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Posted by wendyn on 8/15/00 at 18:35 (025516)

A while ago someone posted that they have never had any relief from conservative PF treatments (like ice taping or injection). This started me thinking - is that common? I know that I always had some relief from conservative treatments - not always enough but a little bit at least for a little while. What's your experience typical PF sufferers? Did taping, icing, ibuprofen, orthotics - any of them help a little - for a little while? What do you think about this?

Re: Conservative treatments

Nancy S. on 8/15/00 at 19:08 (025519)

Good question, Wendy.

Conservative treatments that have definitely helped my PF: rest, Birks, ice, diet changes.

Conservative treatments that I think may have helped: bromelain, very gentle stretching.

Conservative treatments that did nothing: cortisone injection, ibuprofen, and the 'diversion' of allowing myself to get depressed!

Nancy


Re: Conservative treatments

john h on 8/15/00 at 19:49 (025521)

treaments that always help a little at least: ice,rest,birks

treatments that helped a lot for a short while: shots

treaments that sometimes help and sometimes actually make it worse: massage

treatments that have not helped: orthotics, medication, stretching

sometimes it just gets worse or better for no apparent reason.


Re: Conservative treatments

alan k on 8/15/00 at 20:06 (025525)

Sometimes people in the first few months will feel there is no progress because not enough time has passed to notice, plus we get frustrated. I was certainly saying nothing was working for a while past the time when, looking back now, I was starting to make progress.

conservative treatments that helped me:

1. birks had the fastest effect-- a few days

2. strengthening, stretching, massage took longer

3. icing was good for temporary relief

4. nightsplints might have helped a little, so also PT with hydrocortisone, ultrasound, and high voltage.


alan k


Re: Conservative treatments

Laurie R on 8/15/00 at 21:16 (025526)

Hi Wendy,
Good question.... Today I am having alot of pain .I had to ice alot today and it has helped. My PF is the problem not the TTS ,so to answer your question yes it does help. I like you feel that conservative treatment should help a little bit. If not than maybe it could very well be something else. Laurie R

Re: Conservative treatments

Laurie R on 8/15/00 at 21:19 (025527)

I forgot to add that rest and staying off my foot has been the best thing I could do for my foot. See if I would of rested this weekend then I wouldn't be in the pain I am in today. Laurie R

Re: Conservative treatments

suzi d on 8/15/00 at 22:54 (025533)

Helped the most: rest, doc martens, cane, massage, Aleve

Helped for the moment: ice, warm water massage footbaths, heel cups, New Balance walking shoes

Helped and hurt: cortisone injections, p.t., the boot

Helped not a bit: Vioxx, Celebrex, orthodics

Hope they're helping: Vitamins, dietary supplements



Re: Conservative treatments

Beverly on 8/15/00 at 23:10 (025536)

Conservative Treatment:

Helps significantly:

rest - especially rest mixed with icing

Birk Arizona's

Helps Some:

Other shoes when I need to rotate off Arizona: Mephisto, Dansko

Ionephresis combined with deep tissue massage. (It sometimes hurts at the time, but I do believe I get benefits from this. My PT says my foot is less squishy.)


Verdict Still Out:
Stretching & Strenthening: I think this is helping, but I am still new at this. I've only been doing it a month. It is too soon to say what benefits I'm getting beyond being more flexible. I am still finding my balance on what is enough, what is too much. For instance, I have had to back off from the wall stretch. It proved to be too much.

Orthodics: I have not had good luck here, but I continue to be open to trying them. I am currently trying Spenco with athletic shoes. I resorted to this due to a rainy week. I didn't want to get my Birks or Mephesto's drenched. I have bought many otc inserts and one set of custom orthodics. I continue to like my Birks better. But there are times an athletic shoe is called for, and I can't stand to wear one without an orthodic of some kind.

Anti-inflammatories: I can only take these when my stomach is in a good spell, and this includes Vioxx. I think they help a little, but not enough for what they do to my stomach.

I have never tried taping. No one has shown me how, and I have sensitive skin.
I have so far avoided giving into the shots.

