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Orthotics, taping, and "arch supports"

Posted by Bill E. on 2/28/01 at 15:48 (040097)

I posted a message a couple of weeks ago about taping. I seem to have some problems with the tape 'pulling' on the skin on the bottom of my foot and causing pain after a couple of days. I can lay off for two days and then restart. There were suggestions regarding 'underwrap' tapes that help but I have not purchased any of that yet. The tape does seem to add support. I have also seen references to 'Fabs' and 'Arch-Aid' that work to support the arches. My favorite online running store carries a couple of products that are meant to give support and minimize PF pain.
http://www.roadrunnersports.com/roadrunner/product4.asp?pf_id=PRO%2D004
and
http://www.roadrunnersports.com/roadrunner/product4.asp?pf_id=BEN%2D001

My question/comment is: Are these all useful with orthotics or are they more useful when not using an orthotic. In my case, the additional thickness of an OTC orthotic makes several of my shoes rather tight. (And this is from a person with very narrow feet and high arches.) I wonder how much 'stuff' I can put inside my shoes.

These arch supports look useful to me because of the topical pain that I seem to be getting from taping. But additionally they look pretty easy to use and since they are reuseable, they might be cheaper, in the long run, than taping every day.

My OTC orthotics (several brands) really seem to help so I believe that arch support and probably additonal cushioning are indicated to help cure my PF.

Thanks for any comments and feedback.
Bill

Re: Orthotics, taping, and "arch supports"

Julie on 2/28/01 at 16:24 (040102)

Bill, I've just replied to your e-mail about your taping problem. With regard to your tight shoes - if they are trainers (sneakers?) have you removed the inserts that come with the shoes? This makes a big difference to the space inside, though it does diminish the cushioning.

Julie

Re: Orthotics, taping, and "arch supports"

Dr. Zuckerman on 2/28/01 at 16:35 (040103)

You can replace the inside of the sneaker with 1/16 plastizole which will give you all of the cushioning you will ever need. Great product.

Re: Orthotics, taping, and "arch supports"

Rose on 2/28/01 at 16:37 (040104)

The 'arch supports' look very good. I'd love to hear from anyone who has actually used one. I also have a lot of trouble with the taping, yet I know that it helps.

Re: Orthotics, taping, and "arch supports"

Nancy N on 2/28/01 at 17:57 (040116)

Dr. Z--

What is plastizole and where do you get it? How much does it cost?

Re: Orthotics, taping, and "arch supports"

Dr. Zuckerman on 2/28/01 at 18:12 (040119)

This is a material that is used in Diabetics and for pateints who lack fat padding in the foot. Very soft and has a very good shock absorption ability
Get this at any orthopedic shoe store

Re: Orthotics, taping, and "arch supports"

Richard, C.Ped on 3/01/01 at 08:32 (040151)

I agree. The plastazote give great cushion. I like to use it with my diabetic patients or others with very sensitive feet. I even use it for the FM patients I see. Great stuff.
Richard

Re: Orthotics, taping, and "arch supports"

Richard, C.Ped on 3/01/01 at 08:41 (040155)

Hi Bill,
Those devices look pretty neat. I wear a Velcro brace when I play volleyball. The only thing that bothers me is at the arch. My orthotics have such great support for my arches, the bottom of the brace where the straps attach, hurts after about an hour of playing.

If you can strap them tight enough, they might actually relieve some pain in your arch. It is hard to tell with new devices.

They look pretty simple. You might even be able to make one yourself. I think I will try.
Richard

Re: Orthotics, taping, and "arch supports"

Hedy Edwards on 3/01/01 at 09:48 (040172)

I was just diagnosed yesterday with heel spurs, not given much more other than loose ten pounds, perhaps shots, possible surgery down the road, if all other methods fail. I have been in pain for months now, with out releif. I came home from the Doctors office, looked up heel spurs on the internet, and saw the video on heel taping. For the first time in months I could walk pain free. I work full time in a deli, and parttime farmer/horses, beef cows, I cannot stand still for long. Thanks to Scott and his video!!!!!Arch supports, did not help, changing shoes many times not either. How long must I continue to tape? Or is the damage I have done permanent?

Re: Orthotics, taping, and "arch supports"

Julie on 3/02/01 at 02:57 (040249)

Hedy, welcome to heelspurs.com and the board. Lucky you, to have discovered and tried taping so quickly. To answer your question, I suggest you go on taping for as long as you need to. The point about tape is that because it supplies support to the arch (support that is lost when the fascia tears) is actually _rests_ the fascia and gives it a chance to heal. So tape isn't just for pain relief, it helps you to heal.

I've had PF for six months. I am now 95% better, but my right foot still feels that it needs the support of tape, so I continue to tape and will do so till my foot feels absolutely right without it, however long that takes. I suspect that I'd have a setback if I tried to do without it, and I'm not inclined to experiment.

The damage probably isn't permanent (and try not to think of it as damage you have 'done' - why add guilt to your pain?) But I really think you should consult a specialist in feet - a podiatrist or sports medicine doctor. From what you say about the advice you were given, I doubt the doctor who gave it knows anything much about PF. You need one who does. Taping, if it helps, is a great treatment, but there are lots of other things you can do to help yourself. First you need a full evaluation and diagnosis by someone who knows feet and has the right diagnostic equipment. Then with his/her help you'll be able to put together a comprehensive treatment programme that will have you enjoying life fully again.

I guess you have read the PF Book, as you've discovered taping, but in case you haven't, do: it is the best source of information around. And stick around on the board, where you will get lots more information and support.

