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Alarming discovery in shopping for new pod! Spookey... Spookey!

Posted by Beverly on 3/19/01 at 12:22 (041851)

Hi guys,

It pays to 'interview' the front office when trying a new pod.

Most of you know I recently moved to a new city (actually back to an old one).

As many of you know, I recently moved to a different city. I want to renew my PT script since that helped me more than anything.

So, I called a pod referred to me by a family member. (Barbara's EWST zapper is an hour away. I need a local yokel for a PT script/general maintenace.)

I called a board certified pod referred to me by my Dad. I told the front office I have chronic PF/PTT and am doctor shopping. I asked, 'Does Dr. XYZ have patience with chronic PF and how does he usually treat it?' The answer was ALARMING! VERY ALARMING! The receptionist said, 'He gives a series of three cortizone injections once a week. If that does not help, he gives a round of oral cortizone. Somewhere in there, he fits you for orthodics. If all of this fails, the only alternative is surgery!' I said, 'PT helped me more than anything else. That's all I'm looking for. I tried one cortizone shot and it did nothing. Does he not use PT?' She said, 'No.' Can you believe that?

First, I thought a cortizone shot 1x a week for 3 weeks sounded excessive.
And then to follow it up with oral cortizone, that is alot of cortizone. And to think the guy has nothing else to offer but orthodics! I was totally disgusted. And so glad I took the time to interview her and not waste my time and money in an appointment.

My insurance book lists lots of orthopedic docs (pages) but does not break them down by speciality. There were just a few sports med docs. I called one affiliated with the osteopathic medical school and their PT clinic. Made an appointment for next week. This guy is general sports medicine, but since I primarily want PT and he is affiliated with a big PT clinic joint owned by the med school, I figure that he'll be generous with PT and hopefully can help me find a pod or foot/ankle orthoped. guy who is not 'shot happy.'!

What alarms me the most is that the poor patient who does not have access to our website and is new to PF will get overloaded on cortizone and then if it doesn't work, told to have surgery. This I find very alarming.
Beverly

Re: Alarming discovery in shopping for new pod! Spookey... Spookey!

Nancy N on 3/19/01 at 12:43 (041852)

Wow, Bev! I'm so glad you called and interviewed the office staff before just taking a recommendation!! I find it all alarming, too--the idea that people who don't know better would be put through that sort of treatment (with no variables--that is very scary) and then told that they have to have surgery... well, it makes me darned glad I found this site.

I think you may do quite well with just your sports medicine guy. I know others on the board have gone to them--maybe Steve P and Nancy S, but I'm not sure off the top of my head. You may not need another doctor if this guy knows his stuff.

Good luck with it all, and let us know how it goes!

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Laurie R on 3/19/01 at 14:08 (041860)

Beverly,
This is nuts!!!!!! I am so glad you called first too. Think of all the poor people that have gone through this and not knowing they have lots of other choices .. The sports med doc should be very good ,and it sounds like PT will not be a problem ...My best to you.Laurie R

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Barbara TX on 3/19/01 at 15:22 (041867)

Beverly - this seems to by TYPICAL of my dealings with DPMS. You hit it right on the money - uneducated patients are harmed by doctors all the time. If I hadn't been to this website, my life would be much more complicated right now, and expensive! B.

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Barbara TX on 3/19/01 at 15:25 (041868)

Oh, yes - one thing I forgot to mention is that when you spend lots of time and effort educating yourself about your options, your doctor gets weirded out because he thinks you are playing doctor, or an obsessive-compulsive personality. Of course, this excludes all the fine DPMs that visit us here - thank you all for helping us recover! B.

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Nancy S. on 3/19/01 at 15:30 (041871)

Beverly, this guy sounds spookily like the first one I saw, except unlike you, I was stupuid or ignorant and saw him for 6 months! He just about had me on the operating table when I found Scott's site. You are being very smart about your search. These are the lessons that will stand us in good stead for the rest of our lives, and I learned 'em all here.

Re: Alarming discovery in shopping for new pod! Spookey... Spookey!

Beverly on 3/19/01 at 18:19 (041887)

Hi to our two Nancy's, Laurie, Barbara,

Yes, it is frightening to think of what happens to the uneducated patient in the hands of a 'shot happy' doctor!

