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Posted by BG CPed on 8/12/01 at 13:29 (056466)

I was wondering what the view is on 'foor adjustment' I have seen 2 pt in the last month that claimed their Chiro was 'adjusting' the bones in the foot. One had a hypermobile short dorsiflexed 1st which allowed over pronation and a large callous in the 2nd met head. She claimed her DC was adjusting so the met head would re-align to make pain and callus go away.
My feeling is that is nonsense. I know adjustment can make soft tissue feel better in some cases, but to realign bone seems like a stretch.

The same pt had a structure short tibia by about 1 inch. He never got her to try a heel lift but had her going back 1-2 times per month for years when a $5 chunk of rubber under heel would probably fix it.

Re: overweight

john h on 8/12/01 at 14:24 (056471)

i hope i do not offend anyone but i prefer overweight as opposed to fat when refering to men or women. there an undersirable connotation (IMHO) with fat men or fat women that goes beyond just weight. medically i think overweight people are referred to as obese. some of you may tell me to stuff it and i shall make no further suggestions on this subject.

Re: overweight

Scott R on 8/12/01 at 16:01 (056478)

John, no one will tell you to stuff it because I'm just about the only skinny one here. Oops, make that I'm the only normal-weight human that posts here (5'9' 145 lbs). I'm sure all the fat people here will not object to the politically correct 3-syllables 'overweight' in exchange for the more efficient 1-syllable 'fat'. I guess I'm to proving my point that skinny (oops did it again...normal weight) people are mean. Besides, as a guy, I get harassed and ridiculed as much as fat women for being 'skinny', and often by fat women.

Re: overweight

Tammie on 8/12/01 at 16:46 (056480)

Well here goes nothing, I have read many a post here and to me this seems a bit unusual that it should be ignored, No matter what a persons weight is, they are still human beings and have feelings. Unfortunantly it seems that some were tossed and struck out and lashed out for some not so nice of things they said , which is not my choice. But I am wondering how such things can be let go , Some people do have weight problems and some people do not have control over some issues. I have seen much as I work in medical area> I am very disturbed and very upset to how far this is going be it jokes on large women or men or be it on thin, I personaly do not think it is necesarry! I am wondering, what You would think is aceptable. I am not saying this for my own self as Noone really knows what I look like but what does it matter if I am 145 lbs or 200+ I thought this was a place to help people and to nourish good friendships, I am deeply saddened to the turn here , I have a friend who visits here who is a large person I think she is wonderful and personally I do not care what her weight is but you people have hurt her feelings and she will most likely not return, cause what may seem a joke to u was serious business to her, you should maybe not be so harsh to judge people by there weight . See them for the real person that they are, after all My momma says it all comes around in time and dont say never that u will not be there cause it might hit u or maybe those u love close to u and how would u feel to hear this kinda talk?I think I have learned a lesson today by reading here, maybe this is not such a helpful site to here u talk about people this way! My granny is heavy or fat or what ever u want to say and I love her dearly and guess what she is a neet person ! I had another granny to and she was thin as a rail and guess what I loved her dearly to and she was a neet person to! As a person I could not see a weight issue in either I loved them for themselves as I do any one. Again I may get slapped here or dumped on and really I dont care it is my thought on this and I really wish this would stop as there are very nice people in both groups! You have taken a issue and made a joke out of it but in turn it hurt someone and u should be ashamed! This is my feelings whether u own the board or not u should be responsible, and a responsible people dont hurt people! Not in my book!

Re: overweight/John

Tammie on 8/12/01 at 16:55 (056482)

i respect you very much John as unfortuantly not everyone is blessed with the perfect bodies, and some are yes a bit larger but the people in them do have feelings. If you think u are in trouble wait to u read what I wrote! You can be whatever you want to be and that will not change my feelings about you, just it is waht comes from the heart that makes the difference! And gee As for being a health problem over weight, well there are as many for being underweight to! Our society has become not only a fast food society but also opinionated to what persay is the aceptable body. And if you do some reserch you go back to many years ago many lol u will see many of the women and men were quite large also as we didnt have our skim milk and diet type foods and foods were cooked in lard and butter and well such and to say that they were lazy, I dont think so they worked hard and had lots of exercise! Seems to be what the familiy genes are like or maybe a metoblicim is sorry awful speller and typer for that matter! There have always been different shapes of the body but aside from that they all have the same heart and insides! Have a good day I respect what u have stated!

