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Foot surgery/ Planterfacisa

Posted by Tracey on 4/23/01 at 21:34 (045517)

Dear Doctors,

I've written to you on many times over the past few months. I told you that my surgeries were not successful and now I have permanent damage. I'v read alot of the messages on this website and have come to the conclusion that this surgery should never and I mean never take place to anyone. There are more people who have this surgery and more problems. A doctor needs to be more upfront with the patient and tell them that this surgery can create and cause more problems. I'm going into my 11th month post-op and I am not any better nor will I get better. This surgery is very unsuccessful. There are more people on this site who have more problems than success stories. I am really pissed that my doctors were not honest and that they did not have my best interest in mind when they decided to cut open my foot and change my life forever. Surgery should never be a consideration when it comes to the P.F and doctors take it to lightly when decided to do this surgery. My foot was alot better before the surgery. At this point I don't have to much faith in doctors. I did all that I was told to do and it got me nowhere. Some doctors think they are god and the sad thing is alot patients believe it to and put all they're faith in them, I don't believe that anymore. I will not go back to a doctor for this problem because at this point it will be a waste of my time and money. If this seems harsh I'm sorry, but I will not be able to do the things I did before the surgeries and I think that stinks!!!!

Tracey

Re: Foot surgery/ Planterfacisa

Dr. Zuckerman on 4/23/01 at 21:47 (045519)

I wish there was something I could say or do.

Re: Foot surgery/ P.F

Tracey on 4/23/01 at 22:47 (045524)

Thanks for the fast response, I wish there was something you could say or do to make my foot better. Please be upfront and honest about this type of surgery to all who come to this website. It really is a matter of walking and walking with pain and problems forever. I wish I had know more before I trusted someone who said 'don't worry I will make you better'
Tracey

Re: Foot surgery/ Planterfacisa

Jill P on 4/23/01 at hrmin (045525)

Tracey, I am so sorry to hear of your pain. I too think that the surgery is something not to be considered lightly. You probably should have been made more aware of the risks and success rates beforehand. I will say though that I have met a couple people who had it and have not had any problems since. They would not be visiting this website because they no longer have the pain of PF. I know it doesn't help you any, but I did think that it was fair to mention that there are some people who have had success with it.

Personally, I don't think I could be convinced of having the surgery after reading these boards either - and I know people personally who have had success. The risks involved seem to great for me to consider.

I know I can't say anything to help you and this is the board for doctors to respond, but I want to let you know I will keep you in my prayers and hope healing is in the plans for you. I am so sorry that you are hurting so much. Jill P

Re: Foot surgery/ Planterfacisa

wendyn on 4/23/01 at 22:59 (045526)

Tracey - I understand your frustration - and I think you're right. Way too many doctors AND patients rush into foot surgery.

However, this site is NOT a true reflection of success vs. failure on surgery. People who have been cured are out having fun - not searching the net on PF. This gives a very distorted view here of how well it works.

Surgery seems to always be considered a LAST resort, and I think we can all agree that's where it needs to stay.

Re: Foot surgery/ Planterfacisa

Matt P on 4/24/01 at 02:02 (045530)

Dear Tracey,

My heart goes to you.
Reading some of your past postings, seemed like you were looking for some opinion from experts on this board, seemed like you were getting sporadic going nowhere responses and had to repeat your problem again and again.
I have no opinion, just another sufferer who can relate to you. Please don't lose hope. My hope is you come through this hardship in positive way soon.

Re: Foot surgery/ Planterfacisa

Dr. David S. Wander on 4/24/01 at 08:56 (045546)

Tracey,

It is truly unfortunate that you're surgical procedure was not successful and that you are in more pain post operatively. There is nothing that anyone can say to you that will make you feel better. I don't know the doctor that performed your procedure, but I'd like to sincerely hope that he didn't perform the procedure just to make a quick buck. Yes, there are doctors that think that they are holier than thou, but I sincerely believe that is the exception and not the rule. I strongly agree that many times consent forms are signed by patients with inadequate explanation of the risks and complications that are involved with the surgery. In my practice, I devote at least 1/2 hour for a pre op visit for the specific purpose of discussing potential risks and complications that may occur. In 17 years of performing surgery and having these pre-op discussions, I have never had a patient decide to not have the surgery as a result of discussing the risks and complications. (this does not mean that complications have not occurred). Maybe this is because the patients are thankful that they weren't just asked to sign the form with no explanation.