I remember my old sports med/foot and ankle specialist in Corpus was very clear about spacing cortisone shots several months apart. And in my case when the first set (one in each tootsie) didn't take, he never said another word about trying it again.

My delimma in orthopedic/sports medicine specialist vs. pod is this: When you find a dedicated and ethical pod, I think they have a keener interest in foot pain/keep up with new treatments better than the orthopedic guru who does exciting things like hip replacements. (How boring my foot/ankle/tendon problems must pale in the light of joint replacement!) Yet, as a whole I've found the orthopedic/sports medicine guys to be more proactive about PT and far more cautious about shots and not too keen on surgery. So, it is a delimma.

And yes, it is a rare doctor who likes an educated patient.

Barbara, if you are reading this, what is your pod zapper in Irving like in terms of his attitudes towards cortisone, okness on the educated patient, and pushiness on orthodics? I know if I end up getting zapped this summer, I want it to be someone I would have gone to all along the treatment path... I am confused as to why the orthopedic foot and ankle docs are not jumping on the EWST bandwagon.
See ya,
Beverly

Re: Alarming discovery in shopping for new pod! Spookey... Spookey!

Martha B. on 3/19/01 at 18:25 (041889)

Bev-you are in Dallas arent you? I havent seen this dr. but he is the team dr. for the Mavericks-Dr. Robert Angelier located on Broadway in Garland. A friend adores him. I had an appt. with him but went on and had the ossatron. Just a suggestion!

Re: Alarming discovery in shopping for new pod! Spookey... Spookey!

Beverly on 3/19/01 at 18:36 (041892)

Maria,

Thanks. I'm close to Dallas... about an hour away. For my future EWST zapper, I'd go anywhere in the state. For general maintence like PT scripts, I need someone close to home... like within 15 minutes.
Thanks,
Beverly

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Barbara TX on 3/20/01 at 10:04 (041930)

My zapper is willing to give shots, but I'm not sure how many. There was some sort of waiting period between them and limit to them, but my attempts at shots were over a year ago with no result, so my memory is fuzzy. I already had custom orthos when I came to him, and he accepted the fact that they were useless. He offers custom HARD and OTC soft. You really do have to ask him for what you need. He is doing the alcohol shots at my behest, so he is willing to try new stuff... he usually only does those kind of shots on neuroma stumps (Lord, that sounds gross!). He is straightforward sort of person, and I was very disappointed that he didn't see me in the condition I was in (for so long) and not hand me a handicapped permit on a velvet pillow. But, I will take what I can get when I can get it. B.

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Robert Detrich on 3/20/01 at hrmin (041960)

we'll, if anyone is interested, I have discovered, by accident, and by studying, and by the fact that I had severe plantar fascitis, a method to treat and cure the problem that Doctor's, to the best of my knowledge, DO NOT have.

Re: Alarming discovery in shopping for new pod! Spookey... Spookey!

Robert Detrich on 3/20/01 at hrmin (041962)

Hello,

I hope your foot is not too bad. I am not soliciting business. I will be getting all the business I can handle soon. We'll, if anyone is interested, I have discovered, by accident, and by studying, and by the fact that I had severe plantar fascitis, a method to treat and cure the problem that Doctor's, to the best of my knowledge, DO NOT have. I have used it successfully on approximately 40 patients, many of whom had seen MULTIPLE Doctor's and Sportsmedicine people previously. I merely want to help people. That is my goal.

Re: Alarming discovery in shopping for new pod! Spookey... Spookey!

Julie on 3/20/01 at 16:30 (041978)

Robert Detrich, I have some questions for you.

Are you a doctor? If not, why are you talking about 'patients'?

Why are you being so coy? If you really want to help people, why not come out with your discoveries and give us the benefit of them.

Unless, of course, you are spamming.

Are you?

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Dr. Zuckerman on 3/20/01 at 16:39 (041981)

I agree that it is great to help people but if you have something just got it out and let the people decide if it's worth anything. As a doctor I am always open minded but need to know what you are evening talking about.

