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To all the doctors we have a question for ya ......

Posted by Laurie and Tammie on 11/03/01 at 21:42 (064077)

Hello to our wonderful doctor's . Tammie and I are a little confused about something . i am wondering if you can help us .

I think we know what the DPM means . Also someone does not have to be a MD to be a Podiatist right ? But someone does have to be an MD to prescribe medicine right?

Now to do foot surgery like a tts release or a PF release someone would have to be an MD ,or can a Pod that is not an MD do this type of surgery as well.

To be a foot and ankle surgeon one would have to be an MD right ?

If you can help us understand this we would really appreciate it .

Thank you so much for your time ...

Laurie R and Tammie

Re: To all the doctors we have a question for ya ......

Dr. Zuckerman on 11/03/01 at 22:44 (064079)

Well let see.

You don't have to be an MD to do foot and ankle surgery, but you do have to have the training and usually will have done at least a one year surgical residencey foot and ankle program

DPM stands for doctor of podiatric medicine. All DPM can prescribe medicines
MD stands for Medical doctor who can prescribe medicine but isn't always trained to do foot and ankle surgery not all DPM's are trained to do foot and ankle surgery either

So it you are doing to do surgery you had better be trained in foot and ankle surgery and be board certifed in foot and ankle surgery whether you are a DPM or MD or DO

Re: To all the doctors we have a question for ya ......

Tammie on 11/03/01 at 23:11 (064081)

thank u very much as this is pretty much what I had thought but sometimes gets confusing I apreciate this clarification. thank u for this!

Re: To all the doctors we have a question for ya ......

Laurie R on 11/03/01 at 23:35 (064082)

Thank you so much Dr Z . Now I have another question ,if you don't mind. Are most Pod MD or are they not? To me it does not really matter . I know a Pod specializes in the foot and ankle , but I thought to do surgery a person would have to be an MD...

YOu said that the DPM stands for doctor in Podiatry medicine , that is a doctor right ? Not a medical doctor ?

I am still confused ,sorry ,if you can answer this I won't be so confussed anymore.

Thank you again Dr.Z
Laurie R

Re: To all the doctors we have a question for ya ......

Dr.Zuckerman on 11/04/01 at 06:42 (064089)

Hi

A medical doctor is different then a Doctor of Podiatric Medicine. For example a dentist isn't a medical doctor but he still had to go to college,
four years of dental college and then if he wanted to learn surgery or put on braces or specialize in the treatment of your gums or do oral surgery he or she had to do additional training but his schooling is from a dental school not a medical school. The course in dental school, medical school and podiatry school are very similiar. In podiatry school you have to go to college , go to podiatry school then if your want to specialize in surgery of the foot take at least one more year of surgical training . There are some podiatrists that have taken up to four years of addtiional training
Some podiatrist go on to do fellowships in diabetic limb savage, pediatric surgery, ankle surgery and on and on

I hope this doesn't make you any more confused. . I once saw on a coffee cup what is a podiatrist . and they had alot of different answers finally on the back it had foot fixer . So that is what a podiatrist is a doctor specializing in foot fixing whether it is with surgery, biomechanics,
medicine. This foot fixer will evaluate your entire body your anatomy, circulation, dermatology, neurology, bones, ligament, knees hips, back, take x-ray, prescript physical therapy, consult with other doctor He will fix your foot.

As a patient your goal is to learn as much as you can about your condition, about your doctor and get your foot fixed. Good luck getting your foot fixed. Heelspurs.com will educate you on what to do and what to look for when trying to find a foot fixer and try to help you fix your foot.

Dr. Zuckerman ( foot fixer )

Re: To all the doctors we have a question for ya ......

Scott R on 11/04/01 at 08:39 (064092)

Laurie, there are several errors in what I'm about to say, but here are my current beliefs. Podiatrists (several different qualifications), dentists (two or three different types), osteopaths (sp?), chiropractors, and eye doctors (2 types) are all 'doctors' in the sense that they've had some sort of medical training, but the various schools and associations have not been as successful in being a part (taking advantage?) of our legal system as the AMA (and its accredited schools), who has the 2nd largest lobby in Washington. The AMA has been successfully sued numerous times for slander against some of the other medical professions in its attempt to influence public opinion about the other professions and thereby (with the help of the lobby) control who can 'practice medicine'. By keeping the number of doctors to a bare minimum and controlling the legal system well enough to restrict who patients can see for various ailments, the AMA keeps the income of its class of doctors much higher than 'MDs' in other countries. This is why it takes so long and costs so much to see a doctor who spends so little time on your case. Podiatrists usually make less money, spend more time with you, and are more caring than MDs because they lack the legal force and arrogance encouraged by the AMA. Just my opinion!

