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What kind of shoes should I get for my new orthotics?

Posted by Nancy F. on 5/10/01 at 23:27 (047410)

Hi, I am so excited. I pick up my custimised orthotics tomorrow. I dont know whether to get shoes or the nike air balance that i read alot about. One of the reasons i am a little hopeful of this orthotic helping(itried many in the paat) is that DR.Z recc. this podiatrist to me since he speaks highly of him and did not want me to have to travel 2 hrs to see him.I have very flat feet and pf for about 20 years now. please wish me luck. I do need to find a somewhat decent looking shoe to wear them in. Any suggestions? Also today I wore these sandles that look like bireckenstocks but they are called fits. Ever hear of these? Well my feet dont burn or hurt at all tonight. amazing!!! I have not been able to say that for years. There must b something special about the way these shoes keep your foor streched or something. I know this is a very popular brand & a periothiotist sold them to me. He said the arch in birks were to hard for me. Oh well I look forward to your responses. thankyou, nancy in NewJersey!

Re: What kind of shoes should I get for my new orthotics?

Jason M on 5/11/01 at hrmin (047430)

Hi Nancy,
if you are looking for athletic shoes I would have to recommend the New Balance. I tried the Reebok dmx and nike, but the new balance were easily the most accomodating for my orthotics. They seem to be a bit deeper and wider so the orthotic doesn't use up as much space. But I would recommend setting aside a good amount of time for shoe shopping, try on a pair that you like and wear them around the store for a little while before you buy them. I haven't heard of 'fits' but my mother-in-law has PF and she swears by 'Clarks' shoes. The ones she has are actually pretty fashionable too.
Have fun!,
Jason

Re: What kind of shoes should I get for my new orthotics?

Nancy N on 5/11/01 at 08:26 (047434)

Nancy--are you in NJ, too? Don't tell me we have two 'Nancies in New Jersey!' :) Where is the pod you went to? I am currently without foot-doc, so if you're anywhere near Princeton, I'd love to have a name in case of emergencies!

Re: What kind of shoes should I get for my new orthotics?

Richard, C.Ped on 5/11/01 at 08:39 (047437)

Hi Nancy,
I am with Jason. I am a huge fan of New Balance. The do come in widths and there is plenty of room in the toe box for your toes and a full lenght orthosis.

Remember to slowly break youself into the new supports. It may take longer with your flat feet. You may want to go from 15-30 min per day for a couple of days. Increase another 15-30 when your feet allow you to. Don't overdo it or force yoursef to get used to them.

Good luck to you. Let us know how the orthotics work for you.
Richard

Re: Re:New Balance There are so many and they sometimes have numbers which ones????

Tammie on 5/11/01 at 09:34 (047445)

I am so sorry for interuping this thread but interested in the same thing to . New balance has many many shoes which ones or the numbers??? I to have flat feet and have the orthodtics,foot used to roll to inside now orthodic does not allow it to . Thanks ! And thanks Nancy for getting this thread lol. I am sorry to barge in .

Re: Re:New Balance There are so many and they sometimes have numbers which ones????

jason m on 5/11/01 at hrmin (047449)

Hi again tammie. The shoes I have are in the 800 series of crosstrainers. I think they are the WX892GR. You will probably just have to go shoe shopping and try some on to find the right type for you. I noticed while I was shoe shopping that the models feel quite different from each other, so it's up to the individual. I myself like the cross trainers though. Here's a link to their website if it helps: http://www.newbalance.com/shop/shoes/index.html

Re: Re:New Balance There are so many and they sometimes have numbers which ones????

CatherineL on 5/11/01 at 16:25 (047510)

My phisiotherapist had some great pointers on shoe purchase which has made a hugh difference for me.

1. When looking at the sole, make sure there is a natural curve inward much like your feet naturally have.

2. When holding the shoes, one hand on each end, bend inward, the shoe should bend only at the front of the foot. (not in the middle)

3. When holding the shoes one hand on each end, twist them, they should not twist much if at all.

4. For orthotics, ensure there is enough depth in the shoe.

5. Good heel support - firm around the heel and not to wide for your heel.

Since runners are not me, I have a pair of Footsaver MaryJanes for the office & Naot sandals for summer. Both met all the above criteria and have helped a great deal. (and were very pricey - but worth it).

I now follow this when purchasing shoes for my husband and kids.