All the best

Julie

Re: Orthotics, taping, and "arch supports"

Steve on 3/02/01 at 07:39 (040254)

Bill:

I had a great personal exp. with the Arch aids. They are easy to use and they were only $15.00 bucks. their website is where i got mine. http://www.archaid.net
Steve

Re: Orthotics, taping, and "arch supports"

nancy a on 3/04/01 at 14:24 (040418)

got arch supports wore for 1 month can not stand the pain of wearing them . I work 12 hour days on a cement floor have had problem about 10 yrs tried every thing always in pain if you can help please let me know . have some heel pain but have swelling on side of foot and i can not stand to wear shoes taking drugs but does not help dr told me to exercise my foot but get severe back pain am at the end of my rope with pain . thank you

Re: Orthotics, taping, and "arch supports"

Julie on 2/28/01 at 16:24 (040102)

Bill, I've just replied to your e-mail about your taping problem. With regard to your tight shoes - if they are trainers (sneakers?) have you removed the inserts that come with the shoes? This makes a big difference to the space inside, though it does diminish the cushioning.

Julie

Re: Orthotics, taping, and "arch supports"

Dr. Zuckerman on 2/28/01 at 16:35 (040103)

You can replace the inside of the sneaker with 1/16 plastizole which will give you all of the cushioning you will ever need. Great product.

Re: Orthotics, taping, and "arch supports"

Rose on 2/28/01 at 16:37 (040104)

The 'arch supports' look very good. I'd love to hear from anyone who has actually used one. I also have a lot of trouble with the taping, yet I know that it helps.

Re: Orthotics, taping, and "arch supports"

Nancy N on 2/28/01 at 17:57 (040116)

Dr. Z--

What is plastizole and where do you get it? How much does it cost?

Re: Orthotics, taping, and "arch supports"

Dr. Zuckerman on 2/28/01 at 18:12 (040119)

This is a material that is used in Diabetics and for pateints who lack fat padding in the foot. Very soft and has a very good shock absorption ability
Get this at any orthopedic shoe store

Re: Orthotics, taping, and "arch supports"

Richard, C.Ped on 3/01/01 at 08:32 (040151)

I agree. The plastazote give great cushion. I like to use it with my diabetic patients or others with very sensitive feet. I even use it for the FM patients I see. Great stuff.
Richard

Re: Orthotics, taping, and "arch supports"

Richard, C.Ped on 3/01/01 at 08:41 (040155)

Hi Bill,
Those devices look pretty neat. I wear a Velcro brace when I play volleyball. The only thing that bothers me is at the arch. My orthotics have such great support for my arches, the bottom of the brace where the straps attach, hurts after about an hour of playing.

If you can strap them tight enough, they might actually relieve some pain in your arch. It is hard to tell with new devices.

They look pretty simple. You might even be able to make one yourself. I think I will try.
Richard

Re: Orthotics, taping, and "arch supports"

Hedy Edwards on 3/01/01 at 09:48 (040172)

I was just diagnosed yesterday with heel spurs, not given much more other than loose ten pounds, perhaps shots, possible surgery down the road, if all other methods fail. I have been in pain for months now, with out releif. I came home from the Doctors office, looked up heel spurs on the internet, and saw the video on heel taping. For the first time in months I could walk pain free. I work full time in a deli, and parttime farmer/horses, beef cows, I cannot stand still for long. Thanks to Scott and his video!!!!!Arch supports, did not help, changing shoes many times not either. How long must I continue to tape? Or is the damage I have done permanent?

Re: Orthotics, taping, and "arch supports"

Julie on 3/02/01 at 02:57 (040249)

Hedy, welcome to heelspurs.com and the board. Lucky you, to have discovered and tried taping so quickly. To answer your question, I suggest you go on taping for as long as you need to. The point about tape is that because it supplies support to the arch (support that is lost when the fascia tears) is actually _rests_ the fascia and gives it a chance to heal. So tape isn't just for pain relief, it helps you to heal.

I've had PF for six months. I am now 95% better, but my right foot still feels that it needs the support of tape, so I continue to tape and will do so till my foot feels absolutely right without it, however long that takes. I suspect that I'd have a setback if I tried to do without it, and I'm not inclined to experiment.

The damage probably isn't permanent (and try not to think of it as damage you have 'done' - why add guilt to your pain?) But I really think you should consult a specialist in feet - a podiatrist or sports medicine doctor. From what you say about the advice you were given, I doubt the doctor who gave it knows anything much about PF. You need one who does. Taping, if it helps, is a great treatment, but there are lots of other things you can do to help yourself. First you need a full evaluation and diagnosis by someone who knows feet and has the right diagnostic equipment. Then with his/her help you'll be able to put together a comprehensive treatment programme that will have you enjoying life fully again.

I guess you have read the PF Book, as you've discovered taping, but in case you haven't, do: it is the best source of information around. And stick around on the board, where you will get lots more information and support.

All the best

Julie

Re: Orthotics, taping, and "arch supports"

Steve on 3/02/01 at 07:39 (040254)

Bill:

I had a great personal exp. with the Arch aids. They are easy to use and they were only $15.00 bucks. their website is where i got mine. http://www.archaid.net
Steve

Re: Orthotics, taping, and "arch supports"

nancy a on 3/04/01 at 14:24 (040418)

got arch supports wore for 1 month can not stand the pain of wearing them . I work 12 hour days on a cement floor have had problem about 10 yrs tried every thing always in pain if you can help please let me know . have some heel pain but have swelling on side of foot and i can not stand to wear shoes taking drugs but does not help dr told me to exercise my foot but get severe back pain am at the end of my rope with pain . thank you