Re: To all the doctors we have a question for ya ......

Tammie on 11/04/01 at 10:37 (064094)

I agree with alot of what u state here , unfortuantly we have many people who feel that those of us who choose to see a pod(I am one) are not seeing a educated Dr. and fault all our healing troubles with them. Which in turn makes us the ( victim ) of a tug of what do we do or what do we believe. As some that have thease thoughts can be very pushy and maybe of a higher education then ourselves. So we feel pressured or pulled in so many different directions. As you know I work with nurses and some dr.s on staff. I have found a lot of grief with my choosing a Pod, to take care of my feet, I have seen different Dr. including a ortho but felt that the pod was much more patient explaining to me and examining me as a whole . Even more equipped for the troubles of like a simple xray for most but when your feet hurt it is not easy to stand on a xray with out something to hold on to well he has railings for this which were beyond thoughtful.I could go on and say other ways his office were different and more in tune with people with foot troubles but think u get the drift.

Thease questions have arrived from Laurie and I trying to figure out why some think that Pods are not educated or qualified ( in some peoples eyes) to treat us every bit as well as a M.D. after there name. We felt our pods and the ones here that we see who offer there help are more knowledgable and really seem to( KNOW ) what is happening like they really dont have to think long or say hmmmmmm for 15 min while they try to figure out why or where the pain is. The pod I seen it took him less then 2 sec to lift me off the table by touching one point after I started telling him about my days, where a M. D. took the same basic conversation and really found it difficult till I pointed the area to him. Not that he is a bad Dr. I am not saying this at all, but he just was not intuned to my foot as well as the pod was and I found the pod offered a much better treatment plan , even if it did not go as well as we would have liked. And to aleviate some of the blame from him I am sure I was and am not a model patient.

I just wonder how do u explain to people that thease things take a long time sometimes and that no u dont need to see a M.D. to get good results? I am very happy with my pod, and say this often to others, I unfortuantly make his job very difficult as I have a strong will and dont like to sit around waiting for things to heal,and at this point of my life I find that special family circ. make it very nec. to work.There is a little thing called living expenses that dont pay thereselves. And after being home for 6 Months it takes its toll.And when there are more then one in a family others also have there medical troubles and need care and rest.

I just wanted to Thank You for explaining this to us as it really is quite confusing! I do not think any one specialty Dr. is the best as i think we will all be able to say we have found a good Dr. and a (so called) bad Dr. in most fields. I just happen to pefer my pod to what I have expieranced in my first treatments and think had I found him about 6 months earlier maybe would not have had all of this to begin with,as he was the first and only one who had a so called plan with many treatments going on. Again I thank u good friends here for taking the time and effort to try and help explain things to us! Hugs to u both and I do hope that u have a wonderful day!

Re: To all the doctors we have a question for ya ......

Laurie R on 11/04/01 at 11:18 (064096)

Thank you Dr.Z and Scott, I second what Tammie said in her post. I feel the same way . I have heard over and over since I am still in pain and it has been for over two years I must have a bad doctor . I can not tell you how many times I have heard , why don't I get a new doctor .

My problem is not to find a new doctor , it is, I wish I would of had my Pod from the start of my foot pain . I feel if I would of had my Pod from the start then I don't think I would be the way I am now .

To me a good doctor is one that if he or she can not help you they will find another doctor that will. My Pod has bent over backwards for me . He has sent me to 4 different doctors for their opinions . All 4 said my Pod is doing a wonderful job. Now I feel they all can't be wrong . Even when I told my Pod I did not want to see other doctors. He would explain to me how important it is for me to be seen by them to get their opinion or take the test I needed .

I am a very difficult case , I don't only have PF I also have TTS and tenosynivitis and RSD and a fibroma . So their is a lot going on . But in the begining I only had PF ,but the doctor I was seeing did nothing for me . So of course I kept working on my foot every night doing more harm , till I met my Pod who took me off work at my first visit.

He has always told me not to give up , also he knows I get frustrated and he understands. He 'ALWAYS ' takes his time with me at my visits . His office has even told me what day to make my appointments so he can spend more time with me. As they know I am a difficult patient .

I just get so mad when people say , why don't you find a new doctor since this one has not helped you ... Not helped me , this doctor has went out of his way to help me . Like he has told me ,he is not God .