CL

Re: Re:New Balance There are so many and they sometimes have numbers which ones????

Julie on 5/11/01 at 16:43 (047514)

Tammie, the New Balance 853 is meant to be a good shoe for ove-pronation.

Re: Re:New Balance There are so many and they sometimes have numbers which ones????

Nancy N on 5/11/01 at 16:58 (047516)

New Balance makes a lot of 'motion control' shoes. I have the T121, which is a new model that my pedorthist just loves. (Mine is a men's shoe, I don't know if there is an equivalent women's shoe, and if so, what it would be called).

I would recommend finding someone who really knows shoes, and really knows New Balance (like a pedorthist, or a high-end shoe store where they still measure your feet and make sure everything fits right). I had previously chosen a shoe that was completely the wrong shape for my foot, with the consequence that my little toes had all but rubbed through the shoe! I never would have realized what a difference the outside shape of the shoe makes if the pedorthist hadn't gone over all this with me. You may pay a little more for the shoes this way, but as far as I'm concerned, it's well worth the money to have a good shoe that fits well.

Re: Re:New Balance There are so many and they sometimes have numbers which ones????

Andrea R. on 5/14/01 at 10:50 (047709)

Tammie,

Try http://www.newbalance.com/shop/ - go to shoes and you can enter what type of shoe you need and what you need to correct and it gives you a list of which models to try. Good luck.

Re: Re:New Balance There are so many and they sometimes have numbers which ones????

Tammie on 5/14/01 at 12:30 (047718)

Thank U !!!!!!!

Re: Re:New Balance There are so many and they sometimes have numbers which ones????

Cynthia D on 5/14/01 at 14:58 (047729)

Tammie, I've had a lot of comfort wearing the NB 851's, recommended by someone here a long time ago. Most shoe stores don't stock all models, so you may have to order a few on line, then return what doesn't work.

Re: What kind of shoes should I get for my new orthotics?

Burt H. certified pedorthist on 5/14/01 at hrmin (047736)

Nancy--I deal with 20 to 25 cases a week of plantar fasciitis and utilize a program I developed that has a greater than 90% success rate with off-the- shelf orthotics and 97% success rate with custom. One thing I can tell you--the best orthotic in the world isn't going to help you much if you put it in the wrong kind of shoe! If you want an athletic shoe, there is only 1 brand to consider and that is New Balance--but not all New Balance. The overwhelming number of patients I work with overpronate--their arches fall and the foot elongates, causing a tearing of the pf.
To control the damaging biomechanics that are causing the damage, it must be one of their shoes designed to control over-pronation. The shoes they offer that will help are in their running and walking categories, more specifically: w841, ww754. w762, w852. Stick with one of these styles and you'll be fine. If using a 3/4 orthotic leave orginal insole in and put it on top. If full-length, take original insole out and replace with full-length orthotic.
Nancy, be sure to have your foot measured, as most pf cases I deal with, they are wearing their shoe anywhere from 1/2 to 2 full sizes too small. The feet are very dynamic and they change as we age. They come in widths and you normally have to go to a wider width also. These shoes have medial posts or medial wedges to control the overpronation plus very stiff midsoles with great rocker soles to control the over-dorsiflexion of the toes--another factor in the damage of the pf. They also have sufficient heel elevation to relieve some tension on the calves and achilles tendon.

As far as casual shoes to wear with your orthotics you must go to medical grade shoes like P.W. Minor and Drew--choose ones that have firm heel counters--squeeze the shoe at the heel--it should not give much when you squeeze. This will give the orthotic something to support against. A flimsy heel counter won't allow your orthotic to control the foot. Also choose a 1' to 1 and 1/2'heel and make sure soles, particularly middle part doesn't flex easily or best, not at all. Regular shoes like easy spirit, naturalizer, even SAS aren't suitable for this condition.

Shoes that can be worn without your orthotics include all Birkenstocks, most Danskos, Helle Comfort (a.k.a. Romu's), and most Haflinger's--all Euro-shoes with anatomically correct footbeds. Also, don't go barefoot or unsupported at all!!!!!!!!even a few steps to bathroom at night. Get a pair of birkenstock waterproof Barbados to use as your houseshoes--they'll become your favorite shoes--going barefoot a cardinal sin!
Wear the right shoes; do your stretching and icing: take your anti-inflammatories and you can heal!!takes 10 to 12- weeks. You'll experience soreness in arch and instep for couple weeks, feet will be a little more tired at end of day and lower legs may get sore. After 2 weeks you should have adjusted to this routine........Good Luck...update us with your progress....Burt H. Board Certified Pedorthist P.S. Be sure your shoes have 1/4 inch minimum between the end of your longest toe and the end of the shoe.