Re: overweight

Scott R on 8/12/01 at 17:22 (056484)

That was very eloquent Tammie. In my defense I wasn't joking and I have been fat. Here's a flower to mark the end of my meanness.


Re: overweight/Scott

Tammie on 8/12/01 at 17:58 (056486)

In your defense I figured u were not joking and If I could see that then u know many others have to, And if you were a so what u called (fat person ) and that kinda sticks in my mouth as I do not like to refer to any 'person' as fat as to me I dont see that , I might if u took it out of there body and put it in front of me, Then u would know of the feelings and the issues that acompany this problem! And this will not help any one! So I hope that the flower u posted heals the hurt that you have put on some dear womans heart! And For me I really do hope it puts a end to the insensitvity on a whole other disease, which I feel sure it is! That is another site I am sure. And hopefully you can be a bit more gentle in your termonology,Heh u can pick on my spelling Or typing lol I don't mind! Just dont pick on some of the good people who visit your site. I love the flower, surprised it didnt have thorns tho. Flowers are beauty and promise of new beginings, they are fresh and can bring happiness or can bring saddness, but always welcome even the thorny ones! Take care and gee I wish you some happiness as you surly need someone to remind you of your sensitivity!

Re: how did you get weight from BG CPED's question?

Carmel M on 8/12/01 at 19:32 (056498)

Is my computer going wacky or something? I thought BG CPed's question was about Chiropracters??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Re: how did you get weight from BG CPED's question?

BG CPed on 8/12/01 at 20:15 (056502)

No its mine also. I dont want folks to get on me about the weight issue. My opinion as if anybody asked. Weight is very sensite to some. Some folks view comments like weight/fat to be as bas as commenting on skin color or heritage. Others feel it is a self control issue like smoking, if you do it and it affects your health...then quit/stop eating as much and exercise.

Smoking like obesity has /does cause problems. Orthopedic surgery has a higher chance to fail when pt smokes. Many Dr wont do elective ortho surg until pt stops smoking for several weeks. I actually had a pt complian to me that a surgeon was discriminating against him because he told him he wont do surg until he has stoped smoking for several weeks. I explained the reason and said it was for pt own good AND Dr malpractice if he didnt make him.

I also have pt that get angry at the hip replacement Dr for telling them they need to lose weight before they will operate. I hae some pt that come in with bad long term heel pain and they have been told for years they need to lose weight for other health reasons also.

Some it is a medical problem. Others it is a self control issue that many want to have a condition named after so they can feel ok to do nothing about it. Even if it is medical reason there are options for treatment. This is anecdotal but majority of pf sufferers I see that are obese are very inactive. This would lead me to believe that it is from the major strain on tissue and bones in the foot. The mojority of folks I see that have pf that are approx within 20 to 30 pounds or perfect weight either have poor foot structure and or there is some change in activity or footwear. With the obese it is much harder tonail down a causative factor

I would assume this observation would be similar to other practitioners findings. It may offend some to have their weight pointed out. Just like most alcoholics get defensive when drinking is brought up. There are delicate and not so delicate ways to broach the subject but to deny it and not address it because you are sensitive does no good. If it is a self control , mental or medical issue there are ways of treating it.

This may be cold but. If you are obese and have health problems due to it. And you have not talked to a medical or mental health specialist you have 2 choices. Get thicker skin and be happy with your weight. Or go and seek some professional help.If you have not tried anything in the past but a few at home diets then it is up to you to look further into it.
I am not a health nut, I am prob about 15 to 20 lbs over what I should be. I am not talking about the average person but the folks that are 30 + lbs over and if it is causing problems. Some folks are fine in their skin and live long being over wt

Re: the terms "overweight" vs. "fat"

Max K on 8/12/01 at hrmin (056508)

I once saw a woman interviewed on TV, she represented a 'fat acceptance' group. She weighed over 300 pounds. She said that she preferred the term 'fat', because the other term, 'overweight', IMPLIED A DEFICIENCY, whereas the term 'fat' was accurately and neutrally descriptive. Therefore, in her view, the term 'fat' was the more sensitive, less objectionable term.