I have a other problem that was really buggin me for years . I felt very comfortable talking to him about it , and he is helping me with it now . It has nothing to do with feet. But he said sure I can treat you for that . And he has and I have it under control now . To me that is a great doctor to take his time to help me with something that has nothing to do with feet. So I could care less if he has MD after his name . He is a foot and ankle surgeon as well as a Pod . So he went to plenty of schooling .

Thank you again Dr.Z and Scott and Tammie. I understand now .

My best to all ...Laurie R

Re: To all the doctors we have a question for ya ......

wendyn on 11/04/01 at 14:01 (064104)

I don't have a problem with sticking with a doctor who is making every effort to refer to other specialists regardless of what type of doctor he or she is.

I do become concerned when someone here refuses to seek a second opinion, regardless of what type of doctor they are already seeing (pod/ortho etc).

I don't direct this at anyone here in particular - it's just a general statement.

It is always wise to seek a second opinion when considering surgery, and also when dealing with a poor surgical outcome.

Seeking a second opinion does not mean that you have a bad doctor, or that they made a mistake. It means that you're getting some additional input into what may be a difficult case for doctors to diagnose and treat.

Re: interesting topic, Wendyn

Tammie on 11/04/01 at 15:34 (064108)

I could understand this thought also but I have to wonder when is the time to know if there is a poor outcome of a praticular surgery when they tell u it can take up to 6 months or even a year to expierance a full results.

Yes a second opinion can be useful but when it coinsides with what has been already told to u ,it is also ok to return to the former Dr. I just wonder how much jumping is good as when u jump from dr. to dr. some valuable information can be lost or forgotton or just pure left out. Even if u take records with u.Some people change Dr. like they change hmm ( trying to think of a good camparisson) Their nail polish? Sometimes we seem to have just trust enough and go with the treatment and not become to paryonoid like me worrying all the time. There are no gaurentees to a positive outcome if your dr. is honest they will tell u this. So if it is not the positive outcome do we desert them because something failed? I am not sure of thease questions or answers.

People are complex it is not only there bodys they seek to heal it is also a relationship with the care giver a matter of a deep trust and work together. Even if u dont agree on all treatments, work at it to benifit your body and your well being and your life situations. Maybe really understand some of what u might be going thru, as it is never just our feet.There is more that goes with this long time problem as it is seen here over and over it is not a quick fix even when we want it so badly!

I know u say this is not directed to anyone in particular but lol maybe call me paryonoid but I feel as there is a hidden message in it for myself? It is ok to offer another thought as it sometimes is a helpful realization. Tho very hard to hear at times it is known to be helpful.
In my own case I have seen other dr. as it was needed but the comparisoms were almost exactly except a slightly different type of recovery and different incision line involved.Now which would be better I have not a clue, But I went with the person that I felt most comfortable with.Who Knew me as a long time patient. Not a in one day and on table next.

Getting back to this whether surgery is not going right , when is it thought or known that a person should start worrying? What is a good estimate and when is it time to give up the trust u build with a dr. to search for another who u start with from square one ? First I do not like going to any dr, I am not into seeing a dr. unless no getting away from it. I dont like change I do not like being misled or not told the total effects of anything. I am a planner and a thinker and I do not lke interuptions. So this has been a long teaching process for me and my habits! I am sorry if I am reading more into this then intended but I guess i am at a point in this recovery period that I am frightened that all is NOT well and wondering if it will ever be what it once was. And I also am doing a lot of blaming of myself for being so stubborn and hard headed and impatient.
For some reason I feel the need to protect my dr. why I have no clue, maybe cause i did not like him or trust him to start as we had some bad differences, and maybe I bad mouthed him. My husband tells me I do not hear what is said cause I choose not to hear what I do not want to deal with. He to says I am to stubborn and that if I would learn some patience I may do better.I guess I am a loss in that department, I dont think I will ever learn this sort of patience, for myself anyways. Well thank u for sparking some thoughts for me it is sometimes helpful to put down what we are thinking and to reread it and see if there is more of a message in this then we can see ourselves, do u understand what I mean lol? I am a fool sometimes but I have pretty good intuition and I may not be the best writer or best student but I have always had a interest in medicine and the people involved one time wanting to be a nurse myself, so I am not compleatly ignorant. Just a bit when it comes to my own care, that is why I put it with someone else as I am my own worse judge. Thank u sorry this is so long and drawn out but again thank u for letting me express my feelings ! Have a good day Wendyn!