Re: What kind of shoes should I get for my new orthotics?

Brian M. (in New Jersey too!) on 5/16/01 at hrmin (047957)

Hi nancy!
I have a pod that I went to and not greatly pleased (--although he did recommend this site!) But a co worker of mine absolutely RAVES about her Pod. If you give me an E-Mail, I'll send you his Name and location. Are you near Westfield?

later,
B.

Re: What kind of shoes should I get for my new orthotics?

Bob. J. on 5/19/01 at 22:19 (048321)

Burt--thanks for your informative advice on footwear!

Re: What kind of shoes should I get for my new orthotics?

Nancy f. on 5/20/01 at hrmin (048426)

Dear Burt, I sincerely appreciate you taking the time to educate us about the NewBalance. I have looked up the models and the 3 I like are W1121mc,w854w they r running and the next one 841 is walking. Don't know what to do since a few people said running are stronger. Again I have pf am overweight by 80 lbs and have very flat burning feet. I just had custom orthotics made. Please help me so that i can order a pair on line. also if I am a 9 wide in shoes do I get a 9 and a half wide in newsbalance? Thankyou so much. Nancy F.

Re: What kind of shoes should I get for my new orthotics?

Burt H. on 5/20/01 at hrmin (048428)

Nancy---without evaluating your gait and heel alignment, I would have to say the best bet is to go with the 1121 as it is the most stable of all models. It has a medial and lateral wedge and really forces a more proper gait. It also has a very stiff midsole--a definite requirement in order for the rocker bottom to function properly.
The 1121 fits shorter than any of the new balance styles I'm familiar with, so I would recommend a full size longer in the wider width. You want to have about 1/4 to 1/3 of an inch between your longest toe and end of shoe.
I successfully use and interchange the running and walking styles that I mentioned before. You will find no real functional advantage between the 'proper' style of running or walking shoes I've mentioned. The only exception being the 1121 which has the additional lateral wedging.
If you don't get 1121, my second choice for you would be the ww841.
Good luck. You can email me personally if you wish.
Sincerely
Burt H. C.Ped

Re: What kind of shoes should I get for my new orthotics?

Julie on 5/21/01 at 02:45 (048431)

Nancy, can't you get to a specialist shop that stocks New Balance so that you can be correctly fitted? I would not recommend your buying shoes you haven't tried on except as a last resort, and then only if you know they will take them back without demur if they don't fit. Even then, there is no substitute for correct fitting by someone who is skilled, knows what you need, and isn't trying to sell you something.

Re: What kind of shoes should I get for my new orthotics?

Nancy f. on 5/23/01 at 19:51 (048702)

ok I bought my NewBalance 1121 tonight. My orthotics went in beautifully. I am really excited bout this. They look like they r built very sturdy. Thankyou all for your help especially Burt and those who posted the NewBalance websites. I was able to look at all of the selection and write to the people who are trained in NewBalance. So wish me luck and if I get a great deal of inprovement I may even b able to start walking 20 min a day and get rid of some of this weight. i will b sure to keep u all posted. nancy F. NewJersey

Re: Any shoe suggestions for High Arches?

Donna SL on 5/23/01 at 21:49 (048719)

Hi Burt,

What shoe suggestions have you made for high arched supinators? It's really a struggle to find athletic shoes, or any walking shoes for that matter for high arches. I still need a lot of support, ie. good heel counter, supportive rocker type midsole, sufficient heel lift, etc., but it must also be very cushioned in the forefoot, and be laterally stable. A decent size toe box is also important. Basically a well made shoe without medial posting.