But of course, in actual conversations, the term 'fat' has an derogatory sound to it, and for that reason it is practically impossible to use in polite conversation.

Re: overweight/Scott

Necee on 8/12/01 at 23:00 (056510)

People come to this website because they are in pain, are hurting and need answers and support.
Scott your remarks have inflicted pain on a lot of people, have brought up more questions than answers and offer no support whatsoever.
Something that a so-called 'Normal Person' would never do!
Necee

Re: Have messages been deleted or.......????

Donna M on 8/13/01 at 00:12 (056519)

Am I missing something? This seems like a mixture of Candid Camera and The Twilight Zone!!!

Re: overweight

Richard, C.Ped on 8/13/01 at 08:33 (056543)

One quick question....how did this start in the first place???? Brian did not mention the word 'fat' at all (or am I blind?)

Richard

Re: overweight

tammie on 8/13/01 at 09:30 (056549)

I think it was a continued thread from below but someone posted up here and took off from there! Might be wrong but that is what I seen. Plus there has been varied discussions around and about>I was upset as I heard about all this thru a email from a good friend I had made here, and she was hurt and then I have talked to some others here and not that people are not aware that weight can be a issue in there recovery,as smoking or any other thing such has been pointed out, it was the way it was addressed. With insensitifity. Some need to finasse there words , or think how they will effect some, as People here are loving and support is the needed words not dissing,I think it would be great to have a area about good nutrition and weight hlp and support to those who need it if it was done tastefully, (no pun intended) and sensitivly, but then I to believe this is a different area then the feet problem, tho it does have some relation I am sure as does our mental status, but we dont speak of us being half a bubble off crudly do we? Just a nother thought!

Re: overweight

john h on 8/14/01 at 10:11 (056694)

hey scott: i have got about 10lbs i can loan you in a hurry if you want it. you should search out Laura Flynn (the practice) or Ms Flockhart and standing by them you would look overweight. by the way do you exercise or just eat healthy? i mut admire your 145lb frame. last time i was there i was 21. as a freshman in high school i weighed in at an astounding 105lbs.

Re: overweight

john h on 8/12/01 at 14:24 (056471)

i hope i do not offend anyone but i prefer overweight as opposed to fat when refering to men or women. there an undersirable connotation (IMHO) with fat men or fat women that goes beyond just weight. medically i think overweight people are referred to as obese. some of you may tell me to stuff it and i shall make no further suggestions on this subject.

Re: overweight

Scott R on 8/12/01 at 16:01 (056478)

John, no one will tell you to stuff it because I'm just about the only skinny one here. Oops, make that I'm the only normal-weight human that posts here (5'9' 145 lbs). I'm sure all the fat people here will not object to the politically correct 3-syllables 'overweight' in exchange for the more efficient 1-syllable 'fat'. I guess I'm to proving my point that skinny (oops did it again...normal weight) people are mean. Besides, as a guy, I get harassed and ridiculed as much as fat women for being 'skinny', and often by fat women.

Re: overweight

Tammie on 8/12/01 at 16:46 (056480)