Complications are inherent to ALL surgical procedures, and a bad outcome does not mean that a procedure should never be performed, just as a good outcome doesn't mean a procedure should be performed without the proper indications. Release of the plantar fascia is a procedure that has been overutilized in the past. I treat a very large number of patients with heel pain, and less than 1% of those patients end up with surgical intervention. I personally believe that there are so many conservative procedures available, that surgery for plantar fasciitis is truly a VERY last resort.

My recommendation is to not condemn all doctors for the actions of a few. Concentrate on attempting to find that one doctor that will sympathize with your discomfort and attempt to find a solution to alleviate your pain. I truly hope that you will eventually return to regular activity with little or no discomfort.

Re: Foot surgery/ Planterfacisa

Tammie on 4/24/01 at hrmin (045551)

Dear tracey,
I feel for u . I am sorry that u dont think the surgery helped u. I agree with allot u have stated here,about DR.s to ,that is why I try to stay as far away as I can from them,I am one of those bad people who treat myself for whatever,so as to not have to shop for a Dr. or listen to them question me like I dont know what I am talking about. I had researched my hubbys condition and approached his Dr. once when he first started treatment for his condition I was not rude I came in with questions and stuff I got from reputable medical sites on the internet,I questioned or I should say tryed and he was very defensive and angry with me. I could tell this and it made us all uncomfortable,including my hubby,I now no longer will go with him as I dont want to make waves I just wanted reasons for the choice of treatments and cause and effect. I got along much better withthe nurse practioner which we had regular chats. She was both helpful and understanding to all involved. Even my hubby preferred seeing her and was heartbroken when she left to go back to hospital work. I think as with any profession most Dr. are overworked and Insurance dictates to them to much. They are always worried about lawsuites and sometimes this makes them forget that we are all human beings not cases. They forget yes treatment may be well but maybe life is not,maybe we need just a extra min. to say well how are u overall, do u have any questions that are bothering u? Most seem to be in constant rush form is what I have noticed,and the ones that are not , as my kids dr. they are always trying to look for a problem that is not there. Or give u the run around instead of just saying gee I dont know but lets try to find out.I know they are not God and it takes time . Maybe they dont want the human touch so as not to get to involved thereself? I dont know but I do understand the feeling u have about dr.s. I think as for surgery well we take a chance on any surgeries especially elective as it is a choice then not a emergency,so we tend to blame them for things that do not always work or work as fast as we would like them to. I am the most impatient person around u should ask my family, If the dr. says give me 50% I will give 100 thinking that is better and I can do it or I will die trying lol. I find that obeying is hard for me, I am a no nonesense person tell me facts and what u want exactly dont give me games or piety,but dont keep me in the dark either as I have to start looking for my own answers then as I want to be educated. I do not think we should have to shop for dr.s it is sad who has the time u are sick or hurt now I dont want to see 6 dr.s I want to see 1 or maybe 2 and get fixed with that.I have a gyn who has treated me for 22 years and he is ok, a busy man but I am comfortable with him he knows me I know him,I dont whine he doesnt pull punches.He is honest and treats me as a person. I only see him once or twice a year. When I needed a foot dr. I had no idea what or who to go to,we went with a ortho that hubby dr. recomened, not a good choice or maybe to early, then tryed another on a whim hubby stopped at this place as he had enough and it said specialist in foot and ankle problems well so forth now I am here with my mess or maybe all will be well. A chance that we take. I am a week post op, and have zillions of questions and cant talk to the dr. as he does not have time or skirts my quetion before I get it out of my mouth, but I look for my own answers,I know my body best and I will not give up so please dont give up!!! This is a good site for most, you have a llot of knowledge here and some wonderful caring people , who try to find u some answers and help also goose u when u are feeling the piety party or join u in one LOL now Tracey I am longwinded I have found my fingers enjoy typing lol I am sorry for this but guess it is my only outlet right now as I cannot work my stress away, sit back have a nice cupa whatever u like and read the posts here, it gives allot of insight and maybe lets u know we are never alone . And some of us will get better and those that dont will stand together and keep each other up. Hugs my friend and hope u soon find peace Tammie

