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Downer -- I'm discouraged but trying to get out of the pit

Posted by Nancy S. on 7/25/00 at 09:42 (023882)

Ugh, I hate to post in this frame of mind, but I feel desperate today, so please forgive me. Hi everyone! I think something odd is happening here.

One-sentence summary, for anyone who doesn't know my story (sorry for the repeat, for you poor souls who do!): PF for 14+ months; took a 3-month rest in the winter, which helped the PF a lot and during which I tried to avoid further problems by swimming and stretch/massage but the latter was inconsistent because they sometimes felt like either setbacks or on-the-verge-of-setbacks; developed achilles tendonitis and ankle swelling and pain and am now getting physical therapy for this.

This morning I feel like I don't know what -- throwing up. At PT yesterday the massage on my ankles was Extremely painful. The therapist told me after that and the iontophoresis (which is not painful) that my achilles tendons seem to be responding some to the therapy and the program I'm following at home. But my ankles -- they're not responding. She said she thinks the swelling is fluid, not tissue swelling per se. She also said she doesn't want to say for sure that it's not related to AT, but she is suspecting it might be a separate problem, and that I should see a doctor (specialist) for this. I've lost my old PCP due to loss of hmo insurance, so this means signing on with a new PCP who I guess would then refer me to someone, unless the new PCP turns out to be a foot genius.

Does the ankle thing sound to you guys like a third problem, separate from PF and AT? I feel like my feet are falling apart here and this morning I feel crazy from it. Like all this is just the beginning of a forever downhill slide. I'm not in TERRIBLE pain -- I hardly notice the PF anymore (a little bit), the a. tendons are in medium condition, but my ankles feel so sore and weak and inflamed and swollen -- you can definitely see the swelling, these weird pouchy patches all around them, but it feels more uncomfortable from the inside, if this makes any sense.

I believe in so many things I can't feel today: positive thinking, relaxation, grace in the face of adversity, patience. I'm embarrassed to admit this, but I'm getting so I'm afraid to leave home. I don't know why this is. Possibly hard to be around people who aren't going through this; fear of being away from the ability to ice or to elevate my feet; inertia?; fear of making anything worse and not being at home to try to tak3e care of it somehow. This seems so pathetic! Maybe the one pain after the other is drilling holes in my brain! But 14+ months is much less time than some of you have dealt with this kind of stuff -- for just one example, Judy, you sound so up at all times and have had PF for two years!

I have so many things to do and am afraid to do any of them now. Today. I guess I'm a bit emotionally paralyzed or something.

Ok, I laugh at all kinds of stuff, but in my whole life I've learned only one non-accidental joke that stuck with me. It's probably not pc, but here it is, with answer below my name:

What do you call a clairvoyant dwarf who has escaped from prison?

Thank you so much for listening, I hope you all are having a bettter day.

--Nancy
Answer: A small medium at large.


Re: Downer -- I'm discouraged but trying to get out of the pit

john a on 7/25/00 at 10:21 (023886)

Sorry for your pain. I have no medical advice, but do recommend a song: 'Better Things', by Dar Williams from her 'End of the Summer' CD. Simply beautiful. Tearfully upbeat, if you know what I mean. Her 'The Honesty Room' and 'Mortal City' CDs are also superlative.

Re: Downer -- I'm discouraged but trying to get out of the pit

john h on 7/25/00 at 10:29 (023887)

nancy: i would lay of the massage on the tendons and ankles for a while to allow for some rest. apply the ice with some compression if possible. i really do feel your pain as i posted about setbacks yesterday. swelling of the foot and ankle are a very commom problem and can be caused by a variety of things. see your doc and hang tough.

Re: Downer -- I'm discouraged but trying to get out of the pit

Laurie R on 7/25/00 at 11:13 (023890)

Hi Nancy,
I am so sorry you are so down.I sure know what that feels like.Nancy it is so normal to get depressed over all this foot stuff.I have been so up and down since this all started with my foot 1 year ago.

You will get better ,remenber you just started PT and it does take time.

We all have been in the pit.You came to the right place today to say how you are feeling.Remenber my set back a few weeks ago when I was in so much pain? This was the first place I turned to,and all of you made me feel so much better.

You will get out of the pit,things will get better.I know it is so hard to stay positive when you are down ,for now I will be positive for you just like when you were for me.