Most of the athletic shoe companies put the bells and whistles in their higher end shoes that are geared for over pronators, and flatter feet. Shoes like the 1121, 851-4, Brooks Beast,etc., are disasterous for me. New Balance's neutral shoes are probably the worse of all the manufacturers. They are too mushy, unstable, and have little support, and cushion. Once in a while I get lucky, and find a good cross trainer with a flexible forefoot. They work well because they have a wide base of support, and have lateral reinforcements, but a lot of them are too stiff in the forefoot, and flat feeling. I just recently found a high end running shoe to be used for walking from Asics (nimbus 2) that is somewhat decent, after trying on tons of shoes. Manufactures just don't get it. Most of the time that I see a shoe marketed for a high arches it is just some soft marshmallow.

Also do you know of any decent looking shoes that could pass for a regular street shoe, like a plain oxford, that is made for my foot type that could be used for several hours of walking? Mephisto's didn't fit right, Birkenstocks killed me, etc., etc.. It's very difficult to find a casual shoe that has decent forefoot cushion, and also the support my foot type needs.

Any shoe models that you could suggest that have been successful for high arches would be very much appreciated.

Donna

Re: Any shoe suggestions for High Arches?

Burt H.-C.Ped on 6/03/01 at 21:45 (049797)

Dear Donna,
Sorry for the delay in my response as I haven't visited this site in a while. You didn't state whether or not you had a particular foot problem you were addressing other than the fact that you had high arches. Manufacturers that address people with high arches are addressing the problem by giving you more depth through the instep of the shoe so that it won't be tight through this area. No one actually manufactures an athletic shoe with a high arch in the insole of the shoe because the 'pes cavus' type of foot you have is exhibited in only a small segment of the population. If they manufactured a shoe with an arch high enough to accomodate your foot type, then most of the population would not be able to tolerate; therefore it would not be cost-effective for them to offer such a shoe and this is unfortunate for you.
Your best bet is to purchase a shoe that is structurally strong with a strong heel counter extended medially, a firm mid-sole and rocker bottom and deep through the instep. To this you should add a custom 'total-contact orthotic' with a medium-density posting as firm posting is not proper for pes cavus type feet. You would probably also benefit from a lateral wedge as this would address any heel varus and encourage some pronation.
A 'total-contact orthotic' would be full length and should be of a triple-laminated combination of plastozote-poron-eva and posted with an eva of about 35 durometer. Contact a competent C.Ped in your area and he will understand what I am talking about. The best shoe that comes to mind is an extra-depth walking shoe by P.W. Minor called the 'Sport Lady'. It comes in all white and all black and comes in 5 or 6 widths.Good Luck!

Re: What kind of shoes should I get for my new orthotics?

Elaine on 6/10/01 at 22:21 (050413)

Thanks for your information. I did purchase w854 last week which appears to be helping. I'm so thrilled that I may be getting some help! What is your recommendations for orthotics, stretching and icing? What I have been doing for 6 months has not worked - under a Pedorthist's care. Your help is very much appreciated!

Re: What kind of shoes should I get for my new orthotics?

Jason M on 5/11/01 at hrmin (047430)

Hi Nancy,
if you are looking for athletic shoes I would have to recommend the New Balance. I tried the Reebok dmx and nike, but the new balance were easily the most accomodating for my orthotics. They seem to be a bit deeper and wider so the orthotic doesn't use up as much space. But I would recommend setting aside a good amount of time for shoe shopping, try on a pair that you like and wear them around the store for a little while before you buy them. I haven't heard of 'fits' but my mother-in-law has PF and she swears by 'Clarks' shoes. The ones she has are actually pretty fashionable too.
Have fun!,
Jason

Re: What kind of shoes should I get for my new orthotics?

Nancy N on 5/11/01 at 08:26 (047434)

Nancy--are you in NJ, too? Don't tell me we have two 'Nancies in New Jersey!' :) Where is the pod you went to? I am currently without foot-doc, so if you're anywhere near Princeton, I'd love to have a name in case of emergencies!

Re: What kind of shoes should I get for my new orthotics?

Richard, C.Ped on 5/11/01 at 08:39 (047437)

Hi Nancy,
I am with Jason. I am a huge fan of New Balance. The do come in widths and there is plenty of room in the toe box for your toes and a full lenght orthosis.

Remember to slowly break youself into the new supports. It may take longer with your flat feet. You may want to go from 15-30 min per day for a couple of days. Increase another 15-30 when your feet allow you to. Don't overdo it or force yoursef to get used to them.

Good luck to you. Let us know how the orthotics work for you.
Richard

Re: Re:New Balance There are so many and they sometimes have numbers which ones????