Re: interesting topic, Wendyn

wendyn on 11/04/01 at 16:23 (064113)

Tammie - I said it's directed at no one in particular, because I simply cannot keep everyone's history straight. I quite honestly cannot remember if you've seen 1 doctor or 52.

So honestly - it's a general statement.

I know you've had surgery, I know that you're funny on percocet - but I can't remember the specifics of who you saw or why.

So - no, no hidden messages!

Re: To all the doctors we have a question for ya ......

Dr. Zuckerman on 11/03/01 at 22:44 (064079)

Well let see.

You don't have to be an MD to do foot and ankle surgery, but you do have to have the training and usually will have done at least a one year surgical residencey foot and ankle program

DPM stands for doctor of podiatric medicine. All DPM can prescribe medicines
MD stands for Medical doctor who can prescribe medicine but isn't always trained to do foot and ankle surgery not all DPM's are trained to do foot and ankle surgery either

So it you are doing to do surgery you had better be trained in foot and ankle surgery and be board certifed in foot and ankle surgery whether you are a DPM or MD or DO

Re: To all the doctors we have a question for ya ......

Tammie on 11/03/01 at 23:11 (064081)

thank u very much as this is pretty much what I had thought but sometimes gets confusing I apreciate this clarification. thank u for this!

Re: To all the doctors we have a question for ya ......

Laurie R on 11/03/01 at 23:35 (064082)

Thank you so much Dr Z . Now I have another question ,if you don't mind. Are most Pod MD or are they not? To me it does not really matter . I know a Pod specializes in the foot and ankle , but I thought to do surgery a person would have to be an MD...

YOu said that the DPM stands for doctor in Podiatry medicine , that is a doctor right ? Not a medical doctor ?

I am still confused ,sorry ,if you can answer this I won't be so confussed anymore.

Thank you again Dr.Z
Laurie R

Re: To all the doctors we have a question for ya ......

Dr.Zuckerman on 11/04/01 at 06:42 (064089)

Hi

A medical doctor is different then a Doctor of Podiatric Medicine. For example a dentist isn't a medical doctor but he still had to go to college,
four years of dental college and then if he wanted to learn surgery or put on braces or specialize in the treatment of your gums or do oral surgery he or she had to do additional training but his schooling is from a dental school not a medical school. The course in dental school, medical school and podiatry school are very similiar. In podiatry school you have to go to college , go to podiatry school then if your want to specialize in surgery of the foot take at least one more year of surgical training . There are some podiatrists that have taken up to four years of addtiional training
Some podiatrist go on to do fellowships in diabetic limb savage, pediatric surgery, ankle surgery and on and on

I hope this doesn't make you any more confused. . I once saw on a coffee cup what is a podiatrist . and they had alot of different answers finally on the back it had foot fixer . So that is what a podiatrist is a doctor specializing in foot fixing whether it is with surgery, biomechanics,
medicine. This foot fixer will evaluate your entire body your anatomy, circulation, dermatology, neurology, bones, ligament, knees hips, back, take x-ray, prescript physical therapy, consult with other doctor He will fix your foot.

As a patient your goal is to learn as much as you can about your condition, about your doctor and get your foot fixed. Good luck getting your foot fixed. Heelspurs.com will educate you on what to do and what to look for when trying to find a foot fixer and try to help you fix your foot.

Dr. Zuckerman ( foot fixer )

Re: To all the doctors we have a question for ya ......

Scott R on 11/04/01 at 08:39 (064092)

Laurie, there are several errors in what I'm about to say, but here are my current beliefs. Podiatrists (several different qualifications), dentists (two or three different types), osteopaths (sp?), chiropractors, and eye doctors (2 types) are all 'doctors' in the sense that they've had some sort of medical training, but the various schools and associations have not been as successful in being a part (taking advantage?) of our legal system as the AMA (and its accredited schools), who has the 2nd largest lobby in Washington. The AMA has been successfully sued numerous times for slander against some of the other medical professions in its attempt to influence public opinion about the other professions and thereby (with the help of the lobby) control who can 'practice medicine'. By keeping the number of doctors to a bare minimum and controlling the legal system well enough to restrict who patients can see for various ailments, the AMA keeps the income of its class of doctors much higher than 'MDs' in other countries. This is why it takes so long and costs so much to see a doctor who spends so little time on your case. Podiatrists usually make less money, spend more time with you, and are more caring than MDs because they lack the legal force and arrogance encouraged by the AMA. Just my opinion!

Re: To all the doctors we have a question for ya ......