I would think your ankle swelling is due to your AT and PF ,my right foot and ankle also swells sometimes (Thats the bad foot).Does the swelling go down with ice?

Nancy hang in there we are so here for you.Your Friend ,Laurie R


Re: Downer -- I'm discouraged but trying to get out of the pit

Beverly on 7/25/00 at 11:56 (023895)

Nancy,

Hang in there! I agree that you should have the doc check you out. There are so many things that can cause ankle swelling. I doubt even a doctor would try to guess it without being able to see your ankles.

I can relate to your doom and gloom. I felt that way this weekend realizing I'd felt so much better for a few days. and then I stayed on my feet too long & BOOM... backyards I go. I'm still recouping from that. It seems that we all take a few steps forward and then some backwards. That is frustrating beyond words. Yet, I hear one very encouraging thing in your post. Your PF is much better... not bothering you much. That is progress! The AT is still a new injury, and reaping the benefits of physical therapy takes time.

I have learned to be very vocal when anyone massages deeper on my foot than I feel comfortable.

If you want to speed up getting into see a doctor, perhaps your physical therapist could place the phone call. Medical people seem to pay more attention to other medical people.

I think you need a mental diversion. How about an old movie or a favorite book? If you want pure escape I highly reccomend the Harry Potter series. They are not just for kids... really a very sophisticated fantasy series. If you liked Alice and Wonderland, Tolkein, or The Chronicles of Narnia as a kid, you would love Harry Potter. Harry takes my mind off of everything. If you try them, it's important to begin with the first book in the series so you'll understand the story.

Good luck,
Beverly


Re: Downer -- I'm discouraged but trying to get out of the pit

Rock on 7/25/00 at 12:30 (023897)

Nancy S,

What are you doing to enhance the blood circulation around your achilles ?

Rock.


Re: Downer -- I'm discouraged but trying to get out of the pit

JudyS on 7/25/00 at 13:47 (023905)

Nancy Nancy Nancy - Hard to cut through all those grey, cotton-candy clouds, isn't it? There's just more inside! Simplify those thoughts. One - it's WAY likely that yesterday's massage caused today's swelling. Two - you've been off those feet so much these last six months that it's going to take time to strengthen them again and, like any unused muscle, at first there'll be soreness - in seemingly odd places! You know how occasionally you wake up with a sore muscle somewhere and can't remember what activity you did that would have created that soreness? Same thing.
And then it seems like you have NO CONTROL OVER ANYTHING in your life?
Well, from my perspective, it's amazing what the teeniest amount of control will do for one's soul, so.....
1. Identify and do 2 easy tasks
2. Ice those tootsies
3. Have wine with lunch
4. Do 1 easier task
5. Indulge in.....something
That's my prescription for what it's worth!
BTW, about my moods.....last Friday I was at an all-time low by 5:00 PM (which, as it happens, was when my hubby got home....poor guy!), my feet hurt, the weight is still screaming at me, the temp was 100, the ibuprofen was slowing me down and there were 6,492 tasks to be done. I was curled up in my easy chair doing a FINE job of feeling sorry for myself when my darlin' man innocently asked what was wrong.......I'll bet all you wives and husbands alike know what transpired at that point!

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Helene M on 7/25/00 at 15:31 (023917)

Hi Nancy. I always enjoy reading your posts because of your humor & the way you always try to help & encourage others on this board. So I'm sorry to hear you are so down today. Try laying off the ankle massage for a while. Perhaps it's just a bit too much for you right now. I may not be a typical case, but I do know that PT, including massage, made me worse. As much as I wanted to believe that PT would help me, I had to realize that it was too aggressive for my condition at the time & I stopped.

Re: Downer -- I'm discouraged but trying to get out of the pit

Steve P on 7/25/00 at 15:44 (023918)

Nancy ---- Maybe you should ask your therapist to skip the ankle massage for the time being & also eliminate the part(s) of your home program that hurt your ankles. The idea would be to retain the modes of therapy that are benefitting your PF & AT, while at the same time discontinuing those that could be harmful. ???
Perhaps easier said than done.....but might be worth a try.
Good luck & hang tough!

Steve in Merry Land
(that's next to Dela-Where?)