Re: Foot surgery/ P.F

Helene M on 4/24/01 at 12:20 (045571)

Tracy, I am so sorry to hear that the surgery has failed. However, are you sure you have 'permanent' damage? If I recall correctly from your previous posts, you saw 2 other drs. after the surgery. Even if they said they could not help you, that does not mean that there is no one out there who can. You need to keep looking.

Re: This is why ESWT needs to be used instead of pf release

Dr. Zuckerman on 4/24/01 at 13:24 (045577)

Sorry but I had to say this for the rest of the doctors and patients on this web site

Re: Foot surgery/ Planterfacisa

claudia, to wendyn on 4/24/01 at 15:22 (045586)

hi wendyn. what you say here has got me thinking that i really should have done some research into the nature of PF surgery before I had the bunionectomy/PF surgery scheduled; i figured the bunion was the biggee and my doc made it sound like no big deal to take care of the plantar fascitis at the same time, that it was 'a very simple procedure' and he would do both since in his opinion the PF was being caused by the severity of the bunion. i feel so stupid now. AND i feel like i was grossly misled by this doctor....not ONCE did he indicate that recovery from PF surgery could be lengthy and totally frustrating. thanks for letting me vent.

Re: Foot surgery/ Planterfacisa

Tracey on 4/24/01 at 17:22 (045599)

Thanks,Dr.Zuckerman, HeleneM., JillP., Wendyn, MattP., Dr.David Wander,

and Tammie,
Thanks everyone for the advice and input. I quess last night I just had enough of the pain and the whole situation, I just needed to vent alittle. This is the only place I can go and people understand what's going on and how I feel. I've had many surgeries in my life and this is the only one that has'nt got better in time. Tahns again for the support you guys are the best!!!!!!! Tracey A

Re: Foot surgery/ Planterfacisa

claudia to tracey on 4/24/01 at 21:16 (045621)

hey tracey.....i had a hysterectomy three years ago and i healed better from THAT than i am healing from foot surgery!!! hang in there...i hope things are better for you soon.

Re: back to Claudia

wendyn on 4/24/01 at 22:46 (045630)

Claudia - please don't feel stupid. Most doctors are good - and most you can trust...we've been raised to know that. Unfortunately - there is the odd one who seems all to happy to cut cut cut without justification. You did what you thought was best at the time so don't beat yourself up.

BUT - I still think you should get a second opinion now. Find a reputable foot and ankle orthepedic surgeon (so it's a different viewpoint). Make the appointment and then request that ALL of your records be copied to the new doctor - xrays, mri's bloodwork etc. You DO NOT have to justify or explain to your first doctor WHY you are seeking a second opinion. You can continue to see the first one for post op care to ensure consistency...but get that second opinion. If you are not comfortable having the records sent to the new doctor then ask for your own copies to bring yourself. If they ask why - say it's because they're YOUR feet. Your doctor's office isn't going to be around in 20 years - but your feet still will be. I really wish I had records of what happened to my feet 20 years ago, but I don't even know the names of the doctors I saw.

Those records are yours and you have every right to copies of EVERYTHING in your file. You may have pay a copying fee.

Let us know how you do!!!

