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waking up in the middle of the night in pain-help!

Posted by rebecca on 12/17/01 at 23:30 (067295)

Is this a common thing with PF? I've been icing my feet just before bed. I go to sleep just fine. Then around 3 or 4 am I am awakened by throbbing , sometimes even burning pain. I can't go back to sleep it hurts so bad. I have to get up and re-ice my feet. Does this happen to anyone else? What do you do to deal with it? It doesn't happen every night but pretty often.

Re: waking up in the middle of the night in pain-help!

Carole C on 12/17/01 at 23:39 (067296)

Sometimes when my feet are not doing well I have trouble getting to sleep, like last Thursday I think it was. I didn't get to sleep until 3:30 (and I get up at 5:30 to go to work).

Maybe you could keep a small ice chest with ice and water in it right there near the bed, so you didn't have to walk to get it.

I am new enough that I don't have an answer yet. But since I'm awake I thought I'd contribute that idea.

Oh here's another. If you still can't get back to sleep after the icing, I have found it very relaxing to massage my feet with hand lotion. It doesn't have any huge effect, but it's very peaceful and might help you feel like going back to sleep.

Wish I had more ideas!

Carole

Re: waking up in the middle of the night in pain-help!

michael b on 12/18/01 at 10:28 (067318)

do you sleep in a night splint???

Re: waking up in the middle of the night in pain-help!

rebecca on 12/18/01 at 10:59 (067323)

No, I don't sleep in a night splint. I would like to try that and see if it helps. I have PF in both feet so I would need to get two of them. How about you Michael? Do you sleep in a night splint?

Re: waking up in the middle of the night in pain-help!

michael b on 12/18/01 at 12:46 (067329)

only every night. i only have pf in my left heel, but there should be no problem in you wearing 2. my thoughts are that you use those, and maybe prop up your feet on a pillow for a little elevation - nothing dramatic. as a matter of fact, there is now a night splint that uses ice at the same time . . . . i just have a regular one, but since you mentioned that ice seems to help you might go for that model. lastly, have you taken any generic inflammatory, such as ibprophen (sp??). that might add some value. lastly, are you doing anything athletically, or that involves standing on your feet a whole lot??? a review of those items might be in order if you are. back to night splints, they are easy to get on and off, you just can't walk around in them,. . . . i'm no doctor, and there are people on this site that have more experience w/ this stuff, but these suggestions shouldn't be risky or overly expensive ----- lemme know

Re: waking up in the middle of the night in pain-help!

Suzanne D on 12/18/01 at 16:03 (067340)

Dear Rebecca,
I am sorry that I cannot give you much help here. I used to wake up often in the night with pain but don't as much any more. Sometimes when I woke up, I wrapped my foot with an ace bandage. It just seemed that some support made it feel better. Sometimes I put on socks. I don't know if that really did it any good, but I wanted to try SOMETHING and that is what I did.
I hope your child with strep is better and that you get more rest tonight! :-)

Re: waking up in the middle of the night in pain-help!

BrianG on 12/18/01 at 16:45 (067341)

I think getting a good night's sleep is important to healing. Have you talked to your doctor about this? There are many different types of meds he can prescribe that will help you sleep through the night. Good luck

BCG

PS I don't know why, but family doc's seem more inclined to prescribe, than the specialists.

Re: more thoughts about this and musing about why

Carole C on 12/18/01 at 17:03 (067343)

I was thinking about this today at work, and wondering if maybe you need to back off on your orthotics for a while. Could it be that you tried to break them in too fast, and your feet just want this to go at a more leisurely pace? Maybe your feet are rebelling at wearing them for such a long stretch at a time.

How soon is that appointment to see if your orthotics need adjusting? As I recall, he was insisting that you wait three weeks before getting them adjusted (and to me that sounds awfully long). If he gets them adjusted right, and gives you a schedule to follow for wearing them, that might help a whole lot.

We got started around the same time. I wear my orthotics about eleven hours a day and my Birkenstocks in the evening. I am resting my feet a whole lot, though, whereas I know you can't. I'm not really walking in the Birkenstocks except a few feet to the bathroom as needed. My feet are relatively comfortable and feel like they are healing as long as I don't try to DO anything very much, and as long as I don't take even one step barefoot.

It's amazing how just standing for 30 seconds under a shower was making my feet hurt in a big way for several days. I think a lot of my complaining and depressed posts were from days when I had taken a step or two barefoot the day before. In the brief showers, my feet didn't even have time to uncurl from the orthotics really, but going barefoot in the shower/tub was injuring them each and every time. Getting that shower stool really helped eliminate that for me. For me it's important not to let my feet bear my weight while they are barefoot, at all. If you are taking baths, maybe you are injuring your feet just in that one step into and out of the tub. :(

Carole C

Re: waking up in the middle of the night in pain-help!

Tammie on 12/18/01 at 17:59 (067353)

I also think a good nights sleep is a real important factor in healing! And from expierance in this trouble , I only can say that yes please find a dr. who hears this and helps to be sure u get some sleep. Pain is much worse when u are exhausted! And of course your patience and mind are in a different level when u are tired.

