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My real name is Jack Farmer

Posted by alan k on 3/02/00 at 00:00 (016731)

Last night I couldn't sleep because I was upset about something so I checked out the board, and found some, let us say, interesting stuff. I don't want to drag this out but because I have been so busy I didn't get to say anything.

First I think a little discussion over important issues is a great thing on the board, and I don't think it is wrong to criticize or especially not wrong to debate the strengths and weakenesses of various treatments. That debate is interesting to me and many others here and also informative for everyone.

Ironically, I couldn't sleep last night because I said the wrong thing at a meeting and really did some damage to my career. I went to the board, like to a blanky, and then found I had been bad here too.

I do disagree though. I know I am not advertising even subtly here except for the one post and maybe aswering questions. I often advocate various treatments and I don't believe I have ever, ever criticized any treatment whatsoever, though I do express anger at my doctors sometimes and a little bitterness over my $400 othotics. I still recommend doctors and orthotics though. I am just trying to figure out the best way to treat myself, and hopefully if I find it I will be able to tell others. I have not found it and so all I ever post is the things I hear other people saying on the board, or things that come out of my theories and speculations and my one person experience. I routinely point out the benefits of various treatments in which I couldn't possibly have any stake. I have recommended Mike's PFT device because it goes with my theories but I also recommend exercise substitutes if you don't have the money. My recent post about a $99.99 foot-propper pillow was a joke.

Anyone who has been here a while has got to be crazy to think I had some diabolical plan. Well, maybe not crazy. We all hear about far worse things that happen because of the internet. But just think about it logically: if this was a set-up couldn't it be done far better? Doesn't my writing indicate an intelligence great enough to know that the best impersonation would be a classic pf sufferer like the majority of market share here, who got no relief from anything until he tried his invention and then got completely healed? In fact I am an atypical sufferer with all kinds of doubtful shades of viral and biotic infection,tts and pn around him who, as someone is fond of pointing out, has not healed himself with his own invention. Instead of knocking other proven treatments, I express longings for the newest pair of booties just like all the others with no money (and I'm not sarcastic about the booties-- I like mine but I don't wear them enough and the 'compliance' pitch made on that website sounds right to me).


Nancy started this with a good point. Every post doesn't have to be about the value of one's product and how every other treatment is wrong. The evidence of the validity of her post is right there in the posts in question and anyone can read it to see for themselves how plainly true what she said is. There is something wrong with the way Mike W posts, but he has shown that he can be educated and trained and brought into our culture. He wants to sell his product and we want to get better, so there is no danger that we can't work this out. I am sorry if there is something wrong with the way I have posted, though I know what's what and know how to reform myself. Some people ought to consider and reflect on their own aggression and ask questions like, 'how often do I make people mad at me, drive others from the board,' etc. It pains me to say this because I really appreciate the posts and have been helped by the posts of some of the people who can get self-righteous and judgemental so easily and seemingly without regrets. Also, I can get that way too but I do regret it (most of all my post about vegetarianism-- what a jerk!)

To Mike W I would say to please be more restrained and appreciative of variety. Your feeling of being attacked at the start says alot about your blind spots. I think I said something like 'darn, this invention is like mine but mine is better though I won't say why.'
That is hardly an attack. You then launched into an attack on me. Please read over your posts and get a sense of what you are saying. Look at your post about nightsplints and see if it isn't a little too aggressive about knocking nightsplints for the sake of your own product and theories. And if you are going to be so single-minded about it, then at least tolerate the responses of others and stop feeling attacked after you go on the attack. The good thing about the board is that in a way it is actually ok if you are going to be such an advocate because there are so many voices here and your enthusiasm can be absorbed by the questions and probing of others. The more 'enthusiastic' you are the more necessary are their responses.

