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Posted by Susan Z on 5/04/01 at 09:04 (046579)

This is a test.

Re: First Time

Cynthia D on 5/04/01 at 16:47 (046634)

Hi Susan, welcome. If you have foot pain, you're in the right place!

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Susan Z on 5/06/01 at 11:09 (046776)

Thanks Cynthia D. I just happen to come across this site quite by chance but I find it incredibly useful. Not only do I feel I'm not the only one suffering but I get alot of hope in reading about the progress that is being made in helping people alleveate their pain and getting insurance companies to pay. I've been told by Dr's. that I have PF, I have tried the usual things, stretching, icing, NSAID's, orthodics, steroid shots, etc. NOTHING WORKS. One of my Dr's referred my to Dr. Weil's in DesPlaines, IL who does ESWT, but my insurance company denied the procedure. So far now, I limp around and live with pain. I'm glad I found this site and I will check in often.

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Julie on 5/06/01 at 12:38 (046785)

Susan, you say nothing works. May I ask a few questions?

- Are you resting, i.e. staying off your feet as much as possible?
- Have you cut out or cut back on whatever activity may have contributed to your PF (running, walking, aerobics, any weight-bearing exercise)?
- Is the stretching you are doing right for you, and are you sure you are stretching correctly?
- Are you wearing shoes with good arch support ALL the time (even when you get up in the night to pee?
- Have you tried taping?

Do read the heel pain book for information and ideas, and these message boards.

Re: First Time

Susan Z on 5/06/01 at 15:05 (046800)

While it's impossible for me to stay off my feet all the time, (I'm an active mom of three school age children), I do rest my feet, mostly because they hurt. I'm pretty good about not doing activities I think will injure my feet more. But in order to function I have to do some things once in awhile. And when I do these things, boy do I pay the price. I actually don't stretch anymore because it didn't help, in fact my feet almost seemed to get worse. I was curious though when I read this board, someone else had mentioned 'isolated stretching specifically for the PF' --- I wondered what this was. I'm told by Dr's that I wear good shoes (wth inserts) but no, not while I'm sleeping and I do pee every single night, sometimes multiple times and the pain is intense. Do wearing shoes to bed help? I've had the Dr's tape my foot which helped temporarily, but I've never attempted it myself. I'm really have big hopes that ESWT is my saving grace. I was pain free for a few months earlier this year for the first time in nine yrs. This following my fourth seroid shot and losing about 15 lbs. I felt like I was in heaven. A normal person again, But then I reinjured them both after transplating some trees. Seems any extra effort I do goes straight to my feet. People tell me not to get anymore steroid shots cuz it does damage to the foot and I kind of believe them cuz just last week or so, I leaped over a 2 ft creek and I think I tore something. Oh well, enough of my problems. It was nice to hear from you Julie. I'll stay tuned to the board. Bye

Re: First Time

Julie on 5/06/01 at 16:36 (046812)

Oh dear, Susan - no more leaping over two-foot creeks, please! Not right away, anyhow.

Sorry - I didn't mean you have to wear shoes in bed/asleep. I meant keep your Birks or whatever by the side of your bed and slip your feet into them to walk to the loo.

night splints? Have you tried them?

I do suggest you have a go at taping. Part 2 of the heel pain book gives instructions, with illustrations. The simplest, two-strip method works well for me. Taping actually rests the fascia, because it provides the support for the arch that has been lost due to the tearing of the fascia, so it doesn't just relieve pain, it is actively working to heal. Try - and let us know how you get on. If you have any problems, just ask.

