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Posted by john h on 9/05/00 at 11:07 (027243)

i have wandered and posted as to why so many of us find some relief in birkenstocks. i thought it was entirely due to the way the bed is constructed. while visiting dr zuckerman i commented on this. he picked up my Airizona sandals and noted that the soles were very stiff. i had really never pain much attention to that but the fact is they are almost as stiff as wood from where the 2nd joint of the great toe would fit. even the front is stiffer than most if not all walking/running shoes i have worn. stiff soles are frequently recommed for PF so perhaps that is one of the secrets to these shoes/sandals. i have not examined other birk soles but do have 3 pair of airizonas with and without back strap. even my old ones 3-4 years old remain very stiff which must keep tension off the fascia.

Re: birkenstocks

Bob Ray on 9/05/00 at 14:51 (027271)

tried birks on in the store. Couldn't stand them for two steps. I know you're suppose to wear them in. But I've had enough pain, thank you.My PT recommends clogs. Also, because they are stiff. I own a tennis store and have access to every sports shoe ever'made. I have found the Wilson DST gives my foot the best support.My podiatrist even agreed that it stopped my pronation. After wasting Thousands on orthotics, it's ironic that I should find my solution in my own store.

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Beverly on 9/05/00 at 16:14 (027279)

John,

That is a good point. The stiffness may account for why my Dansko sandals are my other most successful shoe.
I currently wear:
Birk Arizona and Brooks running shoe - alternate.. main shoes
Dansko sandals for dressup

I occassionally wear Mephesto sandals. They are softer and not as successful.

Yet, other people on the board do not like the stiffness of a Birk.
All feet are different...
Beverly

Re: birkenstocks

Nancy S. on 9/06/00 at 04:57 (027355)

Some folks have been posting about the 'negative' heel cup in Birkenstocks, especially its possible encouragement of achilles tendonitis. I ran this thought past my physical therapist, and she didn't agree with it. She said it's not really negative (if they fit right) -- that your heel is about the same distance from the ground as your forefoot, with the good arch support in between. She believes completely in Birks for foot health and wears them herself. I'm going to run this by my dr. also, but I again have hope that I'll be able to return to Birks when I stop wearing the air cast. With the cast, I have to wear a hiking boot on the other foot, to try to match the height. The foot in the hiking boot never feels as good as it does in a Birk. I still use Boston Birks as house shoes in the morning before I put on the cast for the day, and I take them off reluctantly.
Nancy

Re: low heel

alan k on 9/06/00 at 08:28 (027369)

I remember we talked about the possibility of birks having an achilles problem and came up with some reasonable theories, but I agree with you Nancy and your PT now. My budding achilles tendonitis is completely gone and I never switched from my birks. I think I got the achilles problem from atrophy from resting without proper exercise, and then resuming activity (long walk in Chicago). That's probably how you got it too.

alan k

http://www.acutai.com


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Re: achilles tendonitis/birks

wendyn on 9/06/00 at 08:45 (027371)

My achilles tendons have been better since I started wearing birks.

My son with the sore achilles was demonstrating the stretches they did at football yesterday. There was one where they did a sort of runners stretch - a lunge forward and then pointed the back toe down to stretch calves and achilles. But THEN, they took the other foot and pushed down on the back heel of the foot on the ground to really stretch the achilles. I would suspect this was the bad stretch - I've never even seen this done, but it sounds like too much at least for my kid and his gimped feet.

I lectured him on paying attention to what's happening, and not assuming that every stretch is safe for him...he has to be careful. I assume that he will take these nuggets of knowledge and file them in his mental garbage can with all my other motherly advice! Heres hoping he pays attention, at least this one time...