I realize I am in an awkward position now with my product but I am seriously thinking of not doing it now. I don't have a lot of time and I don't stand to make more than pocket change for it. I wanted to do it for the fun of it, and to help people (yes in that order, I have to admit). I am superstitious sometimes so I am always looking for some reason for 'why did I get this pain' as though it was my destiny to make exercise videos or something. If there is still a lot of question about my character (understandable, this is the internet) let me just say that I am a little crazy and if I say or do anything surprising it's just that I get seized by these ideas sometimes and my enthusiasm for doing something fun like this is an escape from career problems no different than my constant crazy search for a cure is an attempt to escape from pain.

I am getting better though, and I always want everyone to know and I always say that I can't say why I am getting better, as I work at many of the therapies I learned about at this board simultaneuosly. I don't even have medical treatment anymore-- this board is it for me. I don't have the time to waste with doctors and I owe every little bit I have gained to this board and maybe a few things I knew before.


alan k

p.s. my name is really alan.


Re: My real name is Jack Farmer

Stephanie S. on 3/02/00 at 00:00 (016733)

Alan K. I think your Wonderful! Stephanie

Re: My real name is Jack Farmer

Nancy S. on 3/02/00 at 00:00 (016735)

Alan, please don't feel in an awkward position re: your product, and I do hope you come out with it. I for one have never doubted your motives in the least -- precisely because in almost every post I've ever read of yours, you try to look at all sides of an issue, and I always see a pleasant mix of intelligence and humility, not to mention wit. I find you to be extremely open to the variety of treatments out there, and when you agree with Mike and what his product does you generously praise it -- even though you may end up in direct competition with him. No way could anyone convince me that you had some diabolical plan or were preparing a set-up. I see you as a seeker whose seeking may result in another product offering. If it does, I am not worried about any advertising you might do for it on this board. I base this no-worry on the record of your posts -- because of them, I believe you would be honest, would not overdo it, and would continue to show the fairness and openness to other treatments that you have repeatedly demonstrated. For the record, I also don't believe Mike had any diabolical plan -- I simply thought that (perhaps unwittingly, I don't know) he was closing the door on approaches and products other than his own. I do appreciate your understanding of my posts about this. I never dreamed they'd cause such a flap. Guess I have IN (Internet Naivete) along with the PF!
I hope your career gets fixed, along with your feet.
--Nancy

Re: My real name is Jack Farmer

Kim B. on 3/02/00 at 00:00 (016742)

Alan, I sincerely appreciate your posts. I find them very helpful to me and always from an intelligent perspective. I'm sorry that the board discussion turned so sour and added to what was already a bad day for you. (Momma said there'd be days like this...) Oh well, yesterday may have gotten you down, but the good news is, now you're due for an upswing!

Regards, Kim B.


Re: My real name is Jack Farmer

Sue S on 3/02/00 at 00:00 (016744)

Alan, what happened to your Foot Monkey? I thought one of your posts stated that it would be produced in a couple of weeks.

Re: My real name is Jack Farmer

Rick R on 3/02/00 at 00:00 (016750)

Alan,

I'm crazy as a loon but not crazy enough to unravel the brilliance of your diabolical plan. If I were to categorize your contribution to my ongoing education it would be in the area of 'non-mechanical' or biological and mental approaches. I, on the other hand, must be a duct tape salesman. I most frequently take the mechanical approach which would be a better tactic for selling your device. Could it be that we are in cahoots?

I for one am grateful to find free thinking that challenges my ideas and assumptions. There would be little point for me to be here just to hear people suggest the same things that I already believe in.

It is only natural for intelligent people that are suffering to apply their mental energy to alleviating their suffering. Combine that situation with a profoundly underserved 'market segment' from the medical community, and there you have it. Has anyone read my description of how I prepare my feet for physical activity? It involves the application and/or assembly of 4 separate elements. Now how stupid would I have to be to not have a tiny glimmer of an idea rattling around in my empty gourd. I could end up unemployed in the not too distant future. If I went down the entrepreneurial path with the 'Ankle Ape' would that mean I have been a 24 carrot phony, using people here for my own gain?

