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Ossatron vs. surgery

Posted by michael s on 11/01/99 at 00:00 (012250)

John, I had to pay for the procedure as I mentioned, it is not (yet?) covered here.
I wonder if I overstated the pain - for me it was nothing like surgery. NOT AT ALL. Or rather, since I was asleep for the surgery, the post-procedure pain doesn't compare at all - this is much, much easier to take.I went into some detail when I wrote about how the procedure felt because no one else had - and there seem to be a number of people who are coming a long way to have this done, and might want to know what they're in for.
As well, while I took weeks to get back on my feet after my invasive procedures, I walked out of the clinic on Friday. I'm hoping that the ability to stretch the fascia so soon afterward will help this work where surgery did not. That's an idea floating around out there anyway, and it makes some sense to me.
And while I too looked for, and wish someone had, a good medical explanation for how shockwaves work on pf, it obviously didn't stop me from trying - I'm pretty desperate, I guess. As I said I'm doubtful about this working for me, but there are plenty of examples of accidental but wonderful medical discoveries - science loves to lead with theories, but stumbles across little gems all the time.

Re: Ossatron vs. surgery-for michael s

Mohez on 11/01/99 at 00:00 (012252)

Michael

I also had the ossatron done on friday, for my left heel, had the right heel done two weeks ago. Excellent description of the procedure, it was bang on.
Just a question about your surgery, was it the EPF or the more evasive open a lot more and see more type of surgery. Can you please tell me which doctor
did the surgery, was it done in Toronto?

Mohez


Re: Ossatron vs. surgery

john h on 11/02/99 at 00:00 (012262)

michael be sure and keep us posted on your progress on a weekly basis if possible. after my surgery all on left foot (chelictomy,PF release,TTS release) i was back to work on crutches in 7 days, stitches out in 10 days, walking in 12 days, pain was moderate for two days and then minimal. I know we have some great success stories on the ossatron posted here but i want to see more data on a significant number of people before i have a go at my other foot. if this treatment is really painful for some people i would think they would put them under for about 10 minutes. the dentist even do that!

Re: Ossatron vs. surgery

michael s on 11/02/99 at 00:00 (012263)

I will keep everyone posted on my progress. You sound like you got back on your feet pretty quickly, and I hope you are doing well. I have had doctors who do EPF suggest that even as quick a recovery as yours allows too much time for the fascia to stiffen and even re-attach before it can be stretched again. Obviously, though, for some people invasive surgery works.
I dunno about this ten minute knockout thing. Is it possible to throughly knock someone out for so short a time? And the way the Ossatron was done here made it necessary for me to be awake - they concentrated the majority of the shockwaves toward the most inflammed area of my fascia, and they could tell where it was most inflammed by how much I flinched as the waves were moved around my foot.

Re: Ossatron vs. surgery

john h on 11/03/99 at 00:00 (012291)

i sort of wonder about the concept of aiming the ossatron at the place that can produce the 'most' pain. it seems to me the most pain might be produced in the area of a nerve where the actual problem may be somewhere else. nerve pain in particular is frequently referred to a location far removed from where the nerve is being aggravated.

my pf release was done using the 'Baxter Procedure' which was developed by one of the leading Foot and Ankle Surgeons in the U.S. The fascia is not just cut and released from the heel. A very small diamond shape wedge of the fascia over a nerve is removed. Dr. Baxter thinks pressure on this nerve is frequently what we called PF. Usually less than 20% of the fascia is actually released leaving the foot mechanically intact. you can read more about this procedure in the Wheeless Orthopedic Book. This procedure is done only by surgeons and usually ones who are foot and ankle specialist. it cannot be done thru a scope.


Re: Ossatron vs. surgery-for michael s

Mohez on 11/01/99 at 00:00 (012252)

Michael

I also had the ossatron done on friday, for my left heel, had the right heel done two weeks ago. Excellent description of the procedure, it was bang on.
Just a question about your surgery, was it the EPF or the more evasive open a lot more and see more type of surgery. Can you please tell me which doctor
did the surgery, was it done in Toronto?

Mohez


Re: Ossatron vs. surgery

john h on 11/02/99 at 00:00 (012262)

michael be sure and keep us posted on your progress on a weekly basis if possible. after my surgery all on left foot (chelictomy,PF release,TTS release) i was back to work on crutches in 7 days, stitches out in 10 days, walking in 12 days, pain was moderate for two days and then minimal. I know we have some great success stories on the ossatron posted here but i want to see more data on a significant number of people before i have a go at my other foot. if this treatment is really painful for some people i would think they would put them under for about 10 minutes. the dentist even do that!

Re: Ossatron vs. surgery

michael s on 11/02/99 at 00:00 (012263)

I will keep everyone posted on my progress. You sound like you got back on your feet pretty quickly, and I hope you are doing well. I have had doctors who do EPF suggest that even as quick a recovery as yours allows too much time for the fascia to stiffen and even re-attach before it can be stretched again. Obviously, though, for some people invasive surgery works.
I dunno about this ten minute knockout thing. Is it possible to throughly knock someone out for so short a time? And the way the Ossatron was done here made it necessary for me to be awake - they concentrated the majority of the shockwaves toward the most inflammed area of my fascia, and they could tell where it was most inflammed by how much I flinched as the waves were moved around my foot.

Re: Ossatron vs. surgery

john h on 11/03/99 at 00:00 (012291)

i sort of wonder about the concept of aiming the ossatron at the place that can produce the 'most' pain. it seems to me the most pain might be produced in the area of a nerve where the actual problem may be somewhere else. nerve pain in particular is frequently referred to a location far removed from where the nerve is being aggravated.

my pf release was done using the 'Baxter Procedure' which was developed by one of the leading Foot and Ankle Surgeons in the U.S. The fascia is not just cut and released from the heel. A very small diamond shape wedge of the fascia over a nerve is removed. Dr. Baxter thinks pressure on this nerve is frequently what we called PF. Usually less than 20% of the fascia is actually released leaving the foot mechanically intact. you can read more about this procedure in the Wheeless Orthopedic Book. This procedure is done only by surgeons and usually ones who are foot and ankle specialist. it cannot be done thru a scope.