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Cynthia D on 5/06/01 at 17:10 (046817)

Hi, Julie has some good suggestions for you. You should Never, Ever, walk barefoot. I keep sneakers w/ orthotics next to my bed and point and flex, circle, etc. before weight bearing, and have a little stool in the shower to sit on. I also have three little ones underfoot so it's really really hard to rest. My resting time is time spent in front of the computer with my feet elevated, otherwise, forget it, it's impossible to sit down, and awfully boring unless I'm here. I also find stretching a waste of time and painful. I'm going to try to start stretching again slowly. I bought these special stretchers here but haven't even used them. I think Julie's idea about taping will help. We just need to make the time commitment. I still haven't tried the taping, 30 lashes please! The awful thing about pf I'm discovering is that there is no pot of gold 'magic treatment' at the end of the rainbow. We have to be involved in our cure, boring for sure, but I'll try if you'll try, too!

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Susan Z on 5/07/01 at 09:00 (046869)

Julie and Cynthia --- You both are fantastic. Thanks so much for your ear and the great advise you give. I'm on Part 2 of that book now. I walk around barefoot all the time. Duh. Now I know better and I will leave my shoes at the side of the bed and I will try to tape my feet. One of my Dr.s actually tried to make me night splints out of casting material, but they both broke the first night. Oh well. Thanks again girls. I'll stay in touch.

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Jill P on 5/07/01 at hrmin (046951)

Cynthia, I must take my own 30 lashes as well. I need to try taping too. I am going to try to figure it out from this site. Email me if you find any good tips or pointers! :) Jill P

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Julie on 5/08/01 at hrmin (046999)

Jill, try the simplest technique illustrated in the heel pain book first: two strips of tape connecting the ball of the foot and the heel. You need a good quality tape (try, if you can, to get Leuko tape, made by Beiersdorf) and you need to experiment with the tension. If it's too loose it won't give you the necessary support; if too tight it will be uncomfortable.

If you have any problems, I'll be glad to try to help.

Re: First Time

jason m on 5/09/01 at hrmin (047190)

Hi Susan. I can relate to how you feel. For a long time I found stretching to be painful and it didn't seem to help at all. But I eventually figured out that I was stretching improperly. First of all, You need to make sure you never, ever go barefoot anymore. I bought a couple of pair of Birkenstock sandals for around the house, and I bought a pair of rubber Adidas sports sandals for the shower...these are great because they sort of shape themselves to your feet and are very comfortable (and cheap...about $20). When you stretch make sure you stretch easy and often. Also, I found stretching my entire legs, hamstrings, achilles tendon, etc. to be helpful. And massage has been very beneficial to me as well. Have your husband or somebody give you foot rubs and also try rolling your foot around on a golf ball. Only a year ago or so I couldn't even walk...I was crawling to the bathroom at night, but with a lot of patience and persistence I'm almost completely better now. There are so many things to try that it seems overwhelming, but I think it's just a matter of finding the right combination of treatments and good practices. Good luck and welcome.
Jason M

Re: First Time

Susan Z on 5/11/01 at 11:14 (047463)

Hi Jason,
Thanks for the message. It surprises me that so many other people have the same problem I do. I'll have to get some Birk's. Where do I get them. How much $? What IS the correct way to stretch???

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brendaR. on 5/13/01 at hrmin (047656)

Dear Cynthia and/or Julie:

This is the first time I have used the search to look up PF. I have had terrible pain in both heels for at least six months and have always been flat footed. I saw something on the local news about ESWT but did not get any details. Is there a podiatrist(s) or group in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area that you could recommend that specializes in PF and/or does ESWT? The pain is so bad that it is hard to rest my feet once I'm up because I know that I have to work out the pain once I stand up again and start moving.

Thank you....Brenda R.

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BrianJ on 5/13/01 at 20:26 (047675)

Hi Brenda --

I'd call Dr. Charles Cook at Orthopedic Specialists. He offices at Presbyterian Hospital on Walnut Hill Lane. When one of the Rangers baseball players (Rusty Greer) had a bad case of PF, they sent him to Dr. Cook for ESWT and he got good results. I'm assuming that the Rangers only send their multi-million dollar players to the best doctors.

Hope this helps.