Tammie on 11/04/01 at 10:37 (064094)

I agree with alot of what u state here , unfortuantly we have many people who feel that those of us who choose to see a pod(I am one) are not seeing a educated Dr. and fault all our healing troubles with them. Which in turn makes us the ( victim ) of a tug of what do we do or what do we believe. As some that have thease thoughts can be very pushy and maybe of a higher education then ourselves. So we feel pressured or pulled in so many different directions. As you know I work with nurses and some dr.s on staff. I have found a lot of grief with my choosing a Pod, to take care of my feet, I have seen different Dr. including a ortho but felt that the pod was much more patient explaining to me and examining me as a whole . Even more equipped for the troubles of like a simple xray for most but when your feet hurt it is not easy to stand on a xray with out something to hold on to well he has railings for this which were beyond thoughtful.I could go on and say other ways his office were different and more in tune with people with foot troubles but think u get the drift.

Thease questions have arrived from Laurie and I trying to figure out why some think that Pods are not educated or qualified ( in some peoples eyes) to treat us every bit as well as a M.D. after there name. We felt our pods and the ones here that we see who offer there help are more knowledgable and really seem to( KNOW ) what is happening like they really dont have to think long or say hmmmmmm for 15 min while they try to figure out why or where the pain is. The pod I seen it took him less then 2 sec to lift me off the table by touching one point after I started telling him about my days, where a M. D. took the same basic conversation and really found it difficult till I pointed the area to him. Not that he is a bad Dr. I am not saying this at all, but he just was not intuned to my foot as well as the pod was and I found the pod offered a much better treatment plan , even if it did not go as well as we would have liked. And to aleviate some of the blame from him I am sure I was and am not a model patient.

I just wonder how do u explain to people that thease things take a long time sometimes and that no u dont need to see a M.D. to get good results? I am very happy with my pod, and say this often to others, I unfortuantly make his job very difficult as I have a strong will and dont like to sit around waiting for things to heal,and at this point of my life I find that special family circ. make it very nec. to work.There is a little thing called living expenses that dont pay thereselves. And after being home for 6 Months it takes its toll.And when there are more then one in a family others also have there medical troubles and need care and rest.

I just wanted to Thank You for explaining this to us as it really is quite confusing! I do not think any one specialty Dr. is the best as i think we will all be able to say we have found a good Dr. and a (so called) bad Dr. in most fields. I just happen to pefer my pod to what I have expieranced in my first treatments and think had I found him about 6 months earlier maybe would not have had all of this to begin with,as he was the first and only one who had a so called plan with many treatments going on. Again I thank u good friends here for taking the time and effort to try and help explain things to us! Hugs to u both and I do hope that u have a wonderful day!

Re: To all the doctors we have a question for ya ......

Laurie R on 11/04/01 at 11:18 (064096)

Thank you Dr.Z and Scott, I second what Tammie said in her post. I feel the same way . I have heard over and over since I am still in pain and it has been for over two years I must have a bad doctor . I can not tell you how many times I have heard , why don't I get a new doctor .

My problem is not to find a new doctor , it is, I wish I would of had my Pod from the start of my foot pain . I feel if I would of had my Pod from the start then I don't think I would be the way I am now .

To me a good doctor is one that if he or she can not help you they will find another doctor that will. My Pod has bent over backwards for me . He has sent me to 4 different doctors for their opinions . All 4 said my Pod is doing a wonderful job. Now I feel they all can't be wrong . Even when I told my Pod I did not want to see other doctors. He would explain to me how important it is for me to be seen by them to get their opinion or take the test I needed .

I am a very difficult case , I don't only have PF I also have TTS and tenosynivitis and RSD and a fibroma . So their is a lot going on . But in the begining I only had PF ,but the doctor I was seeing did nothing for me . So of course I kept working on my foot every night doing more harm , till I met my Pod who took me off work at my first visit.

He has always told me not to give up , also he knows I get frustrated and he understands. He 'ALWAYS ' takes his time with me at my visits . His office has even told me what day to make my appointments so he can spend more time with me. As they know I am a difficult patient .

I just get so mad when people say , why don't you find a new doctor since this one has not helped you ... Not helped me , this doctor has went out of his way to help me . Like he has told me ,he is not God .

I have a other problem that was really buggin me for years . I felt very comfortable talking to him about it , and he is helping me with it now . It has nothing to do with feet. But he said sure I can treat you for that . And he has and I have it under control now . To me that is a great doctor to take his time to help me with something that has nothing to do with feet. So I could care less if he has MD after his name . He is a foot and ankle surgeon as well as a Pod . So he went to plenty of schooling .