Re: achilles tendonitis/birks

Nancy S. on 9/06/00 at 15:17 (027391)

Ah, more hope for returning to Birks! Thanks.
Alan, I think you're exactly right that that's how I got tendonitis too. I rested, which did wonders for my PF, but didn't do enough to keep other things moving and at least halfway strong. And then too suddenly tried to go back to work. I remember talking about the possible Birks/tendonitis connection back then, and I'm glad to hear you've improved without switching from Birks.
To this day, everything -- PF and the three inflamed tendons -- feels better in Birks. Making my heels higher, even a little bit as in the hiking boots, does not reduce my tendon pain. The cast reduces it -- but it holds the foot in a position similar to Birks (without the Birks footbed, unfortunately).
And Wendy, Birks improved your achilles tendons? More good news. That football stretch your son had to do doesn't sound good At All. What does he wear for shoes when not on the football field?
Nancy

Re: birkenstocks

Bob Ray on 9/05/00 at 14:51 (027271)

tried birks on in the store. Couldn't stand them for two steps. I know you're suppose to wear them in. But I've had enough pain, thank you.My PT recommends clogs. Also, because they are stiff. I own a tennis store and have access to every sports shoe ever'made. I have found the Wilson DST gives my foot the best support.My podiatrist even agreed that it stopped my pronation. After wasting Thousands on orthotics, it's ironic that I should find my solution in my own store.

Re: birkenstocks

Beverly on 9/05/00 at 16:14 (027279)

John,

That is a good point. The stiffness may account for why my Dansko sandals are my other most successful shoe.
I currently wear:
Birk Arizona and Brooks running shoe - alternate.. main shoes
Dansko sandals for dressup

I occassionally wear Mephesto sandals. They are softer and not as successful.

Yet, other people on the board do not like the stiffness of a Birk.
All feet are different...
Beverly

Re: birkenstocks

Nancy S. on 9/06/00 at 04:57 (027355)

Some folks have been posting about the 'negative' heel cup in Birkenstocks, especially its possible encouragement of achilles tendonitis. I ran this thought past my physical therapist, and she didn't agree with it. She said it's not really negative (if they fit right) -- that your heel is about the same distance from the ground as your forefoot, with the good arch support in between. She believes completely in Birks for foot health and wears them herself. I'm going to run this by my dr. also, but I again have hope that I'll be able to return to Birks when I stop wearing the air cast. With the cast, I have to wear a hiking boot on the other foot, to try to match the height. The foot in the hiking boot never feels as good as it does in a Birk. I still use Boston Birks as house shoes in the morning before I put on the cast for the day, and I take them off reluctantly.
Nancy

Re: low heel

alan k on 9/06/00 at 08:28 (027369)

I remember we talked about the possibility of birks having an achilles problem and came up with some reasonable theories, but I agree with you Nancy and your PT now. My budding achilles tendonitis is completely gone and I never switched from my birks. I think I got the achilles problem from atrophy from resting without proper exercise, and then resuming activity (long walk in Chicago). That's probably how you got it too.

alan k

http://www.acutai.com


.

Re: achilles tendonitis/birks

wendyn on 9/06/00 at 08:45 (027371)

My achilles tendons have been better since I started wearing birks.

My son with the sore achilles was demonstrating the stretches they did at football yesterday. There was one where they did a sort of runners stretch - a lunge forward and then pointed the back toe down to stretch calves and achilles. But THEN, they took the other foot and pushed down on the back heel of the foot on the ground to really stretch the achilles. I would suspect this was the bad stretch - I've never even seen this done, but it sounds like too much at least for my kid and his gimped feet.

I lectured him on paying attention to what's happening, and not assuming that every stretch is safe for him...he has to be careful. I assume that he will take these nuggets of knowledge and file them in his mental garbage can with all my other motherly advice! Heres hoping he pays attention, at least this one time...