Re: First Time

Cynthia D on 5/04/01 at 16:47 (046634)

Hi Susan, welcome. If you have foot pain, you're in the right place!

Re: First Time

Susan Z on 5/06/01 at 11:09 (046776)

Thanks Cynthia D. I just happen to come across this site quite by chance but I find it incredibly useful. Not only do I feel I'm not the only one suffering but I get alot of hope in reading about the progress that is being made in helping people alleveate their pain and getting insurance companies to pay. I've been told by Dr's. that I have PF, I have tried the usual things, stretching, icing, NSAID's, orthodics, steroid shots, etc. NOTHING WORKS. One of my Dr's referred my to Dr. Weil's in DesPlaines, IL who does ESWT, but my insurance company denied the procedure. So far now, I limp around and live with pain. I'm glad I found this site and I will check in often.

Re: First Time

Julie on 5/06/01 at 12:38 (046785)

Susan, you say nothing works. May I ask a few questions?

- Are you resting, i.e. staying off your feet as much as possible?
- Have you cut out or cut back on whatever activity may have contributed to your PF (running, walking, aerobics, any weight-bearing exercise)?
- Is the stretching you are doing right for you, and are you sure you are stretching correctly?
- Are you wearing shoes with good arch support ALL the time (even when you get up in the night to pee?
- Have you tried taping?

Do read the heel pain book for information and ideas, and these message boards.

Re: First Time

Susan Z on 5/06/01 at 15:05 (046800)

While it's impossible for me to stay off my feet all the time, (I'm an active mom of three school age children), I do rest my feet, mostly because they hurt. I'm pretty good about not doing activities I think will injure my feet more. But in order to function I have to do some things once in awhile. And when I do these things, boy do I pay the price. I actually don't stretch anymore because it didn't help, in fact my feet almost seemed to get worse. I was curious though when I read this board, someone else had mentioned 'isolated stretching specifically for the PF' --- I wondered what this was. I'm told by Dr's that I wear good shoes (wth inserts) but no, not while I'm sleeping and I do pee every single night, sometimes multiple times and the pain is intense. Do wearing shoes to bed help? I've had the Dr's tape my foot which helped temporarily, but I've never attempted it myself. I'm really have big hopes that ESWT is my saving grace. I was pain free for a few months earlier this year for the first time in nine yrs. This following my fourth seroid shot and losing about 15 lbs. I felt like I was in heaven. A normal person again, But then I reinjured them both after transplating some trees. Seems any extra effort I do goes straight to my feet. People tell me not to get anymore steroid shots cuz it does damage to the foot and I kind of believe them cuz just last week or so, I leaped over a 2 ft creek and I think I tore something. Oh well, enough of my problems. It was nice to hear from you Julie. I'll stay tuned to the board. Bye

Re: First Time

Julie on 5/06/01 at 16:36 (046812)

Oh dear, Susan - no more leaping over two-foot creeks, please! Not right away, anyhow.

Sorry - I didn't mean you have to wear shoes in bed/asleep. I meant keep your Birks or whatever by the side of your bed and slip your feet into them to walk to the loo.

night splints? Have you tried them?

I do suggest you have a go at taping. Part 2 of the heel pain book gives instructions, with illustrations. The simplest, two-strip method works well for me. Taping actually rests the fascia, because it provides the support for the arch that has been lost due to the tearing of the fascia, so it doesn't just relieve pain, it is actively working to heal. Try - and let us know how you get on. If you have any problems, just ask.