Thank you again Dr.Z and Scott and Tammie. I understand now .

My best to all ...Laurie R

Re: To all the doctors we have a question for ya ......

wendyn on 11/04/01 at 14:01 (064104)

I don't have a problem with sticking with a doctor who is making every effort to refer to other specialists regardless of what type of doctor he or she is.

I do become concerned when someone here refuses to seek a second opinion, regardless of what type of doctor they are already seeing (pod/ortho etc).

I don't direct this at anyone here in particular - it's just a general statement.

It is always wise to seek a second opinion when considering surgery, and also when dealing with a poor surgical outcome.

Seeking a second opinion does not mean that you have a bad doctor, or that they made a mistake. It means that you're getting some additional input into what may be a difficult case for doctors to diagnose and treat.

Re: interesting topic, Wendyn

Tammie on 11/04/01 at 15:34 (064108)

I could understand this thought also but I have to wonder when is the time to know if there is a poor outcome of a praticular surgery when they tell u it can take up to 6 months or even a year to expierance a full results.

Yes a second opinion can be useful but when it coinsides with what has been already told to u ,it is also ok to return to the former Dr. I just wonder how much jumping is good as when u jump from dr. to dr. some valuable information can be lost or forgotton or just pure left out. Even if u take records with u.Some people change Dr. like they change hmm ( trying to think of a good camparisson) Their nail polish? Sometimes we seem to have just trust enough and go with the treatment and not become to paryonoid like me worrying all the time. There are no gaurentees to a positive outcome if your dr. is honest they will tell u this. So if it is not the positive outcome do we desert them because something failed? I am not sure of thease questions or answers.

People are complex it is not only there bodys they seek to heal it is also a relationship with the care giver a matter of a deep trust and work together. Even if u dont agree on all treatments, work at it to benifit your body and your well being and your life situations. Maybe really understand some of what u might be going thru, as it is never just our feet.There is more that goes with this long time problem as it is seen here over and over it is not a quick fix even when we want it so badly!

I know u say this is not directed to anyone in particular but lol maybe call me paryonoid but I feel as there is a hidden message in it for myself? It is ok to offer another thought as it sometimes is a helpful realization. Tho very hard to hear at times it is known to be helpful.
In my own case I have seen other dr. as it was needed but the comparisoms were almost exactly except a slightly different type of recovery and different incision line involved.Now which would be better I have not a clue, But I went with the person that I felt most comfortable with.Who Knew me as a long time patient. Not a in one day and on table next.

Getting back to this whether surgery is not going right , when is it thought or known that a person should start worrying? What is a good estimate and when is it time to give up the trust u build with a dr. to search for another who u start with from square one ? First I do not like going to any dr, I am not into seeing a dr. unless no getting away from it. I dont like change I do not like being misled or not told the total effects of anything. I am a planner and a thinker and I do not lke interuptions. So this has been a long teaching process for me and my habits! I am sorry if I am reading more into this then intended but I guess i am at a point in this recovery period that I am frightened that all is NOT well and wondering if it will ever be what it once was. And I also am doing a lot of blaming of myself for being so stubborn and hard headed and impatient.
For some reason I feel the need to protect my dr. why I have no clue, maybe cause i did not like him or trust him to start as we had some bad differences, and maybe I bad mouthed him. My husband tells me I do not hear what is said cause I choose not to hear what I do not want to deal with. He to says I am to stubborn and that if I would learn some patience I may do better.I guess I am a loss in that department, I dont think I will ever learn this sort of patience, for myself anyways. Well thank u for sparking some thoughts for me it is sometimes helpful to put down what we are thinking and to reread it and see if there is more of a message in this then we can see ourselves, do u understand what I mean lol? I am a fool sometimes but I have pretty good intuition and I may not be the best writer or best student but I have always had a interest in medicine and the people involved one time wanting to be a nurse myself, so I am not compleatly ignorant. Just a bit when it comes to my own care, that is why I put it with someone else as I am my own worse judge. Thank u sorry this is so long and drawn out but again thank u for letting me express my feelings ! Have a good day Wendyn!

Re: interesting topic, Wendyn

wendyn on 11/04/01 at 16:23 (064113)

Tammie - I said it's directed at no one in particular, because I simply cannot keep everyone's history straight. I quite honestly cannot remember if you've seen 1 doctor or 52.

So honestly - it's a general statement.

I know you've had surgery, I know that you're funny on percocet - but I can't remember the specifics of who you saw or why.

So - no, no hidden messages!