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Bjc on 7/25/00 at 16:44 (023924)

Nancy, I'm so sorry this is a bad time for you. I guess this is a syndrome that will always have its good days and bad. After shopping today (6 hours - I shouldn't complain!), my feet hurt, but not the usual PF pain. I thought back to when this started, and think the culprit is my Reebok DMX that I thought were so comfy. Am trying other shoes. All we can do is try to find what works, and try, and try, and try! I even yelled at my husband - poor thing didn't know what hit him! At least we have the board to vent on, and get some encouragement. I'll be thinking of you.

Re: Downer -- I'm discouraged but trying to get out of the pit

wendyn on 7/25/00 at 18:06 (023934)

I like your joke Nancy.

I would email you - but I am temporarily with out home email (feel like I've lost my left arm!) I will post my new email as soon as I get it organized. New email is about number 852 of the top 1000 things I have to do 'right this minute'.


I'm sorry to hear things are not going so great for you, but I'm glad that your PT is being honest about what she sees. Because you don't have an 'HMO' does this mean you will be out major bucks for a new doctor? No wonder you have stress!

I am not really surprised that you're having trouble going out. You essentially 'have lost control' of what's happening with your body and your life. For anyone with any type of issues relating to control or anxiety - a chronic medical problem is not going to help in any way.

When my pain was at it's worst I had trouble doing even small things. Every thing was so hard and just took too much energy. I hated going anywhere, my biggest fear was that I might find myself forced to stand in line with no where to sit. Sounds like a strange thing to be afraid of - but I was. Or, what if I was out and I just couldn't walk any farther - would I sit down and cry until someone helped me?

Also, my self esteem took a real kicking and I found it extremley difficult to assert myself with anyone - especially doctors. This despite the fact that you'd be hard pressed to find anyone that would describe me as 'unassertive' normally. I would be more likely classified as 'perpetually difficult' or 'stubborn and opinionated'. Ask my boss. Or my husband. Or my kids for that matter. ANYWAY....for a period of time I just didn't feel like I could cope or deal with conflict. I even had to make up an excuse to get out of the pods office without the cortisone shot, there was just no way I could say 'no'.

I think it's good for you to see a medical doctor - cost or no cost you have to find out what's going on. Try to take care of yourself well in the mean time and tackle those little things that someone else mentioned. I know it's easier said than done. Keep in touch and know that you're not going crazy - there are lots of us that have felt this way.

Wendy


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Robin B. on 7/26/00 at 04:45 (023969)

Nancy -- so sorry to hear of your set-back. I think the emotional pain and set-backs of PF are just as debilitating as the physical pain itself. Keeping up an attitude that isn't depressed, angry, suicidal or isolationist is one of the hardest parts.

If it were me with ankles swelling, I (like several have suggested here) would lay low on the massage for awhile and see if there is a difference. I would also get myself to a doctor and would consider a rheumatologist (probably not spelled right). Fluid retention and swelling in joints is a sign of possible arthritis. I have it in both my hands and feet, and sometimes if I have foot pain I must work to distinguish arthritis from PF.

It's a simple blood test -- nothing major -- and maybe an Xray or two. I would have it tested because, even though I know you don't want to have anything additional wrong, it's always better to know what you're dealing with.

Hang in there, friend. Despite the problems and set-backs, you are still making progress toward the finish line.


Re: back in the "up" direction

Nancy S. on 7/26/00 at 06:46 (023975)

Thank you, all of you, for all the tips, advice, ideas, humors, understanding, and personal stories in response to my extra bad day. You all helped immeasurably, believe me!
I then went to bed early and knocked myself out (ahhh!), and this morning I woke up to some light (including your post today, Robin).
The 'loss of control' issue is a biggie, and it helped the emotional pain of it to see it in words yesterday.
I will see a doctor, and in the meantime I will lay off ankle massage at physical therapy.
The posts elsewhere on the board from last night, which I just read this morning, were also very interesting reading . . . Dr. Zuckerman, I too applaud your lenience with your patients-in-pain, you sound human and humane and that counts a lot.
Today I will try to do some work in the barn, have lunch with my dad, and look for laughter. (Already found some -- one of the cats likes to put pens and other goodies under our rugs, and this morning she put a very small bug under a rug and right now is pretending she can see it hopping around under there and is pouncing on it all over the place. The bug, in reality, is not moving. What imagination.)
Tonight I have a date with my husband at 5:30 to do Buddhist meditation. He's only been trying to get me back to this for over a year!
Thanks again all, and I hope everyone has an interesting and in other ways a good day.
--Nancy