Re: First Time

Cynthia D on 5/06/01 at 17:10 (046817)

Hi, Julie has some good suggestions for you. You should Never, Ever, walk barefoot. I keep sneakers w/ orthotics next to my bed and point and flex, circle, etc. before weight bearing, and have a little stool in the shower to sit on. I also have three little ones underfoot so it's really really hard to rest. My resting time is time spent in front of the computer with my feet elevated, otherwise, forget it, it's impossible to sit down, and awfully boring unless I'm here. I also find stretching a waste of time and painful. I'm going to try to start stretching again slowly. I bought these special stretchers here but haven't even used them. I think Julie's idea about taping will help. We just need to make the time commitment. I still haven't tried the taping, 30 lashes please! The awful thing about pf I'm discovering is that there is no pot of gold 'magic treatment' at the end of the rainbow. We have to be involved in our cure, boring for sure, but I'll try if you'll try, too!

Re: First Time

Susan Z on 5/07/01 at 09:00 (046869)

Julie and Cynthia --- You both are fantastic. Thanks so much for your ear and the great advise you give. I'm on Part 2 of that book now. I walk around barefoot all the time. Duh. Now I know better and I will leave my shoes at the side of the bed and I will try to tape my feet. One of my Dr.s actually tried to make me night splints out of casting material, but they both broke the first night. Oh well. Thanks again girls. I'll stay in touch.

Re: I was just thinking the same thing

Jill P on 5/07/01 at hrmin (046951)

Cynthia, I must take my own 30 lashes as well. I need to try taping too. I am going to try to figure it out from this site. Email me if you find any good tips or pointers! :) Jill P

Re: I was just thinking the same thing

Julie on 5/08/01 at hrmin (046999)

Jill, try the simplest technique illustrated in the heel pain book first: two strips of tape connecting the ball of the foot and the heel. You need a good quality tape (try, if you can, to get Leuko tape, made by Beiersdorf) and you need to experiment with the tension. If it's too loose it won't give you the necessary support; if too tight it will be uncomfortable.

If you have any problems, I'll be glad to try to help.

Re: First Time

jason m on 5/09/01 at hrmin (047190)

Hi Susan. I can relate to how you feel. For a long time I found stretching to be painful and it didn't seem to help at all. But I eventually figured out that I was stretching improperly. First of all, You need to make sure you never, ever go barefoot anymore. I bought a couple of pair of Birkenstock sandals for around the house, and I bought a pair of rubber Adidas sports sandals for the shower...these are great because they sort of shape themselves to your feet and are very comfortable (and cheap...about $20). When you stretch make sure you stretch easy and often. Also, I found stretching my entire legs, hamstrings, achilles tendon, etc. to be helpful. And massage has been very beneficial to me as well. Have your husband or somebody give you foot rubs and also try rolling your foot around on a golf ball. Only a year ago or so I couldn't even walk...I was crawling to the bathroom at night, but with a lot of patience and persistence I'm almost completely better now. There are so many things to try that it seems overwhelming, but I think it's just a matter of finding the right combination of treatments and good practices. Good luck and welcome.
Jason M

Re: First Time

Susan Z on 5/11/01 at 11:14 (047463)

Hi Jason,
Thanks for the message. It surprises me that so many other people have the same problem I do. I'll have to get some Birk's. Where do I get them. How much $? What IS the correct way to stretch???

Re: First Time

brendaR. on 5/13/01 at hrmin (047656)

Dear Cynthia and/or Julie:

This is the first time I have used the search to look up PF. I have had terrible pain in both heels for at least six months and have always been flat footed. I saw something on the local news about ESWT but did not get any details. Is there a podiatrist(s) or group in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area that you could recommend that specializes in PF and/or does ESWT? The pain is so bad that it is hard to rest my feet once I'm up because I know that I have to work out the pain once I stand up again and start moving.

Thank you....Brenda R.

Re: First Time

BrianJ on 5/13/01 at 20:26 (047675)

Hi Brenda --

I'd call Dr. Charles Cook at Orthopedic Specialists. He offices at Presbyterian Hospital on Walnut Hill Lane. When one of the Rangers baseball players (Rusty Greer) had a bad case of PF, they sent him to Dr. Cook for ESWT and he got good results. I'm assuming that the Rangers only send their multi-million dollar players to the best doctors.

Hope this helps.