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Posted by Sam on 2/24/00 at 00:00 (016308)

I've been suffering from PF for over a year now. My podiatrist gave me two cortisone shots and a pair of orthotics. I am also having PT done twice a week. So far, I haven't progressed much. Taping has helped, but that's the only thing. I wanted to get some better shoes to see if that would help. Any suggestions on shoes with better cushioning and also are a little wider for orthotics? Any ideas would be much appreciated.

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Sandy K. on 10/06/99 at 00:00 (011543)

Haven't heard of them, but am always saying i want a cloud to walk on. Perhaps some one has 'made' one.

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wendyn on 2/15/00 at 00:00 (015914)

I can relate to the typos. Some of us think about five words ahead of our typing. Don't worry about 'becoming addicted' to this board. I keep coming back because I think the people here are all so interesting - the only common bond is foot pain. If you have to sit around a lot of the time anyway, this really isn't a bad place to pop in.

Forgive my memory - but are you seeing a podiatrist? If so, you may want to get an opinion from a different one, or from someone like an orthapedic surgeon or a sports medicine specialist. It never hurts to make sure that you really have the right diagnosis.

I am no where close to being a medical person - but flaming red, swollen, intensely painful feet as you describe do not sound like your average case of PF.

Your doctor patted you on the head with respect to Ibu and PF because most people with PF really do get better without any problems. Everyone here will keep reminding you that most of us are not 'typical PF' cases. If we were, we would be healed up and outside walking around a lot more, and not spending so much time on our bums in front of the computer.

Your inserts don't sound like they are custom made. Many people report at least some degree of success with custom orthotics. These should be molded from casts taken of your feet. You could probably get them from a sports medicine place or a podiatrist. There are all different ways to make them, and differnt things to make them from and there's pros and cons to each. They may or may not help you - but I don't think the ones you have sound like they are helping you at all. (Try doing a search on this board for orthotics and orthodics - people spell it both ways).

Birkenstocks are a sandal (usually) that seems to be well made for most peoples feet. Again, it's not for eveyone and some people find it aggravates thier condition. Look in your white pages under Birkenstocks and see if you can find a store that specializes in them. Then, do a search on this website and you'll find a bazillion posts about them.

Keep resting and take it easy - but my biggest advice to you would be to get a second opinion - soon (just to be sure). Let us know how yo make out.


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Rick R on 2/15/00 at 00:00 (015917)

I'm curious about your inserts. They have made mine to the shape of my paddle feet. I would actually prefer a little extra lift. When I was a kid my dr had me adapt to a higher arch lift and son of a gun if I didn't help me to form a bit of a real arch. It sounds like yours must be either an attempt to proactively build up the arch or the wrong stinking ones. If you don't have flat feet to begin, with I would be very suspicious.

As I mentioned before(somewhere)I have a strong preferance for running shoes but some clarification may be in order. There are running shoes and then again.... By running shoes it is my intent to refer to good high mileage shoes. The shoes worn for races opposed to those made to train in are not what I'm referring to. What they call and sell as training shoes are not necessarily ment for running at all. It could be that what you read was targeted at the ultra light race oriented ones. Love my Asics. If they aren't the best overall they sure seem to be the best cuishoned and have the best arch support. I'm a bit less satisfied with the sole wear resistance; mine are pretty darned worn after only 500 miles.

Rick


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Nancy S. on 2/15/00 at 00:00 (015925)

Salina, those inserts don't sound right for your feet. You sound like you're having a pretty hard time, and I would think you should have custom orthotics made -- the doctor takes plaster casts of your feet and then sends them to a specialist to have the orthotics made, usually takes a couple of weeks. My orthotics did help some, but Birkenstocks usually feel better to me (I have the Boston style, which has a closed toe, isn't really a sandal, more like a clog). I alternate between the Birks and then the orthotics in a good running shoe (mine is almost like a 'running boot' because I like the support around my ankles). I had a recent setback from trying a bad stretch of the fascia, and right now the orthotics feel better than the Birks. But if I were you, I would get a good pair of custom orthotics made to wear in what feels like a good supportive shoe or boot; and DO at least try the Birks. They aren't for everyone, but an awful lot of people have been helped by them. They are expensive and I don't have a lot of money but they're definitely worth it to me. If you can get fitted in a local store, find out your size and find a style that feels good to you, you can order them through the mail through Scott's link to the Germany Birkenstock site -- they're much cheaper that way, almost half price. Good luck. --Nancy

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Rick R on 2/24/00 at 00:00 (016309)

Sam,

For me running shoes are the best. Of these, Asics gel's are the best I have ever had. Mine actually feel beter without my orthotics.
You will find many people benefit from Birkenstock's. I haven't worn regular hard dress shoes since 6 April 1984. For dress shoes, I have used Rockports with my orthotics. Hope this helps.