Re: Foot surgery/ Planterfacisa

Barb-NY on 4/25/01 at 13:56 (045682)

Your comments remind me of what happened to me several years ago. I had a bad case of chondomaletia patella (tennis knee) and a torn medial cartlage in my right knee. I went to the Ortho for corrective surgury. Now, this surgury should have been a piece of cake, no major stuff at all...recovery in a few weeks. But, he also suggested doing a lateral release, in which they cut the capsule that holds the knee cap in place and moves it to another location. He said this would prevent the return of the chondromaletia by aligning my knee cap in a better position. He told me it would add a few more weeks to my recovery. Well, I agreed to the additional procedure and have never forgiven myself or my doctor since. My recovery swelled to a year of physical therapy because the knee cap couldn't find it's track and I had trouble bending my knee. Then after all this, my doctor told me that HE DIDN'T THINK THE RELEASE WOULD HAVE HELPED BECAUSE OF THE WAY MY KNEE IS SHAPED AND BECAUSE OF MY MECHANICS. I almost decked him. He never told me any of this BEFORE the operation.
And after all this, the chrondromelatia and the pain did come back. Years later I started taking chondroitin/glucosamine and my knee started to feel much better. Today it's almost painfree.

Re: Foot surgery/ Planterfacisa

Dr. Zuckerman on 4/23/01 at 21:47 (045519)

I wish there was something I could say or do.

Re: Foot surgery/ P.F

Tracey on 4/23/01 at 22:47 (045524)

Thanks for the fast response, I wish there was something you could say or do to make my foot better. Please be upfront and honest about this type of surgery to all who come to this website. It really is a matter of walking and walking with pain and problems forever. I wish I had know more before I trusted someone who said 'don't worry I will make you better'
Tracey

Re: Foot surgery/ Planterfacisa

Jill P on 4/23/01 at hrmin (045525)

Tracey, I am so sorry to hear of your pain. I too think that the surgery is something not to be considered lightly. You probably should have been made more aware of the risks and success rates beforehand. I will say though that I have met a couple people who had it and have not had any problems since. They would not be visiting this website because they no longer have the pain of PF. I know it doesn't help you any, but I did think that it was fair to mention that there are some people who have had success with it.

Personally, I don't think I could be convinced of having the surgery after reading these boards either - and I know people personally who have had success. The risks involved seem to great for me to consider.

I know I can't say anything to help you and this is the board for doctors to respond, but I want to let you know I will keep you in my prayers and hope healing is in the plans for you. I am so sorry that you are hurting so much. Jill P

Re: Foot surgery/ Planterfacisa

wendyn on 4/23/01 at 22:59 (045526)

Tracey - I understand your frustration - and I think you're right. Way too many doctors AND patients rush into foot surgery.

However, this site is NOT a true reflection of success vs. failure on surgery. People who have been cured are out having fun - not searching the net on PF. This gives a very distorted view here of how well it works.

Surgery seems to always be considered a LAST resort, and I think we can all agree that's where it needs to stay.

Re: Foot surgery/ Planterfacisa

Matt P on 4/24/01 at 02:02 (045530)

Dear Tracey,

My heart goes to you.
Reading some of your past postings, seemed like you were looking for some opinion from experts on this board, seemed like you were getting sporadic going nowhere responses and had to repeat your problem again and again.
I have no opinion, just another sufferer who can relate to you. Please don't lose hope. My hope is you come through this hardship in positive way soon.

Re: Foot surgery/ Planterfacisa

Dr. David S. Wander on 4/24/01 at 08:56 (045546)

Tracey,

It is truly unfortunate that you're surgical procedure was not successful and that you are in more pain post operatively. There is nothing that anyone can say to you that will make you feel better. I don't know the doctor that performed your procedure, but I'd like to sincerely hope that he didn't perform the procedure just to make a quick buck. Yes, there are doctors that think that they are holier than thou, but I sincerely believe that is the exception and not the rule. I strongly agree that many times consent forms are signed by patients with inadequate explanation of the risks and complications that are involved with the surgery. In my practice, I devote at least 1/2 hour for a pre op visit for the specific purpose of discussing potential risks and complications that may occur. In 17 years of performing surgery and having these pre-op discussions, I have never had a patient decide to not have the surgery as a result of discussing the risks and complications. (this does not mean that complications have not occurred). Maybe this is because the patients are thankful that they weren't just asked to sign the form with no explanation.

Complications are inherent to ALL surgical procedures, and a bad outcome does not mean that a procedure should never be performed, just as a good outcome doesn't mean a procedure should be performed without the proper indications. Release of the plantar fascia is a procedure that has been overutilized in the past. I treat a very large number of patients with heel pain, and less than 1% of those patients end up with surgical intervention. I personally believe that there are so many conservative procedures available, that surgery for plantar fasciitis is truly a VERY last resort.