If by chance that were to happen I would, as you have done, let it be known that my status had changed. I would likely feel uncomfortable suggesting the 'Ankle Ape' as often as I have suggested taping to date. I wonder how the number of times I have gone down that path in proportion to my total posts, compares to the ratio of your suggesting your devise relative to your total posts.

I must admit there does seem to be a commercialism that has at times become pervasive. I'm not sure where I think the balance point should be, but I don't think you have crossed the line.

By the way, I have an unrelated question for you. Is there any fossil record of heel spurs suggesting that this problem has been with mankind since prehistory? The thought has crossed my mind many times just what in the blazes would I do without modern materials. Or perhaps would the fact that I wouldn't have ever tried to be a desk jockey by day and athlete by night kept me from this? 'Sorry honey you chase the mastodon my feet hurt.' This is probably more of an archeology question opposed to anthropology but what the heck.

Feel free to email me with bad meeting stories. I have some doozies.

Perhaps this goes in the 'you know you have PF when files', but am I the only one that looks for heel spurs on the skeletal remains when watching the Forensic Dectives on the Discovery channel?

See Ya,

Rick



Re: My real name is Jack Farmer

salina on 3/02/00 at 00:00 (016758)

Hi Alan,
Sounds like you have had a rough day all around. I am sure it will pick up. And it better, because I Want My FootMonkey!. Just joking. I completely understand that there is probably so much involved in doing something like marketing a new product. So if you are not up to it, everyone understands. I am not even up to normal daily activities. But even if you put it off for awhile, if nothing else keep it on the back burner and work on the idea when you have the time. Try to think of the long term process. Your Footmonkey and Mike's PFT really are needed. I was not lying when I said I was upset when I started looking up PF and found NOTHING out there that actually helps to really work on your feet. There are a ton of inserts, pads, comfy shoes, etc. And those darn night splints I hate, but do wear. I think these may help relieve symptoms and may help people from reinjury. People become more aware of what they are doing to their feet. But only AFTER getting PF. But if we don't find a way to get some strength back into our feet to help protect them, we will continue to suffer and alway eventually reinjure ourselves for the rest of our lives. I am not trying to sound doomed, this is just what I truly think will happen. Think about it, when you have an injury, that injured part naturally becomes weaker. I got shin splints while in the Army, I was told to just don't run for a couple of weeks. So that is all I did. They eventually felt better and I was back to running like crazy. But ever since then I have always felt pain in my shins. I will not go through the long history of it, but maybe if my doctor had explained to me that I should rest so they will heal, but then also include a series of exercises to strengthen my shins (I am aware NOW that there are such exercises) and that I should continue to do them on a regular basis because now that they have been injured they will be weaker and more apt to reinjury, then I would have known more of what I could do to help insure this did not keep causing me problems.
I think some doctors really don't get PF either. At least the long term PF, and chronic sufferers. I am positive that if I went back after a month of rest and told my doctor that I was feeling better, no more pain in my feet, he would have just said, great, go about your life. He probably would not let me know that I need to keep my legs and feet elastic and stretch every day, he would not have given me a list of good exercises to do to keep strength in my feet and lower legs to keep this from happening again. I would have walked out of his office just thinking I rested and its over. And still be ignorant.
We need people like Alan and Mike who are taking the initiative to try to find out why this happens to humans in the first place and what we, as patients, can do ourselves to get our feet in shape. We exercise every part of our bodies. Or at least we know that we should be exercising (rather we do it or not is up to us) but we don't exercise our feet. We are not taught to exercise our feet.
But we should be. And maybe with people like Mike and Alan, people will start becoming more aware of the importance of maintaining our feet.
Long term, Alan. I am thinking of when more and more doctors get with the program and start telling their patients about products like these. Think of all the potential PF sufferers that just may not have to suffer as much. Scenario: I feel a pulling, slight twinge in arch area, but still carrying on daily, no problem, just making sure to have comfortable shoes. I go to the doctor and explain this. He tells me I have the 'beginning' stage of PF. He tells me about getting a lot of rest, ice, massage, and gives me a brochure of different stretching and strengthening products that I can purchase, with, of course, detailed descriptions of what, how, and WHY they work. I then have more control over what happens with my feet and my life. I become educated about feet and the need to maintain them. I begin my program of daily exercises and my PF never gets beyond that little twinge. Instead of this fullblown, can't walk at all, extreme pain all day kind of thing. I know everyone's PF did not start this way, so please don't respond about my scenario. But I thought at first that this just happened in all one day, but later started remembering a lot of subtle signs. I am sure some others are like this too. And think of the market out there to sell to athletes and such, to prevent this in the first place. When I was younger, I was exercising every other part of my body, I am sure if someone had said hey, you need to work on those feet too, I would have said Oh yeah, give me that little monkey thing you got. I am not being silly. There are a lot of people that, if they knew they needed to, they would be. With more products out there, people would be more apt to catch on and then the selling prospects would increase.
The PF sufferers are so critical because they have been through so much. Sometimes doctors that don't care, or don't understand PF, insurance that won't pay, no medical care at all, hundreds of dollars blown on orthotics that didn't work, etc. some have been put through the wringer and nothing has helped. It starts to get to you. But I think there is a potentially much larger market than just actual PF sufferers. You know, go for the whole 'Prevention is Everything' theme. jj. But its true. These products have a place in geriatrics maybe and women's and men's health magazines. People need to be educated about this.
OK, I will stop. Have I motivated you yet? Or just irritated.
I just think yall are both on the right track, and the track is a lot broader than just this message board too. I won't continue to bug you about the FootMonkey. Won't mention it again. But remember what I have said. Thank You. salina