Re: Downer -- I'm discouraged but trying to get out of the pit

Terry on 7/26/00 at 09:13 (023981)

Nancy - I looked in my DK American College of Physicians Complete Home Medical Guide and there really are so many things that can cause swollen ankles, from a side effect of a drug to pseudogout to a muscle strain. Try not to worry too much and see a doctor when you can. Take care, Terry

Re: Downer -- I'm discouraged but trying to get out of the pit

Nancy S. on 7/26/00 at 09:44 (023983)

Terry, thank you! That was good of you to look it up. I will try not to worry between now and doctor appt. (I guess one doesn't die from swollen ankles, eh?) From your list, I most likely have muscle strain from walking funny for over a year. I mean I limped extremely for many months. Wendy says she walks like a duck. Since AT and these ankles, I think I walk like a platypus. --Nancy

Re: Downer -- I'm discouraged but trying to get out of the pit

JudyS on 7/26/00 at 09:49 (023984)

Not true Nancy - you walk like a Queen and move like a swan......

Re: Downer -- I'm discouraged but trying to get out of the pit

Nancy S. on 7/26/00 at 09:53 (023986)

Bless your heart, Judy! Had too much wine on your Cheerios this morning?

Re: Downer -- I'm discouraged but trying to get out of the pit

JudyS on 7/26/00 at 10:07 (023991)

well.......the wine on the Cheerios wouldn't be so tasty, I think! So I'll save it for dinner when my feet will really need it!

Re: Downer -- I'm discouraged but trying to get out of the pit

john a on 7/25/00 at 10:21 (023886)

Sorry for your pain. I have no medical advice, but do recommend a song: 'Better Things', by Dar Williams from her 'End of the Summer' CD. Simply beautiful. Tearfully upbeat, if you know what I mean. Her 'The Honesty Room' and 'Mortal City' CDs are also superlative.

Re: Downer -- I'm discouraged but trying to get out of the pit

john h on 7/25/00 at 10:29 (023887)

nancy: i would lay of the massage on the tendons and ankles for a while to allow for some rest. apply the ice with some compression if possible. i really do feel your pain as i posted about setbacks yesterday. swelling of the foot and ankle are a very commom problem and can be caused by a variety of things. see your doc and hang tough.

Re: Downer -- I'm discouraged but trying to get out of the pit

Laurie R on 7/25/00 at 11:13 (023890)

Hi Nancy,
I am so sorry you are so down.I sure know what that feels like.Nancy it is so normal to get depressed over all this foot stuff.I have been so up and down since this all started with my foot 1 year ago.

You will get better ,remenber you just started PT and it does take time.

We all have been in the pit.You came to the right place today to say how you are feeling.Remenber my set back a few weeks ago when I was in so much pain? This was the first place I turned to,and all of you made me feel so much better.

You will get out of the pit,things will get better.I know it is so hard to stay positive when you are down ,for now I will be positive for you just like when you were for me.

I would think your ankle swelling is due to your AT and PF ,my right foot and ankle also swells sometimes (Thats the bad foot).Does the swelling go down with ice?

Nancy hang in there we are so here for you.Your Friend ,Laurie R


Re: Downer -- I'm discouraged but trying to get out of the pit

Beverly on 7/25/00 at 11:56 (023895)

Nancy,

Hang in there! I agree that you should have the doc check you out. There are so many things that can cause ankle swelling. I doubt even a doctor would try to guess it without being able to see your ankles.

I can relate to your doom and gloom. I felt that way this weekend realizing I'd felt so much better for a few days. and then I stayed on my feet too long & BOOM... backyards I go. I'm still recouping from that. It seems that we all take a few steps forward and then some backwards. That is frustrating beyond words. Yet, I hear one very encouraging thing in your post. Your PF is much better... not bothering you much. That is progress! The AT is still a new injury, and reaping the benefits of physical therapy takes time.

I have learned to be very vocal when anyone massages deeper on my foot than I feel comfortable.

If you want to speed up getting into see a doctor, perhaps your physical therapist could place the phone call. Medical people seem to pay more attention to other medical people.

I think you need a mental diversion. How about an old movie or a favorite book? If you want pure escape I highly reccomend the Harry Potter series. They are not just for kids... really a very sophisticated fantasy series. If you liked Alice and Wonderland, Tolkein, or The Chronicles of Narnia as a kid, you would love Harry Potter. Harry takes my mind off of everything. If you try them, it's important to begin with the first book in the series so you'll understand the story.