Well here goes nothing, I have read many a post here and to me this seems a bit unusual that it should be ignored, No matter what a persons weight is, they are still human beings and have feelings. Unfortunantly it seems that some were tossed and struck out and lashed out for some not so nice of things they said , which is not my choice. But I am wondering how such things can be let go , Some people do have weight problems and some people do not have control over some issues. I have seen much as I work in medical area> I am very disturbed and very upset to how far this is going be it jokes on large women or men or be it on thin, I personaly do not think it is necesarry! I am wondering, what You would think is aceptable. I am not saying this for my own self as Noone really knows what I look like but what does it matter if I am 145 lbs or 200+ I thought this was a place to help people and to nourish good friendships, I am deeply saddened to the turn here , I have a friend who visits here who is a large person I think she is wonderful and personally I do not care what her weight is but you people have hurt her feelings and she will most likely not return, cause what may seem a joke to u was serious business to her, you should maybe not be so harsh to judge people by there weight . See them for the real person that they are, after all My momma says it all comes around in time and dont say never that u will not be there cause it might hit u or maybe those u love close to u and how would u feel to hear this kinda talk?I think I have learned a lesson today by reading here, maybe this is not such a helpful site to here u talk about people this way! My granny is heavy or fat or what ever u want to say and I love her dearly and guess what she is a neet person ! I had another granny to and she was thin as a rail and guess what I loved her dearly to and she was a neet person to! As a person I could not see a weight issue in either I loved them for themselves as I do any one. Again I may get slapped here or dumped on and really I dont care it is my thought on this and I really wish this would stop as there are very nice people in both groups! You have taken a issue and made a joke out of it but in turn it hurt someone and u should be ashamed! This is my feelings whether u own the board or not u should be responsible, and a responsible people dont hurt people! Not in my book!

Re: overweight/John

Tammie on 8/12/01 at 16:55 (056482)

i respect you very much John as unfortuantly not everyone is blessed with the perfect bodies, and some are yes a bit larger but the people in them do have feelings. If you think u are in trouble wait to u read what I wrote! You can be whatever you want to be and that will not change my feelings about you, just it is waht comes from the heart that makes the difference! And gee As for being a health problem over weight, well there are as many for being underweight to! Our society has become not only a fast food society but also opinionated to what persay is the aceptable body. And if you do some reserch you go back to many years ago many lol u will see many of the women and men were quite large also as we didnt have our skim milk and diet type foods and foods were cooked in lard and butter and well such and to say that they were lazy, I dont think so they worked hard and had lots of exercise! Seems to be what the familiy genes are like or maybe a metoblicim is sorry awful speller and typer for that matter! There have always been different shapes of the body but aside from that they all have the same heart and insides! Have a good day I respect what u have stated!

Re: overweight

Scott R on 8/12/01 at 17:22 (056484)

That was very eloquent Tammie. In my defense I wasn't joking and I have been fat. Here's a flower to mark the end of my meanness.


Re: overweight/Scott

Tammie on 8/12/01 at 17:58 (056486)

In your defense I figured u were not joking and If I could see that then u know many others have to, And if you were a so what u called (fat person ) and that kinda sticks in my mouth as I do not like to refer to any 'person' as fat as to me I dont see that , I might if u took it out of there body and put it in front of me, Then u would know of the feelings and the issues that acompany this problem! And this will not help any one! So I hope that the flower u posted heals the hurt that you have put on some dear womans heart! And For me I really do hope it puts a end to the insensitvity on a whole other disease, which I feel sure it is! That is another site I am sure. And hopefully you can be a bit more gentle in your termonology,Heh u can pick on my spelling Or typing lol I don't mind! Just dont pick on some of the good people who visit your site. I love the flower, surprised it didnt have thorns tho. Flowers are beauty and promise of new beginings, they are fresh and can bring happiness or can bring saddness, but always welcome even the thorny ones! Take care and gee I wish you some happiness as you surly need someone to remind you of your sensitivity!

Re: how did you get weight from BG CPED's question?

Carmel M on 8/12/01 at 19:32 (056498)

Is my computer going wacky or something? I thought BG CPed's question was about Chiropracters??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Re: how did you get weight from BG CPED's question?

BG CPed on 8/12/01 at 20:15 (056502)

No its mine also. I dont want folks to get on me about the weight issue. My opinion as if anybody asked. Weight is very sensite to some. Some folks view comments like weight/fat to be as bas as commenting on skin color or heritage. Others feel it is a self control issue like smoking, if you do it and it affects your health...then quit/stop eating as much and exercise.

Smoking like obesity has /does cause problems. Orthopedic surgery has a higher chance to fail when pt smokes. Many Dr wont do elective ortho surg until pt stops smoking for several weeks. I actually had a pt complian to me that a surgeon was discriminating against him because he told him he wont do surg until he has stoped smoking for several weeks. I explained the reason and said it was for pt own good AND Dr malpractice if he didnt make him.