Tammie on 5/11/01 at 09:34 (047445)

I am so sorry for interuping this thread but interested in the same thing to . New balance has many many shoes which ones or the numbers??? I to have flat feet and have the orthodtics,foot used to roll to inside now orthodic does not allow it to . Thanks ! And thanks Nancy for getting this thread lol. I am sorry to barge in .

Re: Re:New Balance There are so many and they sometimes have numbers which ones????

jason m on 5/11/01 at hrmin (047449)

Hi again tammie. The shoes I have are in the 800 series of crosstrainers. I think they are the WX892GR. You will probably just have to go shoe shopping and try some on to find the right type for you. I noticed while I was shoe shopping that the models feel quite different from each other, so it's up to the individual. I myself like the cross trainers though. Here's a link to their website if it helps: http://www.newbalance.com/shop/shoes/index.html

Re: Re:New Balance There are so many and they sometimes have numbers which ones????

CatherineL on 5/11/01 at 16:25 (047510)

My phisiotherapist had some great pointers on shoe purchase which has made a hugh difference for me.

1. When looking at the sole, make sure there is a natural curve inward much like your feet naturally have.

2. When holding the shoes, one hand on each end, bend inward, the shoe should bend only at the front of the foot. (not in the middle)

3. When holding the shoes one hand on each end, twist them, they should not twist much if at all.

4. For orthotics, ensure there is enough depth in the shoe.

5. Good heel support - firm around the heel and not to wide for your heel.

Since runners are not me, I have a pair of Footsaver MaryJanes for the office & Naot sandals for summer. Both met all the above criteria and have helped a great deal. (and were very pricey - but worth it).

I now follow this when purchasing shoes for my husband and kids.

CL

Re: Re:New Balance There are so many and they sometimes have numbers which ones????

Julie on 5/11/01 at 16:43 (047514)

Tammie, the New Balance 853 is meant to be a good shoe for ove-pronation.

Re: Re:New Balance There are so many and they sometimes have numbers which ones????

Nancy N on 5/11/01 at 16:58 (047516)

New Balance makes a lot of 'motion control' shoes. I have the T121, which is a new model that my pedorthist just loves. (Mine is a men's shoe, I don't know if there is an equivalent women's shoe, and if so, what it would be called).

I would recommend finding someone who really knows shoes, and really knows New Balance (like a pedorthist, or a high-end shoe store where they still measure your feet and make sure everything fits right). I had previously chosen a shoe that was completely the wrong shape for my foot, with the consequence that my little toes had all but rubbed through the shoe! I never would have realized what a difference the outside shape of the shoe makes if the pedorthist hadn't gone over all this with me. You may pay a little more for the shoes this way, but as far as I'm concerned, it's well worth the money to have a good shoe that fits well.

Re: Re:New Balance There are so many and they sometimes have numbers which ones????

Andrea R. on 5/14/01 at 10:50 (047709)

Tammie,

Try http://www.newbalance.com/shop/ - go to shoes and you can enter what type of shoe you need and what you need to correct and it gives you a list of which models to try. Good luck.

Re: Re:New Balance There are so many and they sometimes have numbers which ones????

Tammie on 5/14/01 at 12:30 (047718)

Thank U !!!!!!!

Re: Re:New Balance There are so many and they sometimes have numbers which ones????

Cynthia D on 5/14/01 at 14:58 (047729)

Tammie, I've had a lot of comfort wearing the NB 851's, recommended by someone here a long time ago. Most shoe stores don't stock all models, so you may have to order a few on line, then return what doesn't work.

Re: What kind of shoes should I get for my new orthotics?

Burt H. certified pedorthist on 5/14/01 at hrmin (047736)