Re: My real name is Jack Farmer

Nicole V.R. on 3/02/00 at 00:00 (016792)

Alan, you certainly are on a different level. I would trust your product over similar ones any day because you continue to contribute to the board surrounding all areas, not just to promote your product. In fact, I haven't read about it at all lately, and you certainly don't claim that it has cured or healed you, since you continue to suffer from problems. Not only that, but you have offered advice on how to strengthen the muscles without buying your product, such as pushing on a broom. I find your contributions very informative (not to mention usually hilarious)and hope you will continue to challenge and enlighten us. Hope you feel better soon! (In your feet and your spirits!)

Re: My real name is Jack Farmer

Stephanie S. on 3/02/00 at 00:00 (016733)

Alan K. I think your Wonderful! Stephanie

Re: My real name is Jack Farmer

Nancy S. on 3/02/00 at 00:00 (016735)

Alan, please don't feel in an awkward position re: your product, and I do hope you come out with it. I for one have never doubted your motives in the least -- precisely because in almost every post I've ever read of yours, you try to look at all sides of an issue, and I always see a pleasant mix of intelligence and humility, not to mention wit. I find you to be extremely open to the variety of treatments out there, and when you agree with Mike and what his product does you generously praise it -- even though you may end up in direct competition with him. No way could anyone convince me that you had some diabolical plan or were preparing a set-up. I see you as a seeker whose seeking may result in another product offering. If it does, I am not worried about any advertising you might do for it on this board. I base this no-worry on the record of your posts -- because of them, I believe you would be honest, would not overdo it, and would continue to show the fairness and openness to other treatments that you have repeatedly demonstrated. For the record, I also don't believe Mike had any diabolical plan -- I simply thought that (perhaps unwittingly, I don't know) he was closing the door on approaches and products other than his own. I do appreciate your understanding of my posts about this. I never dreamed they'd cause such a flap. Guess I have IN (Internet Naivete) along with the PF!
I hope your career gets fixed, along with your feet.
--Nancy

Re: My real name is Jack Farmer

Kim B. on 3/02/00 at 00:00 (016742)

Alan, I sincerely appreciate your posts. I find them very helpful to me and always from an intelligent perspective. I'm sorry that the board discussion turned so sour and added to what was already a bad day for you. (Momma said there'd be days like this...) Oh well, yesterday may have gotten you down, but the good news is, now you're due for an upswing!