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Lori W. on 3/20/01 at 17:00 (041985)

I agree with you,Julie. Robert, if you have a cure, what are you being so careful about? Are you trying to drum up interest, and then when you've gotten some people showing some interest, are you going to tell us that if we want your 'miracle' cure we will have to pay some outrageous amount for your cure information. As a few people were discussing in a previous post, some people will pay any price to get rid of their pain. Have you been reading these posts too and rubbing your hands with glee that you will soon have some 'suckers'?
If you are soon going into business, what business would that be? Are you a DR.? A sports physiologist? Joe Blow who just happened to stumble on a cure and now are going to exploit it for all it is worth? Robert, you need to be a little more forthcoming about your information and motives. If you really do want to help, just tell us what you have discovered and let us decide if we think it will work.

Re: Alarming discovery in shopping for new pod! Spookey... Spookey!

Nancy N on 3/19/01 at 12:43 (041852)

Wow, Bev! I'm so glad you called and interviewed the office staff before just taking a recommendation!! I find it all alarming, too--the idea that people who don't know better would be put through that sort of treatment (with no variables--that is very scary) and then told that they have to have surgery... well, it makes me darned glad I found this site.

I think you may do quite well with just your sports medicine guy. I know others on the board have gone to them--maybe Steve P and Nancy S, but I'm not sure off the top of my head. You may not need another doctor if this guy knows his stuff.

Good luck with it all, and let us know how it goes!

Re: Alarming discovery in shopping for new pod! Spookey... Spookey!

Laurie R on 3/19/01 at 14:08 (041860)

Beverly,
This is nuts!!!!!! I am so glad you called first too. Think of all the poor people that have gone through this and not knowing they have lots of other choices .. The sports med doc should be very good ,and it sounds like PT will not be a problem ...My best to you.Laurie R

Re: Alarming discovery in shopping for new pod! Spookey... Spookey!

Barbara TX on 3/19/01 at 15:22 (041867)

Beverly - this seems to by TYPICAL of my dealings with DPMS. You hit it right on the money - uneducated patients are harmed by doctors all the time. If I hadn't been to this website, my life would be much more complicated right now, and expensive! B.

Re: Alarming discovery in shopping for new pod! Spookey... Spookey!

Barbara TX on 3/19/01 at 15:25 (041868)

Oh, yes - one thing I forgot to mention is that when you spend lots of time and effort educating yourself about your options, your doctor gets weirded out because he thinks you are playing doctor, or an obsessive-compulsive personality. Of course, this excludes all the fine DPMs that visit us here - thank you all for helping us recover! B.

Re: Alarming discovery in shopping for new pod! Spookey... Spookey!

Nancy S. on 3/19/01 at 15:30 (041871)

Beverly, this guy sounds spookily like the first one I saw, except unlike you, I was stupuid or ignorant and saw him for 6 months! He just about had me on the operating table when I found Scott's site. You are being very smart about your search. These are the lessons that will stand us in good stead for the rest of our lives, and I learned 'em all here.

Re: Alarming discovery in shopping for new pod! Spookey... Spookey!

Beverly on 3/19/01 at 18:19 (041887)

Hi to our two Nancy's, Laurie, Barbara,

Yes, it is frightening to think of what happens to the uneducated patient in the hands of a 'shot happy' doctor!

I remember my old sports med/foot and ankle specialist in Corpus was very clear about spacing cortisone shots several months apart. And in my case when the first set (one in each tootsie) didn't take, he never said another word about trying it again.

My delimma in orthopedic/sports medicine specialist vs. pod is this: When you find a dedicated and ethical pod, I think they have a keener interest in foot pain/keep up with new treatments better than the orthopedic guru who does exciting things like hip replacements. (How boring my foot/ankle/tendon problems must pale in the light of joint replacement!) Yet, as a whole I've found the orthopedic/sports medicine guys to be more proactive about PT and far more cautious about shots and not too keen on surgery. So, it is a delimma.

And yes, it is a rare doctor who likes an educated patient.