Nancy--I deal with 20 to 25 cases a week of plantar fasciitis and utilize a program I developed that has a greater than 90% success rate with off-the- shelf orthotics and 97% success rate with custom. One thing I can tell you--the best orthotic in the world isn't going to help you much if you put it in the wrong kind of shoe! If you want an athletic shoe, there is only 1 brand to consider and that is New Balance--but not all New Balance. The overwhelming number of patients I work with overpronate--their arches fall and the foot elongates, causing a tearing of the pf.
To control the damaging biomechanics that are causing the damage, it must be one of their shoes designed to control over-pronation. The shoes they offer that will help are in their running and walking categories, more specifically: w841, ww754. w762, w852. Stick with one of these styles and you'll be fine. If using a 3/4 orthotic leave orginal insole in and put it on top. If full-length, take original insole out and replace with full-length orthotic.
Nancy, be sure to have your foot measured, as most pf cases I deal with, they are wearing their shoe anywhere from 1/2 to 2 full sizes too small. The feet are very dynamic and they change as we age. They come in widths and you normally have to go to a wider width also. These shoes have medial posts or medial wedges to control the overpronation plus very stiff midsoles with great rocker soles to control the over-dorsiflexion of the toes--another factor in the damage of the pf. They also have sufficient heel elevation to relieve some tension on the calves and achilles tendon.

As far as casual shoes to wear with your orthotics you must go to medical grade shoes like P.W. Minor and Drew--choose ones that have firm heel counters--squeeze the shoe at the heel--it should not give much when you squeeze. This will give the orthotic something to support against. A flimsy heel counter won't allow your orthotic to control the foot. Also choose a 1' to 1 and 1/2'heel and make sure soles, particularly middle part doesn't flex easily or best, not at all. Regular shoes like easy spirit, naturalizer, even SAS aren't suitable for this condition.

Shoes that can be worn without your orthotics include all Birkenstocks, most Danskos, Helle Comfort (a.k.a. Romu's), and most Haflinger's--all Euro-shoes with anatomically correct footbeds. Also, don't go barefoot or unsupported at all!!!!!!!!even a few steps to bathroom at night. Get a pair of birkenstock waterproof Barbados to use as your houseshoes--they'll become your favorite shoes--going barefoot a cardinal sin!
Wear the right shoes; do your stretching and icing: take your anti-inflammatories and you can heal!!takes 10 to 12- weeks. You'll experience soreness in arch and instep for couple weeks, feet will be a little more tired at end of day and lower legs may get sore. After 2 weeks you should have adjusted to this routine........Good Luck...update us with your progress....Burt H. Board Certified Pedorthist P.S. Be sure your shoes have 1/4 inch minimum between the end of your longest toe and the end of the shoe.

Re: What kind of shoes should I get for my new orthotics?

Brian M. (in New Jersey too!) on 5/16/01 at hrmin (047957)

Hi nancy!
I have a pod that I went to and not greatly pleased (--although he did recommend this site!) But a co worker of mine absolutely RAVES about her Pod. If you give me an E-Mail, I'll send you his Name and location. Are you near Westfield?

later,
B.

Re: What kind of shoes should I get for my new orthotics?

Bob. J. on 5/19/01 at 22:19 (048321)

Burt--thanks for your informative advice on footwear!

Re: What kind of shoes should I get for my new orthotics?

Nancy f. on 5/20/01 at hrmin (048426)

Dear Burt, I sincerely appreciate you taking the time to educate us about the NewBalance. I have looked up the models and the 3 I like are W1121mc,w854w they r running and the next one 841 is walking. Don't know what to do since a few people said running are stronger. Again I have pf am overweight by 80 lbs and have very flat burning feet. I just had custom orthotics made. Please help me so that i can order a pair on line. also if I am a 9 wide in shoes do I get a 9 and a half wide in newsbalance? Thankyou so much. Nancy F.

Re: What kind of shoes should I get for my new orthotics?

Burt H. on 5/20/01 at hrmin (048428)

Nancy---without evaluating your gait and heel alignment, I would have to say the best bet is to go with the 1121 as it is the most stable of all models. It has a medial and lateral wedge and really forces a more proper gait. It also has a very stiff midsole--a definite requirement in order for the rocker bottom to function properly.
The 1121 fits shorter than any of the new balance styles I'm familiar with, so I would recommend a full size longer in the wider width. You want to have about 1/4 to 1/3 of an inch between your longest toe and end of shoe.
I successfully use and interchange the running and walking styles that I mentioned before. You will find no real functional advantage between the 'proper' style of running or walking shoes I've mentioned. The only exception being the 1121 which has the additional lateral wedging.
If you don't get 1121, my second choice for you would be the ww841.
Good luck. You can email me personally if you wish.
Sincerely
Burt H. C.Ped

Re: What kind of shoes should I get for my new orthotics?