Rick


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YvonneC on 2/24/00 at 00:00 (016317)

Sam, I bought a pair of shoes from the walking company http://www.walkingco.com and have found them really good. I also use New Balance sneakers and Dansko Clogs, I have found that I am getting a lot of relief by using these, since I am a PF sufferer for 5 years plus. I also do a lot of icing and massage. I hope this helps, good luck.

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Kim B. on 2/24/00 at 00:00 (016320)

Hi Sam, I can hightly recommend SAS shoes. Look in your Yellow pages and see if there is a SAS shoe store near you. They will properly measure you and help you with selections if you tell them what kind of problems you are having. They have several different styles, and are available is wide widths. Their insoles are removeable, so you can use your orthodicts if you choose.

I was just at one of their stores today and they are allowing me a 14 day walk test (go anywhere, not just on carpet) on what is called their 'Feetime walking shoe' ($79). But I understand that this 'unlimited' walk-test is only offered on the walking shoe, and the lady had to make a special note on my reciept. I also have a pair of SAS's 'Comfy' slip-on clogs in a nubuck finish that I wear mostly around the house and they are fabulous for my feet, but not too pretty too look at. For some people, SAS is too soft, but not for me. They are soft in many ways, but still very supportive.

Personally, Birks are too hard for me.

I have a pair of Teva sport sandles that are wonderful. I highly recommend them too. I got mine at 'Just for Feet'

I have a pair of New Balance Running shoes, they were ok at first, but lately they have been hurting my feet. I also got those at 'Just For Feet.'

Naturalizer are good too me sometimes, if my feet aren't too flaired up. Rockport makes some comfy shoes too.

I like to be able to try the shoes on before I make a purchase. In our cases they are usually expensive shoes, and I hate the idea of having to handle returns via mail, though nothing is out of the question if it helps with my pain.

Good luck, what works for some may not for others, you are just going to have to go on a mission to find what works for you. Don't forget to take thick socks with you too, That is also an important consideration.

I've learned the hard way, that the sooner I minimize the discomfort, the sooner the healing can take place.



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Lucy M on 2/24/00 at 00:00 (016321)

HI. I've been wearing Reebok DMX with my orthotics for over a year now. They have a bunch of air pods in the sole. You feel like you're walking on marshmallows. The insole can be taken out to accomodate orthotics but mine seem to fit even with the insole. I also have a pair of Timberland Mountain Athletics HIking boot that has a good deal of room in them. After my EPF surgery I could even fit my foot with my ankle bandages and orthotics in them comfortably. I've gone on hikes with these and haven't gotten uncomfortable in them yet. They are really lightweight and supportive. I know they make the exact same boot in men's also. Good Luck, Lucy

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Stephanie S. on 2/24/00 at 00:00 (016342)

Okay...I'm really feeling left out today with all the talk. I was
telling Salina earlier...half of this stuff I'm reading...I have no
idea what your talking about. Boy!! Am I a newcomer or what? Okay!!
I'm gonna say it..TTS...I take it is tarsal tunnel syndrome..now
what is this ESG test? (Did I spell that right?) One more thing...
What is SAS shoes?? I've been surfing around looking for Birk's.
Think shoe shopping will be on my agenda tomorrow. I might get brave
and go to the mall.(Am I crazy? Yes!!)Has anyone found foot massagers
or warm soak on feet to help? My husband's good at massaging every
night but sometimes it's as if he makes it worse. Terrible...I admit
it. Still getting use to the idea of shaving in the shower while
wearing shoes. The thought just makes me laugh. But it does make
sense...no hard surfaces on barefeet. Reading the story of the 10yr
old having problems makes me worry. My 9 yr old has been complaining
also. But..I really thought...it's just growing pains...how could she
have trouble with her feet at such an early age. Look's like I should
take her with me to the next doctor appt. Glad you posted. Talk w/you
guys later. Stephanie

Re: Shoes

Sam on 2/25/00 at 00:00 (016370)

Thanks for all of the suggestions. I think I have to do some shopping this weekend.