Barbara, if you are reading this, what is your pod zapper in Irving like in terms of his attitudes towards cortisone, okness on the educated patient, and pushiness on orthodics? I know if I end up getting zapped this summer, I want it to be someone I would have gone to all along the treatment path... I am confused as to why the orthopedic foot and ankle docs are not jumping on the EWST bandwagon.
See ya,
Beverly

Re: Alarming discovery in shopping for new pod! Spookey... Spookey!

Martha B. on 3/19/01 at 18:25 (041889)

Bev-you are in Dallas arent you? I havent seen this dr. but he is the team dr. for the Mavericks-Dr. Robert Angelier located on Broadway in Garland. A friend adores him. I had an appt. with him but went on and had the ossatron. Just a suggestion!

Re: Alarming discovery in shopping for new pod! Spookey... Spookey!

Beverly on 3/19/01 at 18:36 (041892)

Maria,

Thanks. I'm close to Dallas... about an hour away. For my future EWST zapper, I'd go anywhere in the state. For general maintence like PT scripts, I need someone close to home... like within 15 minutes.
Thanks,
Beverly

Re: Alarming discovery in shopping for new pod! Spookey... Spookey!

Barbara TX on 3/20/01 at 10:04 (041930)

My zapper is willing to give shots, but I'm not sure how many. There was some sort of waiting period between them and limit to them, but my attempts at shots were over a year ago with no result, so my memory is fuzzy. I already had custom orthos when I came to him, and he accepted the fact that they were useless. He offers custom HARD and OTC soft. You really do have to ask him for what you need. He is doing the alcohol shots at my behest, so he is willing to try new stuff... he usually only does those kind of shots on neuroma stumps (Lord, that sounds gross!). He is straightforward sort of person, and I was very disappointed that he didn't see me in the condition I was in (for so long) and not hand me a handicapped permit on a velvet pillow. But, I will take what I can get when I can get it. B.

Re: Alarming discovery in shopping for new pod! Spookey... Spookey!

Robert Detrich on 3/20/01 at hrmin (041960)

we'll, if anyone is interested, I have discovered, by accident, and by studying, and by the fact that I had severe plantar fascitis, a method to treat and cure the problem that Doctor's, to the best of my knowledge, DO NOT have.

Re: Alarming discovery in shopping for new pod! Spookey... Spookey!

Robert Detrich on 3/20/01 at hrmin (041962)

Hello,

I hope your foot is not too bad. I am not soliciting business. I will be getting all the business I can handle soon. We'll, if anyone is interested, I have discovered, by accident, and by studying, and by the fact that I had severe plantar fascitis, a method to treat and cure the problem that Doctor's, to the best of my knowledge, DO NOT have. I have used it successfully on approximately 40 patients, many of whom had seen MULTIPLE Doctor's and Sportsmedicine people previously. I merely want to help people. That is my goal.

Re: Alarming discovery in shopping for new pod! Spookey... Spookey!

Julie on 3/20/01 at 16:30 (041978)

Robert Detrich, I have some questions for you.

Are you a doctor? If not, why are you talking about 'patients'?

Why are you being so coy? If you really want to help people, why not come out with your discoveries and give us the benefit of them.

Unless, of course, you are spamming.

Are you?

Re: Alarming discovery in shopping for new pod! Spookey... Spookey!

Dr. Zuckerman on 3/20/01 at 16:39 (041981)

I agree that it is great to help people but if you have something just got it out and let the people decide if it's worth anything. As a doctor I am always open minded but need to know what you are evening talking about.

Re: Alarming discovery in shopping for new pod! Spookey... Spookey!

Lori W. on 3/20/01 at 17:00 (041985)

I agree with you,Julie. Robert, if you have a cure, what are you being so careful about? Are you trying to drum up interest, and then when you've gotten some people showing some interest, are you going to tell us that if we want your 'miracle' cure we will have to pay some outrageous amount for your cure information. As a few people were discussing in a previous post, some people will pay any price to get rid of their pain. Have you been reading these posts too and rubbing your hands with glee that you will soon have some 'suckers'?
If you are soon going into business, what business would that be? Are you a DR.? A sports physiologist? Joe Blow who just happened to stumble on a cure and now are going to exploit it for all it is worth? Robert, you need to be a little more forthcoming about your information and motives. If you really do want to help, just tell us what you have discovered and let us decide if we think it will work.