Julie on 5/21/01 at 02:45 (048431)

Nancy, can't you get to a specialist shop that stocks New Balance so that you can be correctly fitted? I would not recommend your buying shoes you haven't tried on except as a last resort, and then only if you know they will take them back without demur if they don't fit. Even then, there is no substitute for correct fitting by someone who is skilled, knows what you need, and isn't trying to sell you something.

Re: What kind of shoes should I get for my new orthotics?

Nancy f. on 5/23/01 at 19:51 (048702)

ok I bought my NewBalance 1121 tonight. My orthotics went in beautifully. I am really excited bout this. They look like they r built very sturdy. Thankyou all for your help especially Burt and those who posted the NewBalance websites. I was able to look at all of the selection and write to the people who are trained in NewBalance. So wish me luck and if I get a great deal of inprovement I may even b able to start walking 20 min a day and get rid of some of this weight. i will b sure to keep u all posted. nancy F. NewJersey

Re: Any shoe suggestions for High Arches?

Donna SL on 5/23/01 at 21:49 (048719)

Hi Burt,

What shoe suggestions have you made for high arched supinators? It's really a struggle to find athletic shoes, or any walking shoes for that matter for high arches. I still need a lot of support, ie. good heel counter, supportive rocker type midsole, sufficient heel lift, etc., but it must also be very cushioned in the forefoot, and be laterally stable. A decent size toe box is also important. Basically a well made shoe without medial posting.

Most of the athletic shoe companies put the bells and whistles in their higher end shoes that are geared for over pronators, and flatter feet. Shoes like the 1121, 851-4, Brooks Beast,etc., are disasterous for me. New Balance's neutral shoes are probably the worse of all the manufacturers. They are too mushy, unstable, and have little support, and cushion. Once in a while I get lucky, and find a good cross trainer with a flexible forefoot. They work well because they have a wide base of support, and have lateral reinforcements, but a lot of them are too stiff in the forefoot, and flat feeling. I just recently found a high end running shoe to be used for walking from Asics (nimbus 2) that is somewhat decent, after trying on tons of shoes. Manufactures just don't get it. Most of the time that I see a shoe marketed for a high arches it is just some soft marshmallow.

Also do you know of any decent looking shoes that could pass for a regular street shoe, like a plain oxford, that is made for my foot type that could be used for several hours of walking? Mephisto's didn't fit right, Birkenstocks killed me, etc., etc.. It's very difficult to find a casual shoe that has decent forefoot cushion, and also the support my foot type needs.

Any shoe models that you could suggest that have been successful for high arches would be very much appreciated.

Donna

Re: Any shoe suggestions for High Arches?

Burt H.-C.Ped on 6/03/01 at 21:45 (049797)

Dear Donna,
Sorry for the delay in my response as I haven't visited this site in a while. You didn't state whether or not you had a particular foot problem you were addressing other than the fact that you had high arches. Manufacturers that address people with high arches are addressing the problem by giving you more depth through the instep of the shoe so that it won't be tight through this area. No one actually manufactures an athletic shoe with a high arch in the insole of the shoe because the 'pes cavus' type of foot you have is exhibited in only a small segment of the population. If they manufactured a shoe with an arch high enough to accomodate your foot type, then most of the population would not be able to tolerate; therefore it would not be cost-effective for them to offer such a shoe and this is unfortunate for you.
Your best bet is to purchase a shoe that is structurally strong with a strong heel counter extended medially, a firm mid-sole and rocker bottom and deep through the instep. To this you should add a custom 'total-contact orthotic' with a medium-density posting as firm posting is not proper for pes cavus type feet. You would probably also benefit from a lateral wedge as this would address any heel varus and encourage some pronation.
A 'total-contact orthotic' would be full length and should be of a triple-laminated combination of plastozote-poron-eva and posted with an eva of about 35 durometer. Contact a competent C.Ped in your area and he will understand what I am talking about. The best shoe that comes to mind is an extra-depth walking shoe by P.W. Minor called the 'Sport Lady'. It comes in all white and all black and comes in 5 or 6 widths.Good Luck!

Re: What kind of shoes should I get for my new orthotics?

Elaine on 6/10/01 at 22:21 (050413)

Thanks for your information. I did purchase w854 last week which appears to be helping. I'm so thrilled that I may be getting some help! What is your recommendations for orthotics, stretching and icing? What I have been doing for 6 months has not worked - under a Pedorthist's care. Your help is very much appreciated!