My recommendation is to not condemn all doctors for the actions of a few. Concentrate on attempting to find that one doctor that will sympathize with your discomfort and attempt to find a solution to alleviate your pain. I truly hope that you will eventually return to regular activity with little or no discomfort.

Re: Foot surgery/ Planterfacisa

Tammie on 4/24/01 at hrmin (045551)

Dear tracey,
I feel for u . I am sorry that u dont think the surgery helped u. I agree with allot u have stated here,about DR.s to ,that is why I try to stay as far away as I can from them,I am one of those bad people who treat myself for whatever,so as to not have to shop for a Dr. or listen to them question me like I dont know what I am talking about. I had researched my hubbys condition and approached his Dr. once when he first started treatment for his condition I was not rude I came in with questions and stuff I got from reputable medical sites on the internet,I questioned or I should say tryed and he was very defensive and angry with me. I could tell this and it made us all uncomfortable,including my hubby,I now no longer will go with him as I dont want to make waves I just wanted reasons for the choice of treatments and cause and effect. I got along much better withthe nurse practioner which we had regular chats. She was both helpful and understanding to all involved. Even my hubby preferred seeing her and was heartbroken when she left to go back to hospital work. I think as with any profession most Dr. are overworked and Insurance dictates to them to much. They are always worried about lawsuites and sometimes this makes them forget that we are all human beings not cases. They forget yes treatment may be well but maybe life is not,maybe we need just a extra min. to say well how are u overall, do u have any questions that are bothering u? Most seem to be in constant rush form is what I have noticed,and the ones that are not , as my kids dr. they are always trying to look for a problem that is not there. Or give u the run around instead of just saying gee I dont know but lets try to find out.I know they are not God and it takes time . Maybe they dont want the human touch so as not to get to involved thereself? I dont know but I do understand the feeling u have about dr.s. I think as for surgery well we take a chance on any surgeries especially elective as it is a choice then not a emergency,so we tend to blame them for things that do not always work or work as fast as we would like them to. I am the most impatient person around u should ask my family, If the dr. says give me 50% I will give 100 thinking that is better and I can do it or I will die trying lol. I find that obeying is hard for me, I am a no nonesense person tell me facts and what u want exactly dont give me games or piety,but dont keep me in the dark either as I have to start looking for my own answers then as I want to be educated. I do not think we should have to shop for dr.s it is sad who has the time u are sick or hurt now I dont want to see 6 dr.s I want to see 1 or maybe 2 and get fixed with that.I have a gyn who has treated me for 22 years and he is ok, a busy man but I am comfortable with him he knows me I know him,I dont whine he doesnt pull punches.He is honest and treats me as a person. I only see him once or twice a year. When I needed a foot dr. I had no idea what or who to go to,we went with a ortho that hubby dr. recomened, not a good choice or maybe to early, then tryed another on a whim hubby stopped at this place as he had enough and it said specialist in foot and ankle problems well so forth now I am here with my mess or maybe all will be well. A chance that we take. I am a week post op, and have zillions of questions and cant talk to the dr. as he does not have time or skirts my quetion before I get it out of my mouth, but I look for my own answers,I know my body best and I will not give up so please dont give up!!! This is a good site for most, you have a llot of knowledge here and some wonderful caring people , who try to find u some answers and help also goose u when u are feeling the piety party or join u in one LOL now Tracey I am longwinded I have found my fingers enjoy typing lol I am sorry for this but guess it is my only outlet right now as I cannot work my stress away, sit back have a nice cupa whatever u like and read the posts here, it gives allot of insight and maybe lets u know we are never alone . And some of us will get better and those that dont will stand together and keep each other up. Hugs my friend and hope u soon find peace Tammie

Re: Foot surgery/ P.F

Helene M on 4/24/01 at 12:20 (045571)

Tracy, I am so sorry to hear that the surgery has failed. However, are you sure you have 'permanent' damage? If I recall correctly from your previous posts, you saw 2 other drs. after the surgery. Even if they said they could not help you, that does not mean that there is no one out there who can. You need to keep looking.