Good luck,
Beverly


Re: Downer -- I'm discouraged but trying to get out of the pit

Rock on 7/25/00 at 12:30 (023897)

Nancy S,

What are you doing to enhance the blood circulation around your achilles ?

Rock.


Re: Downer -- I'm discouraged but trying to get out of the pit

JudyS on 7/25/00 at 13:47 (023905)

Nancy Nancy Nancy - Hard to cut through all those grey, cotton-candy clouds, isn't it? There's just more inside! Simplify those thoughts. One - it's WAY likely that yesterday's massage caused today's swelling. Two - you've been off those feet so much these last six months that it's going to take time to strengthen them again and, like any unused muscle, at first there'll be soreness - in seemingly odd places! You know how occasionally you wake up with a sore muscle somewhere and can't remember what activity you did that would have created that soreness? Same thing.
And then it seems like you have NO CONTROL OVER ANYTHING in your life?
Well, from my perspective, it's amazing what the teeniest amount of control will do for one's soul, so.....
1. Identify and do 2 easy tasks
2. Ice those tootsies
3. Have wine with lunch
4. Do 1 easier task
5. Indulge in.....something
That's my prescription for what it's worth!
BTW, about my moods.....last Friday I was at an all-time low by 5:00 PM (which, as it happens, was when my hubby got home....poor guy!), my feet hurt, the weight is still screaming at me, the temp was 100, the ibuprofen was slowing me down and there were 6,492 tasks to be done. I was curled up in my easy chair doing a FINE job of feeling sorry for myself when my darlin' man innocently asked what was wrong.......I'll bet all you wives and husbands alike know what transpired at that point!

Re: Downer -- I'm discouraged but trying to get out of the pit

Helene M on 7/25/00 at 15:31 (023917)

Hi Nancy. I always enjoy reading your posts because of your humor & the way you always try to help & encourage others on this board. So I'm sorry to hear you are so down today. Try laying off the ankle massage for a while. Perhaps it's just a bit too much for you right now. I may not be a typical case, but I do know that PT, including massage, made me worse. As much as I wanted to believe that PT would help me, I had to realize that it was too aggressive for my condition at the time & I stopped.

Re: Downer -- I'm discouraged but trying to get out of the pit

Steve P on 7/25/00 at 15:44 (023918)

Nancy ---- Maybe you should ask your therapist to skip the ankle massage for the time being & also eliminate the part(s) of your home program that hurt your ankles. The idea would be to retain the modes of therapy that are benefitting your PF & AT, while at the same time discontinuing those that could be harmful. ???
Perhaps easier said than done.....but might be worth a try.
Good luck & hang tough!

Steve in Merry Land
(that's next to Dela-Where?)


Re: Downer -- I'm discouraged but trying to get out of the pit

Bjc on 7/25/00 at 16:44 (023924)

Nancy, I'm so sorry this is a bad time for you. I guess this is a syndrome that will always have its good days and bad. After shopping today (6 hours - I shouldn't complain!), my feet hurt, but not the usual PF pain. I thought back to when this started, and think the culprit is my Reebok DMX that I thought were so comfy. Am trying other shoes. All we can do is try to find what works, and try, and try, and try! I even yelled at my husband - poor thing didn't know what hit him! At least we have the board to vent on, and get some encouragement. I'll be thinking of you.

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wendyn on 7/25/00 at 18:06 (023934)

I like your joke Nancy.

I would email you - but I am temporarily with out home email (feel like I've lost my left arm!) I will post my new email as soon as I get it organized. New email is about number 852 of the top 1000 things I have to do 'right this minute'.


I'm sorry to hear things are not going so great for you, but I'm glad that your PT is being honest about what she sees. Because you don't have an 'HMO' does this mean you will be out major bucks for a new doctor? No wonder you have stress!

I am not really surprised that you're having trouble going out. You essentially 'have lost control' of what's happening with your body and your life. For anyone with any type of issues relating to control or anxiety - a chronic medical problem is not going to help in any way.

When my pain was at it's worst I had trouble doing even small things. Every thing was so hard and just took too much energy. I hated going anywhere, my biggest fear was that I might find myself forced to stand in line with no where to sit. Sounds like a strange thing to be afraid of - but I was. Or, what if I was out and I just couldn't walk any farther - would I sit down and cry until someone helped me?