Beverly


Re: Conservative treatments

Barbara on 8/16/00 at 08:13 (025545)

Lately, it seems that any bad flare ups have been greatly releaved by ice. I ice each foot for 10 minutes (I read that more than 10 minutes and the body actually sends more blood to the area which is not what you want).

The good: ice, rest, OTC anti-inflams (Advil in the day, Aleve at night), New Balance shoes, Chiropractic, nutritional supplements

The bad: Vioxx, Celebrex

The ugly: stretching, orthotics



Re: Conservative treatments

Rock on 8/16/00 at 11:43 (025562)

Rated on a 1-10 scale here is what helped me:

10 new orthotics
8 night splint
8 calf stretches
8 NSAIDs
8 swimming (with out using feet to push off walls)
8 biking
8 massage with aspercreme
7 icing
7 massage

Rated on a 1-10 scale here is what HURT me:

10 swimming - using feet to push off walls
10 stretching on the stairs
7 running uphills
6 running on pavement
5 driving many hours
5 shopping
1 runs on soft surfaces

Rock.


Re: Conservative treatments

john a on 8/16/00 at 12:49 (025574)

Rock's list got me into the holiday spirit. Perhaps a little too early :-)
(The formatting may be messed up - leading whitespace is probably stripped)

- The Twelve Months of PF -

In the first month of PF, my poor feet said to me:
DON'T...WALK...AT...ALL!!!

In the second month of PF, my poor feet said to me: Go see a doctor, and
DON'T...WALK...AT...ALL!!!

In the third month of PF, my poor feet said to me: Get a second opinion,
Go see a doctor, and
DON'T...WALK...AT...ALL!!!

In the fourth month of PF, my poor feet said to me: This is getting ridiculous!
Get a second opinion,
Go see a doctor, and
DON'T...WALK...AT...ALL!!!

In the fifth month of PF, my poor feet said to me: Better try some orthotics.
This is getting ridiculous!
Get a second opinion,
Go see a doctor, and
DON'T...WALK...AT...ALL!!!

In the sixth month of PF, my poor feet said to me: Orthotics aren't helping.
Better try some orthotics.
This is getting ridiculous!
Get a second opinion,
Go see a doctor, and
DON'T...WALK...AT...ALL!!!

In the seventh month of PF, my poor feet said to me: Stretch, stretch, stretch.
Orthotics aren't helping.
Better try some orthotics.
This is getting ridiculous!
Get a second opinion,
Go see a doctor, and
DON'T...WALK...AT...ALL!!!

In the eighth month of PF, my poor feet said to me: Stretching might be helping.
Stretch, stretch, stretch.
Orthotics aren't helping.
Better try some orthotics.
This is getting ridiculous!
Get a second opinion,
Go see a doctor, and
DON'T...WALK...AT...ALL!!!

In the ninth month of PF, my poor feet said to me: Acupuncture? Chiropractic? Homeopathy? Magnets?
Stretching might be helping.
Stretch, stretch, stretch.
Orthotics aren't helping.
Better try some orthotics.
This is getting ridiculous!
Get a second opinion,
Go see a doctor, and
DON'T...WALK...AT...ALL!!!

In the tenth month of PF, my poor feet said to me: Will this never end?
Acupuncture? Chiropractic? Homeopathy? Magnets?
Stretching might be helping.
Stretch, stretch, stretch.
Orthotics aren't helping.
Better try some orthotics.
This is getting ridiculous!
Get a second opinion,
Go see a doctor, and
DON'T...WALK...AT...ALL!!!

In the eleventh month of PF, my poor feet said to me: Time is on your side.
Will this never end?
Acupuncture? Chiropractic? Homeopathy? Magnets?
Stretching might be helping.
Stretch, stretch, stretch.
Orthotics aren't helping.
Better try some orthotics.
This is getting ridiculous!
Get a second opinion,
Go see a doctor, and
DON'T...WALK...AT...ALL!!!

In the twelveth month of PF, my poor feet said to me: ATROPHY IS EVIL!
Time is on your side.
Will this never end?
Acupuncture? Chiropractic? Homeopathy? Magnets?
Stretching might be helping.
Stretch, stretch, stretch.
Orthotics aren't helping.
Better try some orthotics.
This is getting ridiculous!
Get a second opinion,
Go see a doctor, and
DON'T...WALK...AT...ALL!!!