Re: This is why ESWT needs to be used instead of pf release

Dr. Zuckerman on 4/24/01 at 13:24 (045577)

Sorry but I had to say this for the rest of the doctors and patients on this web site

Re: Foot surgery/ Planterfacisa

claudia, to wendyn on 4/24/01 at 15:22 (045586)

hi wendyn. what you say here has got me thinking that i really should have done some research into the nature of PF surgery before I had the bunionectomy/PF surgery scheduled; i figured the bunion was the biggee and my doc made it sound like no big deal to take care of the plantar fascitis at the same time, that it was 'a very simple procedure' and he would do both since in his opinion the PF was being caused by the severity of the bunion. i feel so stupid now. AND i feel like i was grossly misled by this doctor....not ONCE did he indicate that recovery from PF surgery could be lengthy and totally frustrating. thanks for letting me vent.

Re: Foot surgery/ Planterfacisa

Tracey on 4/24/01 at 17:22 (045599)

Thanks,Dr.Zuckerman, HeleneM., JillP., Wendyn, MattP., Dr.David Wander,

and Tammie,
Thanks everyone for the advice and input. I quess last night I just had enough of the pain and the whole situation, I just needed to vent alittle. This is the only place I can go and people understand what's going on and how I feel. I've had many surgeries in my life and this is the only one that has'nt got better in time. Tahns again for the support you guys are the best!!!!!!! Tracey A

Re: Foot surgery/ Planterfacisa

claudia to tracey on 4/24/01 at 21:16 (045621)

hey tracey.....i had a hysterectomy three years ago and i healed better from THAT than i am healing from foot surgery!!! hang in there...i hope things are better for you soon.

Re: back to Claudia

wendyn on 4/24/01 at 22:46 (045630)

Claudia - please don't feel stupid. Most doctors are good - and most you can trust...we've been raised to know that. Unfortunately - there is the odd one who seems all to happy to cut cut cut without justification. You did what you thought was best at the time so don't beat yourself up.

BUT - I still think you should get a second opinion now. Find a reputable foot and ankle orthepedic surgeon (so it's a different viewpoint). Make the appointment and then request that ALL of your records be copied to the new doctor - xrays, mri's bloodwork etc. You DO NOT have to justify or explain to your first doctor WHY you are seeking a second opinion. You can continue to see the first one for post op care to ensure consistency...but get that second opinion. If you are not comfortable having the records sent to the new doctor then ask for your own copies to bring yourself. If they ask why - say it's because they're YOUR feet. Your doctor's office isn't going to be around in 20 years - but your feet still will be. I really wish I had records of what happened to my feet 20 years ago, but I don't even know the names of the doctors I saw.

Those records are yours and you have every right to copies of EVERYTHING in your file. You may have pay a copying fee.

Let us know how you do!!!

Re: Foot surgery/ Planterfacisa

Barb-NY on 4/25/01 at 13:56 (045682)

Your comments remind me of what happened to me several years ago. I had a bad case of chondomaletia patella (tennis knee) and a torn medial cartlage in my right knee. I went to the Ortho for corrective surgury. Now, this surgury should have been a piece of cake, no major stuff at all...recovery in a few weeks. But, he also suggested doing a lateral release, in which they cut the capsule that holds the knee cap in place and moves it to another location. He said this would prevent the return of the chondromaletia by aligning my knee cap in a better position. He told me it would add a few more weeks to my recovery. Well, I agreed to the additional procedure and have never forgiven myself or my doctor since. My recovery swelled to a year of physical therapy because the knee cap couldn't find it's track and I had trouble bending my knee. Then after all this, my doctor told me that HE DIDN'T THINK THE RELEASE WOULD HAVE HELPED BECAUSE OF THE WAY MY KNEE IS SHAPED AND BECAUSE OF MY MECHANICS. I almost decked him. He never told me any of this BEFORE the operation.
And after all this, the chrondromelatia and the pain did come back. Years later I started taking chondroitin/glucosamine and my knee started to feel much better. Today it's almost painfree.