Regards, Kim B.


Re: My real name is Jack Farmer

Sue S on 3/02/00 at 00:00 (016744)

Alan, what happened to your Foot Monkey? I thought one of your posts stated that it would be produced in a couple of weeks.

Re: My real name is Jack Farmer

Rick R on 3/02/00 at 00:00 (016750)

Alan,

I'm crazy as a loon but not crazy enough to unravel the brilliance of your diabolical plan. If I were to categorize your contribution to my ongoing education it would be in the area of 'non-mechanical' or biological and mental approaches. I, on the other hand, must be a duct tape salesman. I most frequently take the mechanical approach which would be a better tactic for selling your device. Could it be that we are in cahoots?

I for one am grateful to find free thinking that challenges my ideas and assumptions. There would be little point for me to be here just to hear people suggest the same things that I already believe in.

It is only natural for intelligent people that are suffering to apply their mental energy to alleviating their suffering. Combine that situation with a profoundly underserved 'market segment' from the medical community, and there you have it. Has anyone read my description of how I prepare my feet for physical activity? It involves the application and/or assembly of 4 separate elements. Now how stupid would I have to be to not have a tiny glimmer of an idea rattling around in my empty gourd. I could end up unemployed in the not too distant future. If I went down the entrepreneurial path with the 'Ankle Ape' would that mean I have been a 24 carrot phony, using people here for my own gain?

If by chance that were to happen I would, as you have done, let it be known that my status had changed. I would likely feel uncomfortable suggesting the 'Ankle Ape' as often as I have suggested taping to date. I wonder how the number of times I have gone down that path in proportion to my total posts, compares to the ratio of your suggesting your devise relative to your total posts.

I must admit there does seem to be a commercialism that has at times become pervasive. I'm not sure where I think the balance point should be, but I don't think you have crossed the line.

By the way, I have an unrelated question for you. Is there any fossil record of heel spurs suggesting that this problem has been with mankind since prehistory? The thought has crossed my mind many times just what in the blazes would I do without modern materials. Or perhaps would the fact that I wouldn't have ever tried to be a desk jockey by day and athlete by night kept me from this? 'Sorry honey you chase the mastodon my feet hurt.' This is probably more of an archeology question opposed to anthropology but what the heck.

Feel free to email me with bad meeting stories. I have some doozies.

Perhaps this goes in the 'you know you have PF when files', but am I the only one that looks for heel spurs on the skeletal remains when watching the Forensic Dectives on the Discovery channel?

See Ya,

Rick



Re: My real name is Jack Farmer

salina on 3/02/00 at 00:00 (016758)