Re: Shoes

Sandy K. on 10/06/99 at 00:00 (011543)

Haven't heard of them, but am always saying i want a cloud to walk on. Perhaps some one has 'made' one.

Re: Shoes

wendyn on 2/15/00 at 00:00 (015914)

I can relate to the typos. Some of us think about five words ahead of our typing. Don't worry about 'becoming addicted' to this board. I keep coming back because I think the people here are all so interesting - the only common bond is foot pain. If you have to sit around a lot of the time anyway, this really isn't a bad place to pop in.

Forgive my memory - but are you seeing a podiatrist? If so, you may want to get an opinion from a different one, or from someone like an orthapedic surgeon or a sports medicine specialist. It never hurts to make sure that you really have the right diagnosis.

I am no where close to being a medical person - but flaming red, swollen, intensely painful feet as you describe do not sound like your average case of PF.

Your doctor patted you on the head with respect to Ibu and PF because most people with PF really do get better without any problems. Everyone here will keep reminding you that most of us are not 'typical PF' cases. If we were, we would be healed up and outside walking around a lot more, and not spending so much time on our bums in front of the computer.

Your inserts don't sound like they are custom made. Many people report at least some degree of success with custom orthotics. These should be molded from casts taken of your feet. You could probably get them from a sports medicine place or a podiatrist. There are all different ways to make them, and differnt things to make them from and there's pros and cons to each. They may or may not help you - but I don't think the ones you have sound like they are helping you at all. (Try doing a search on this board for orthotics and orthodics - people spell it both ways).

Birkenstocks are a sandal (usually) that seems to be well made for most peoples feet. Again, it's not for eveyone and some people find it aggravates thier condition. Look in your white pages under Birkenstocks and see if you can find a store that specializes in them. Then, do a search on this website and you'll find a bazillion posts about them.

Keep resting and take it easy - but my biggest advice to you would be to get a second opinion - soon (just to be sure). Let us know how yo make out.


Re: Shoes

Rick R on 2/15/00 at 00:00 (015917)

I'm curious about your inserts. They have made mine to the shape of my paddle feet. I would actually prefer a little extra lift. When I was a kid my dr had me adapt to a higher arch lift and son of a gun if I didn't help me to form a bit of a real arch. It sounds like yours must be either an attempt to proactively build up the arch or the wrong stinking ones. If you don't have flat feet to begin, with I would be very suspicious.

As I mentioned before(somewhere)I have a strong preferance for running shoes but some clarification may be in order. There are running shoes and then again.... By running shoes it is my intent to refer to good high mileage shoes. The shoes worn for races opposed to those made to train in are not what I'm referring to. What they call and sell as training shoes are not necessarily ment for running at all. It could be that what you read was targeted at the ultra light race oriented ones. Love my Asics. If they aren't the best overall they sure seem to be the best cuishoned and have the best arch support. I'm a bit less satisfied with the sole wear resistance; mine are pretty darned worn after only 500 miles.

Rick


Re: Shoes

Nancy S. on 2/15/00 at 00:00 (015925)

Salina, those inserts don't sound right for your feet. You sound like you're having a pretty hard time, and I would think you should have custom orthotics made -- the doctor takes plaster casts of your feet and then sends them to a specialist to have the orthotics made, usually takes a couple of weeks. My orthotics did help some, but Birkenstocks usually feel better to me (I have the Boston style, which has a closed toe, isn't really a sandal, more like a clog). I alternate between the Birks and then the orthotics in a good running shoe (mine is almost like a 'running boot' because I like the support around my ankles). I had a recent setback from trying a bad stretch of the fascia, and right now the orthotics feel better than the Birks. But if I were you, I would get a good pair of custom orthotics made to wear in what feels like a good supportive shoe or boot; and DO at least try the Birks. They aren't for everyone, but an awful lot of people have been helped by them. They are expensive and I don't have a lot of money but they're definitely worth it to me. If you can get fitted in a local store, find out your size and find a style that feels good to you, you can order them through the mail through Scott's link to the Germany Birkenstock site -- they're much cheaper that way, almost half price. Good luck. --Nancy

Re: Shoes

Rick R on 2/24/00 at 00:00 (016309)

Sam,

For me running shoes are the best. Of these, Asics gel's are the best I have ever had. Mine actually feel beter without my orthotics.
You will find many people benefit from Birkenstock's. I haven't worn regular hard dress shoes since 6 April 1984. For dress shoes, I have used Rockports with my orthotics. Hope this helps.