Also, my self esteem took a real kicking and I found it extremley difficult to assert myself with anyone - especially doctors. This despite the fact that you'd be hard pressed to find anyone that would describe me as 'unassertive' normally. I would be more likely classified as 'perpetually difficult' or 'stubborn and opinionated'. Ask my boss. Or my husband. Or my kids for that matter. ANYWAY....for a period of time I just didn't feel like I could cope or deal with conflict. I even had to make up an excuse to get out of the pods office without the cortisone shot, there was just no way I could say 'no'.

I think it's good for you to see a medical doctor - cost or no cost you have to find out what's going on. Try to take care of yourself well in the mean time and tackle those little things that someone else mentioned. I know it's easier said than done. Keep in touch and know that you're not going crazy - there are lots of us that have felt this way.

Wendy


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Robin B. on 7/26/00 at 04:45 (023969)

Nancy -- so sorry to hear of your set-back. I think the emotional pain and set-backs of PF are just as debilitating as the physical pain itself. Keeping up an attitude that isn't depressed, angry, suicidal or isolationist is one of the hardest parts.

If it were me with ankles swelling, I (like several have suggested here) would lay low on the massage for awhile and see if there is a difference. I would also get myself to a doctor and would consider a rheumatologist (probably not spelled right). Fluid retention and swelling in joints is a sign of possible arthritis. I have it in both my hands and feet, and sometimes if I have foot pain I must work to distinguish arthritis from PF.

It's a simple blood test -- nothing major -- and maybe an Xray or two. I would have it tested because, even though I know you don't want to have anything additional wrong, it's always better to know what you're dealing with.

Hang in there, friend. Despite the problems and set-backs, you are still making progress toward the finish line.


Re: back in the "up" direction

Nancy S. on 7/26/00 at 06:46 (023975)

Thank you, all of you, for all the tips, advice, ideas, humors, understanding, and personal stories in response to my extra bad day. You all helped immeasurably, believe me!
I then went to bed early and knocked myself out (ahhh!), and this morning I woke up to some light (including your post today, Robin).
The 'loss of control' issue is a biggie, and it helped the emotional pain of it to see it in words yesterday.
I will see a doctor, and in the meantime I will lay off ankle massage at physical therapy.
The posts elsewhere on the board from last night, which I just read this morning, were also very interesting reading . . . Dr. Zuckerman, I too applaud your lenience with your patients-in-pain, you sound human and humane and that counts a lot.
Today I will try to do some work in the barn, have lunch with my dad, and look for laughter. (Already found some -- one of the cats likes to put pens and other goodies under our rugs, and this morning she put a very small bug under a rug and right now is pretending she can see it hopping around under there and is pouncing on it all over the place. The bug, in reality, is not moving. What imagination.)
Tonight I have a date with my husband at 5:30 to do Buddhist meditation. He's only been trying to get me back to this for over a year!
Thanks again all, and I hope everyone has an interesting and in other ways a good day.
--Nancy

Re: Downer -- I'm discouraged but trying to get out of the pit

Terry on 7/26/00 at 09:13 (023981)

Nancy - I looked in my DK American College of Physicians Complete Home Medical Guide and there really are so many things that can cause swollen ankles, from a side effect of a drug to pseudogout to a muscle strain. Try not to worry too much and see a doctor when you can. Take care, Terry

Re: Downer -- I'm discouraged but trying to get out of the pit

Nancy S. on 7/26/00 at 09:44 (023983)

Terry, thank you! That was good of you to look it up. I will try not to worry between now and doctor appt. (I guess one doesn't die from swollen ankles, eh?) From your list, I most likely have muscle strain from walking funny for over a year. I mean I limped extremely for many months. Wendy says she walks like a duck. Since AT and these ankles, I think I walk like a platypus. --Nancy

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JudyS on 7/26/00 at 09:49 (023984)

Not true Nancy - you walk like a Queen and move like a swan......

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Nancy S. on 7/26/00 at 09:53 (023986)

Bless your heart, Judy! Had too much wine on your Cheerios this morning?

Re: Downer -- I'm discouraged but trying to get out of the pit

JudyS on 7/26/00 at 10:07 (023991)

well.......the wine on the Cheerios wouldn't be so tasty, I think! So I'll save it for dinner when my feet will really need it!