Hi Alan,
Sounds like you have had a rough day all around. I am sure it will pick up. And it better, because I Want My FootMonkey!. Just joking. I completely understand that there is probably so much involved in doing something like marketing a new product. So if you are not up to it, everyone understands. I am not even up to normal daily activities. But even if you put it off for awhile, if nothing else keep it on the back burner and work on the idea when you have the time. Try to think of the long term process. Your Footmonkey and Mike's PFT really are needed. I was not lying when I said I was upset when I started looking up PF and found NOTHING out there that actually helps to really work on your feet. There are a ton of inserts, pads, comfy shoes, etc. And those darn night splints I hate, but do wear. I think these may help relieve symptoms and may help people from reinjury. People become more aware of what they are doing to their feet. But only AFTER getting PF. But if we don't find a way to get some strength back into our feet to help protect them, we will continue to suffer and alway eventually reinjure ourselves for the rest of our lives. I am not trying to sound doomed, this is just what I truly think will happen. Think about it, when you have an injury, that injured part naturally becomes weaker. I got shin splints while in the Army, I was told to just don't run for a couple of weeks. So that is all I did. They eventually felt better and I was back to running like crazy. But ever since then I have always felt pain in my shins. I will not go through the long history of it, but maybe if my doctor had explained to me that I should rest so they will heal, but then also include a series of exercises to strengthen my shins (I am aware NOW that there are such exercises) and that I should continue to do them on a regular basis because now that they have been injured they will be weaker and more apt to reinjury, then I would have known more of what I could do to help insure this did not keep causing me problems.
I think some doctors really don't get PF either. At least the long term PF, and chronic sufferers. I am positive that if I went back after a month of rest and told my doctor that I was feeling better, no more pain in my feet, he would have just said, great, go about your life. He probably would not let me know that I need to keep my legs and feet elastic and stretch every day, he would not have given me a list of good exercises to do to keep strength in my feet and lower legs to keep this from happening again. I would have walked out of his office just thinking I rested and its over. And still be ignorant.
We need people like Alan and Mike who are taking the initiative to try to find out why this happens to humans in the first place and what we, as patients, can do ourselves to get our feet in shape. We exercise every part of our bodies. Or at least we know that we should be exercising (rather we do it or not is up to us) but we don't exercise our feet. We are not taught to exercise our feet.
But we should be. And maybe with people like Mike and Alan, people will start becoming more aware of the importance of maintaining our feet.
Long term, Alan. I am thinking of when more and more doctors get with the program and start telling their patients about products like these. Think of all the potential PF sufferers that just may not have to suffer as much. Scenario: I feel a pulling, slight twinge in arch area, but still carrying on daily, no problem, just making sure to have comfortable shoes. I go to the doctor and explain this. He tells me I have the 'beginning' stage of PF. He tells me about getting a lot of rest, ice, massage, and gives me a brochure of different stretching and strengthening products that I can purchase, with, of course, detailed descriptions of what, how, and WHY they work. I then have more control over what happens with my feet and my life. I become educated about feet and the need to maintain them. I begin my program of daily exercises and my PF never gets beyond that little twinge. Instead of this fullblown, can't walk at all, extreme pain all day kind of thing. I know everyone's PF did not start this way, so please don't respond about my scenario. But I thought at first that this just happened in all one day, but later started remembering a lot of subtle signs. I am sure some others are like this too. And think of the market out there to sell to athletes and such, to prevent this in the first place. When I was younger, I was exercising every other part of my body, I am sure if someone had said hey, you need to work on those feet too, I would have said Oh yeah, give me that little monkey thing you got. I am not being silly. There are a lot of people that, if they knew they needed to, they would be. With more products out there, people would be more apt to catch on and then the selling prospects would increase.
The PF sufferers are so critical because they have been through so much. Sometimes doctors that don't care, or don't understand PF, insurance that won't pay, no medical care at all, hundreds of dollars blown on orthotics that didn't work, etc. some have been put through the wringer and nothing has helped. It starts to get to you. But I think there is a potentially much larger market than just actual PF sufferers. You know, go for the whole 'Prevention is Everything' theme. jj. But its true. These products have a place in geriatrics maybe and women's and men's health magazines. People need to be educated about this.
OK, I will stop. Have I motivated you yet? Or just irritated.
I just think yall are both on the right track, and the track is a lot broader than just this message board too. I won't continue to bug you about the FootMonkey. Won't mention it again. But remember what I have said. Thank You. salina

Re: My real name is Jack Farmer

Nicole V.R. on 3/02/00 at 00:00 (016792)

Alan, you certainly are on a different level. I would trust your product over similar ones any day because you continue to contribute to the board surrounding all areas, not just to promote your product. In fact, I haven't read about it at all lately, and you certainly don't claim that it has cured or healed you, since you continue to suffer from problems. Not only that, but you have offered advice on how to strengthen the muscles without buying your product, such as pushing on a broom. I find your contributions very informative (not to mention usually hilarious)and hope you will continue to challenge and enlighten us. Hope you feel better soon! (In your feet and your spirits!)