Rick


Re: Shoes

YvonneC on 2/24/00 at 00:00 (016317)

Sam, I bought a pair of shoes from the walking company http://www.walkingco.com and have found them really good. I also use New Balance sneakers and Dansko Clogs, I have found that I am getting a lot of relief by using these, since I am a PF sufferer for 5 years plus. I also do a lot of icing and massage. I hope this helps, good luck.

Re: Shoes

Kim B. on 2/24/00 at 00:00 (016320)

Hi Sam, I can hightly recommend SAS shoes. Look in your Yellow pages and see if there is a SAS shoe store near you. They will properly measure you and help you with selections if you tell them what kind of problems you are having. They have several different styles, and are available is wide widths. Their insoles are removeable, so you can use your orthodicts if you choose.

I was just at one of their stores today and they are allowing me a 14 day walk test (go anywhere, not just on carpet) on what is called their 'Feetime walking shoe' ($79). But I understand that this 'unlimited' walk-test is only offered on the walking shoe, and the lady had to make a special note on my reciept. I also have a pair of SAS's 'Comfy' slip-on clogs in a nubuck finish that I wear mostly around the house and they are fabulous for my feet, but not too pretty too look at. For some people, SAS is too soft, but not for me. They are soft in many ways, but still very supportive.

Personally, Birks are too hard for me.

I have a pair of Teva sport sandles that are wonderful. I highly recommend them too. I got mine at 'Just for Feet'

I have a pair of New Balance Running shoes, they were ok at first, but lately they have been hurting my feet. I also got those at 'Just For Feet.'

Naturalizer are good too me sometimes, if my feet aren't too flaired up. Rockport makes some comfy shoes too.

I like to be able to try the shoes on before I make a purchase. In our cases they are usually expensive shoes, and I hate the idea of having to handle returns via mail, though nothing is out of the question if it helps with my pain.

Good luck, what works for some may not for others, you are just going to have to go on a mission to find what works for you. Don't forget to take thick socks with you too, That is also an important consideration.

I've learned the hard way, that the sooner I minimize the discomfort, the sooner the healing can take place.



Re: Shoes

Lucy M on 2/24/00 at 00:00 (016321)

HI. I've been wearing Reebok DMX with my orthotics for over a year now. They have a bunch of air pods in the sole. You feel like you're walking on marshmallows. The insole can be taken out to accomodate orthotics but mine seem to fit even with the insole. I also have a pair of Timberland Mountain Athletics HIking boot that has a good deal of room in them. After my EPF surgery I could even fit my foot with my ankle bandages and orthotics in them comfortably. I've gone on hikes with these and haven't gotten uncomfortable in them yet. They are really lightweight and supportive. I know they make the exact same boot in men's also. Good Luck, Lucy

Re: Shoes

Stephanie S. on 2/24/00 at 00:00 (016342)

Okay...I'm really feeling left out today with all the talk. I was
telling Salina earlier...half of this stuff I'm reading...I have no
idea what your talking about. Boy!! Am I a newcomer or what? Okay!!
I'm gonna say it..TTS...I take it is tarsal tunnel syndrome..now
what is this ESG test? (Did I spell that right?) One more thing...
What is SAS shoes?? I've been surfing around looking for Birk's.
Think shoe shopping will be on my agenda tomorrow. I might get brave
and go to the mall.(Am I crazy? Yes!!)Has anyone found foot massagers
or warm soak on feet to help? My husband's good at massaging every
night but sometimes it's as if he makes it worse. Terrible...I admit
it. Still getting use to the idea of shaving in the shower while
wearing shoes. The thought just makes me laugh. But it does make
sense...no hard surfaces on barefeet. Reading the story of the 10yr
old having problems makes me worry. My 9 yr old has been complaining
also. But..I really thought...it's just growing pains...how could she
have trouble with her feet at such an early age. Look's like I should
take her with me to the next doctor appt. Glad you posted. Talk w/you
guys later. Stephanie

Re: Shoes

Sam on 2/25/00 at 00:00 (016370)

Thanks for all of the suggestions. I think I have to do some shopping this weekend.