I also have pt that get angry at the hip replacement Dr for telling them they need to lose weight before they will operate. I hae some pt that come in with bad long term heel pain and they have been told for years they need to lose weight for other health reasons also.

Some it is a medical problem. Others it is a self control issue that many want to have a condition named after so they can feel ok to do nothing about it. Even if it is medical reason there are options for treatment. This is anecdotal but majority of pf sufferers I see that are obese are very inactive. This would lead me to believe that it is from the major strain on tissue and bones in the foot. The mojority of folks I see that have pf that are approx within 20 to 30 pounds or perfect weight either have poor foot structure and or there is some change in activity or footwear. With the obese it is much harder tonail down a causative factor

I would assume this observation would be similar to other practitioners findings. It may offend some to have their weight pointed out. Just like most alcoholics get defensive when drinking is brought up. There are delicate and not so delicate ways to broach the subject but to deny it and not address it because you are sensitive does no good. If it is a self control , mental or medical issue there are ways of treating it.

This may be cold but. If you are obese and have health problems due to it. And you have not talked to a medical or mental health specialist you have 2 choices. Get thicker skin and be happy with your weight. Or go and seek some professional help.If you have not tried anything in the past but a few at home diets then it is up to you to look further into it.
I am not a health nut, I am prob about 15 to 20 lbs over what I should be. I am not talking about the average person but the folks that are 30 + lbs over and if it is causing problems. Some folks are fine in their skin and live long being over wt

Re: the terms "overweight" vs. "fat"

Max K on 8/12/01 at hrmin (056508)

I once saw a woman interviewed on TV, she represented a 'fat acceptance' group. She weighed over 300 pounds. She said that she preferred the term 'fat', because the other term, 'overweight', IMPLIED A DEFICIENCY, whereas the term 'fat' was accurately and neutrally descriptive. Therefore, in her view, the term 'fat' was the more sensitive, less objectionable term.

But of course, in actual conversations, the term 'fat' has an derogatory sound to it, and for that reason it is practically impossible to use in polite conversation.

Re: overweight/Scott

Necee on 8/12/01 at 23:00 (056510)

People come to this website because they are in pain, are hurting and need answers and support.
Scott your remarks have inflicted pain on a lot of people, have brought up more questions than answers and offer no support whatsoever.
Something that a so-called 'Normal Person' would never do!
Necee

Re: Have messages been deleted or.......????

Donna M on 8/13/01 at 00:12 (056519)

Am I missing something? This seems like a mixture of Candid Camera and The Twilight Zone!!!

Re: overweight

Richard, C.Ped on 8/13/01 at 08:33 (056543)

One quick question....how did this start in the first place???? Brian did not mention the word 'fat' at all (or am I blind?)

Richard

Re: overweight

tammie on 8/13/01 at 09:30 (056549)

I think it was a continued thread from below but someone posted up here and took off from there! Might be wrong but that is what I seen. Plus there has been varied discussions around and about>I was upset as I heard about all this thru a email from a good friend I had made here, and she was hurt and then I have talked to some others here and not that people are not aware that weight can be a issue in there recovery,as smoking or any other thing such has been pointed out, it was the way it was addressed. With insensitifity. Some need to finasse there words , or think how they will effect some, as People here are loving and support is the needed words not dissing,I think it would be great to have a area about good nutrition and weight hlp and support to those who need it if it was done tastefully, (no pun intended) and sensitivly, but then I to believe this is a different area then the feet problem, tho it does have some relation I am sure as does our mental status, but we dont speak of us being half a bubble off crudly do we? Just a nother thought!

Re: overweight

john h on 8/14/01 at 10:11 (056694)

hey scott: i have got about 10lbs i can loan you in a hurry if you want it. you should search out Laura Flynn (the practice) or Ms Flockhart and standing by them you would look overweight. by the way do you exercise or just eat healthy? i mut admire your 145lb frame. last time i was there i was 21. as a freshman in high school i weighed in at an astounding 105lbs.