Re: Conservative treatments

Nancy S. on 8/15/00 at 19:08 (025519)

Good question, Wendy.

Conservative treatments that have definitely helped my PF: rest, Birks, ice, diet changes.

Conservative treatments that I think may have helped: bromelain, very gentle stretching.

Conservative treatments that did nothing: cortisone injection, ibuprofen, and the 'diversion' of allowing myself to get depressed!

Nancy


Re: Conservative treatments

john h on 8/15/00 at 19:49 (025521)

treaments that always help a little at least: ice,rest,birks

treatments that helped a lot for a short while: shots

treaments that sometimes help and sometimes actually make it worse: massage

treatments that have not helped: orthotics, medication, stretching

sometimes it just gets worse or better for no apparent reason.


Re: Conservative treatments

alan k on 8/15/00 at 20:06 (025525)

Sometimes people in the first few months will feel there is no progress because not enough time has passed to notice, plus we get frustrated. I was certainly saying nothing was working for a while past the time when, looking back now, I was starting to make progress.

conservative treatments that helped me:

1. birks had the fastest effect-- a few days

2. strengthening, stretching, massage took longer

3. icing was good for temporary relief

4. nightsplints might have helped a little, so also PT with hydrocortisone, ultrasound, and high voltage.


alan k


Re: Conservative treatments

Laurie R on 8/15/00 at 21:16 (025526)

Hi Wendy,
Good question.... Today I am having alot of pain .I had to ice alot today and it has helped. My PF is the problem not the TTS ,so to answer your question yes it does help. I like you feel that conservative treatment should help a little bit. If not than maybe it could very well be something else. Laurie R

Re: Conservative treatments

Laurie R on 8/15/00 at 21:19 (025527)

I forgot to add that rest and staying off my foot has been the best thing I could do for my foot. See if I would of rested this weekend then I wouldn't be in the pain I am in today. Laurie R

Re: Conservative treatments

suzi d on 8/15/00 at 22:54 (025533)

Helped the most: rest, doc martens, cane, massage, Aleve

Helped for the moment: ice, warm water massage footbaths, heel cups, New Balance walking shoes

Helped and hurt: cortisone injections, p.t., the boot

Helped not a bit: Vioxx, Celebrex, orthodics

Hope they're helping: Vitamins, dietary supplements



Re: Conservative treatments

Beverly on 8/15/00 at 23:10 (025536)

Conservative Treatment:

Helps significantly:

rest - especially rest mixed with icing

Birk Arizona's

Helps Some:

Other shoes when I need to rotate off Arizona: Mephisto, Dansko

Ionephresis combined with deep tissue massage. (It sometimes hurts at the time, but I do believe I get benefits from this. My PT says my foot is less squishy.)


Verdict Still Out:
Stretching & Strenthening: I think this is helping, but I am still new at this. I've only been doing it a month. It is too soon to say what benefits I'm getting beyond being more flexible. I am still finding my balance on what is enough, what is too much. For instance, I have had to back off from the wall stretch. It proved to be too much.

Orthodics: I have not had good luck here, but I continue to be open to trying them. I am currently trying Spenco with athletic shoes. I resorted to this due to a rainy week. I didn't want to get my Birks or Mephesto's drenched. I have bought many otc inserts and one set of custom orthodics. I continue to like my Birks better. But there are times an athletic shoe is called for, and I can't stand to wear one without an orthodic of some kind.

Anti-inflammatories: I can only take these when my stomach is in a good spell, and this includes Vioxx. I think they help a little, but not enough for what they do to my stomach.

I have never tried taping. No one has shown me how, and I have sensitive skin.
I have so far avoided giving into the shots.

Beverly


Re: Conservative treatments

Barbara on 8/16/00 at 08:13 (025545)

Lately, it seems that any bad flare ups have been greatly releaved by ice. I ice each foot for 10 minutes (I read that more than 10 minutes and the body actually sends more blood to the area which is not what you want).