Re: achilles tendonitis/birks

Nancy S. on 9/06/00 at 15:17 (027391)

Ah, more hope for returning to Birks! Thanks.
Alan, I think you're exactly right that that's how I got tendonitis too. I rested, which did wonders for my PF, but didn't do enough to keep other things moving and at least halfway strong. And then too suddenly tried to go back to work. I remember talking about the possible Birks/tendonitis connection back then, and I'm glad to hear you've improved without switching from Birks.
To this day, everything -- PF and the three inflamed tendons -- feels better in Birks. Making my heels higher, even a little bit as in the hiking boots, does not reduce my tendon pain. The cast reduces it -- but it holds the foot in a position similar to Birks (without the Birks footbed, unfortunately).
And Wendy, Birks improved your achilles tendons? More good news. That football stretch your son had to do doesn't sound good At All. What does he wear for shoes when not on the football field?
Nancy

Re: birkenstocks

Julie on 7/11/01 at 03:06 (052765)

Terri,you should try to find a specialist shoe store that stocks a full range of Birkenstocks. Don't buy any shoe off a website without knowing that it is going to be right for you. I've worn Birkenstock Arizonas for some time and love them, but I can't comment on the shoes, because I haven't worn them. I did try a few pairs on in a shop and didn't like them, but that doesn't mean you won't.

I wore Eccos, exclusively, for many years. They were comfy, and felt like gloves for the feet. When I got pf, I put them aside in favour of more supportive trainers. Then one evening I had to give a talk, and decided to look a bit more civilized, so I got my Eccos out of the closet and wore them. By the end of the evening - which didn't involve a great deal of walking or standing - I was in worse pain than I had had for months.

That's how I found out for myself the truth about the shoe-flexibility rule. A good shoe will bend only at the forefoot, not in the middle, and it will not twist at all. Eccos bend and twist everywhere. Stay away!

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Suzanne D on 7/11/01 at 03:41 (052768)

I have many Birk's. Couldn't live without them. I love my Birk shoes. I have Virginia, Charleston, and Oxfords. Be sure to try them on before buying them as some of the shoe lines run smaller or larger. I haven't bought a pair of the Birk boots, but I do enjoy both my shoes and sandals by Birk. Give them a try!!

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john a on 7/11/01 at 11:43 (052804)

Could someone please clear up for me just why a shoe that flexes in the middle (between the toes and heel) is bad for PF? Is it just because if such flexing occurs, it likely means that the arch support is decreased? Or is there some other reason?

Re: birkenstocks

Julie on 7/11/01 at 03:06 (052765)

Terri,you should try to find a specialist shoe store that stocks a full range of Birkenstocks. Don't buy any shoe off a website without knowing that it is going to be right for you. I've worn Birkenstock Arizonas for some time and love them, but I can't comment on the shoes, because I haven't worn them. I did try a few pairs on in a shop and didn't like them, but that doesn't mean you won't.

I wore Eccos, exclusively, for many years. They were comfy, and felt like gloves for the feet. When I got pf, I put them aside in favour of more supportive trainers. Then one evening I had to give a talk, and decided to look a bit more civilized, so I got my Eccos out of the closet and wore them. By the end of the evening - which didn't involve a great deal of walking or standing - I was in worse pain than I had had for months.

That's how I found out for myself the truth about the shoe-flexibility rule. A good shoe will bend only at the forefoot, not in the middle, and it will not twist at all. Eccos bend and twist everywhere. Stay away!

Re: birkenstocks

Suzanne D on 7/11/01 at 03:41 (052768)

I have many Birk's. Couldn't live without them. I love my Birk shoes. I have Virginia, Charleston, and Oxfords. Be sure to try them on before buying them as some of the shoe lines run smaller or larger. I haven't bought a pair of the Birk boots, but I do enjoy both my shoes and sandals by Birk. Give them a try!!

Re: birkenstocks

john a on 7/11/01 at 11:43 (052804)

Could someone please clear up for me just why a shoe that flexes in the middle (between the toes and heel) is bad for PF? Is it just because if such flexing occurs, it likely means that the arch support is decreased? Or is there some other reason?