The good: ice, rest, OTC anti-inflams (Advil in the day, Aleve at night), New Balance shoes, Chiropractic, nutritional supplements

The bad: Vioxx, Celebrex

The ugly: stretching, orthotics



Re: Conservative treatments

Rock on 8/16/00 at 11:43 (025562)

Rated on a 1-10 scale here is what helped me:

10 new orthotics
8 night splint
8 calf stretches
8 NSAIDs
8 swimming (with out using feet to push off walls)
8 biking
8 massage with aspercreme
7 icing
7 massage

Rated on a 1-10 scale here is what HURT me:

10 swimming - using feet to push off walls
10 stretching on the stairs
7 running uphills
6 running on pavement
5 driving many hours
5 shopping
1 runs on soft surfaces

Rock.


Re: Conservative treatments

john a on 8/16/00 at 12:49 (025574)

Rock's list got me into the holiday spirit. Perhaps a little too early :-)
(The formatting may be messed up - leading whitespace is probably stripped)

- The Twelve Months of PF -

In the first month of PF, my poor feet said to me:
DON'T...WALK...AT...ALL!!!

In the second month of PF, my poor feet said to me: Go see a doctor, and
DON'T...WALK...AT...ALL!!!

In the third month of PF, my poor feet said to me: Get a second opinion,
Go see a doctor, and
DON'T...WALK...AT...ALL!!!

In the fourth month of PF, my poor feet said to me: This is getting ridiculous!
Get a second opinion,
Go see a doctor, and
DON'T...WALK...AT...ALL!!!

In the fifth month of PF, my poor feet said to me: Better try some orthotics.
This is getting ridiculous!
Get a second opinion,
Go see a doctor, and
DON'T...WALK...AT...ALL!!!

In the sixth month of PF, my poor feet said to me: Orthotics aren't helping.
Better try some orthotics.
This is getting ridiculous!
Get a second opinion,
Go see a doctor, and
DON'T...WALK...AT...ALL!!!

In the seventh month of PF, my poor feet said to me: Stretch, stretch, stretch.
Orthotics aren't helping.
Better try some orthotics.
This is getting ridiculous!
Get a second opinion,
Go see a doctor, and
DON'T...WALK...AT...ALL!!!

In the eighth month of PF, my poor feet said to me: Stretching might be helping.
Stretch, stretch, stretch.
Orthotics aren't helping.
Better try some orthotics.
This is getting ridiculous!
Get a second opinion,
Go see a doctor, and
DON'T...WALK...AT...ALL!!!

In the ninth month of PF, my poor feet said to me: Acupuncture? Chiropractic? Homeopathy? Magnets?
Stretching might be helping.
Stretch, stretch, stretch.
Orthotics aren't helping.
Better try some orthotics.
This is getting ridiculous!
Get a second opinion,
Go see a doctor, and
DON'T...WALK...AT...ALL!!!

In the tenth month of PF, my poor feet said to me: Will this never end?
Acupuncture? Chiropractic? Homeopathy? Magnets?
Stretching might be helping.
Stretch, stretch, stretch.
Orthotics aren't helping.
Better try some orthotics.
This is getting ridiculous!
Get a second opinion,
Go see a doctor, and
DON'T...WALK...AT...ALL!!!

In the eleventh month of PF, my poor feet said to me: Time is on your side.
Will this never end?
Acupuncture? Chiropractic? Homeopathy? Magnets?
Stretching might be helping.
Stretch, stretch, stretch.
Orthotics aren't helping.
Better try some orthotics.
This is getting ridiculous!
Get a second opinion,
Go see a doctor, and
DON'T...WALK...AT...ALL!!!

In the twelveth month of PF, my poor feet said to me: ATROPHY IS EVIL!
Time is on your side.
Will this never end?
Acupuncture? Chiropractic? Homeopathy? Magnets?
Stretching might be helping.
Stretch, stretch, stretch.
Orthotics aren't helping.
Better try some orthotics.
This is getting ridiculous!
Get a second opinion,
Go see a doctor, and
DON'T...WALK...AT...ALL!!!