I have found that if I take a benadril with my ultram I can get a bit longer effect,but I would discuss this with your dr. For me it has been a lifesavor.Tho I will say I never get more then 4 hrs of sleep without waking with some sort of foot pain and that is the truth.If I am not working the next day I will take another ultram when I wake if I work I do not as I am afraid of the heavy feeling. I wanted to respond to this before but really unsure of what to offer as advice as I have trouble to and ice makes it worse for me I kinda prefer heat for some reason. Ice makes it magnify, for me sometimes.I have to agree with Brian and about the family dr. I guess that is why I am looking into a dr. to treat all of me to go along with my pod and of course I need a dr. to refer me for a mri as my insur. is giving me grief and my pod also, for some reason they have denied him for authorising it, said my primary has to and I dont even have a dr. priamry or otherwise, just him.

Re: waking up in the middle of the night in pain-help!

Steve P on 12/18/01 at 19:00 (067359)

Rebecca -- You might try getting a night splint & using it on one foot at a time, perhaps alternating night to night.

If it helps, you can always get a 2nd.

Best........Steve

Re: michael

rebecca on 12/18/01 at 19:25 (067361)

Michael-
Thanks for your message. I am planning to get night splints. I'm going to talk to my podiatrist on Friday about it. Maybe that will help me. I was taking ibuprofen for a long time. Now I'm on vioxx. Seems like I did sleep better on ibuprofen but heard it could hurt your stomach if you take it too long. I have greatly reduced my time on my feet in the last few weeks but its a little bit hard with a two year old who needs to be chased down now and then. I have older children who help out with him alot. I used to be an athletic kindof person in my younger days (I'm 40)but in recent years have been a walker. 1-4 miles per week. That stopped this past summer when walking was hurting too much. But I still stayed on my feet 8-12 hours a day caring for a family. I'm learning now that rest is really important for helping these feet to heal. I know you are a runner. My husband is too. Its one of the greatest loves of his life. I have always encouraged him to continue it and know how much it means to him. I understand you are a runner too. It must be really difficult having to give that up for a while but from what I've been reading on this website REST is the best thing you can do for your feet until they are healed and then you can gradually get back into running, walking or whatever you used to do. So I wish you the best and hope you can get back your feet!

Re: suzanne

rebecca on 12/18/01 at 19:28 (067362)

hi suzanne,

my daughter is much better. My husband picked up a prescription for her and she has been feeling much better, thanks!

Re: Brian, Tammie

rebecca on 12/18/01 at 19:33 (067363)

Thanks! I've been on ibuprofen and more recently vioxx. I'm going to see my podiatrist on Friday so I will talk to him about pain relief and a whole lot of other stuff too. Thank you again for your concern. I am constantly amazed and encouraged by all the cool people on this web. The concern everyone has for each other is such an encouraging part of my day.

Re: Steve

rebecca on 12/18/01 at 19:37 (067364)

Thanks Steve,

For some funny reason I hadn't thought of that!! I guess I'm a slow learner. : ) I'm going to talk to my podiatrist on Friday and see if he will prescribe them and if my insurance will pay that should help too. Do you wear night splints? Have they helped you?
Thanks

rebecca

Re: feet on the window

rebecca on 12/18/01 at 23:01 (067378)

Carole-

Your idea about keeping a cooler with ice next to the bed gave me another idea. The window is within 'foot reach' and it is COLD this time of year....

At 3am I don't think the neighbors would notice feet on the window....

Hmmmm.... if they did happen to notice, it would give them something interesting to discuss the next morning! Yep, I think I'll do my part to keep the neighborhood interesting.

Re: michael

michael b on 12/19/01 at 09:10 (067390)

you sound like me --- i'm 42 --- three kids : 7,4, 18mos . . . so how can one get all this rest w/ 3 of those???? but you're right, the only way this may go away is to put the running on the shelf and wait it out . .. at least i can swim, ride a bike,and golf some ---- have a merry christmas

Re: waking up in the middle of the night in pain-help!

john h on 12/19/01 at 10:22 (067393)

Brian you are very correct in getting a good nights sleep being a requirement for a healthy body. Going with out sleep on a regular basis can create new problems as well as making your existing one worse.

Re: feet on the window

Carole C on 12/19/01 at 12:01 (067403)

ROFL!!!!! That ought to keep them wondering! (grin)

Carole C

Re: Steve

Steve P on 12/19/01 at 20:39 (067431)

Rebecca -- Yes, & I alternated feet. I never had more than one splint. It did seem to help.

Good luck!

Re: waking up in the middle of the night in pain-help!

john h on 12/20/01 at 09:46 (067465)

4 or 5 years ago i experienced this but it eventually went away for what ever reason. maybe a night splint might help this problem.

Re: waking up in the middle of the night in pain-help!

Carole C on 12/17/01 at 23:39 (067296)

Sometimes when my feet are not doing well I have trouble getting to sleep, like last Thursday I think it was. I didn't get to sleep until 3:30 (and I get up at 5:30 to go to work).

Maybe you could keep a small ice chest with ice and water in it right there near the bed, so you didn't have to walk to get it.

I am new enough that I don't have an answer yet. But since I'm awake I thought I'd contribute that idea.

Oh here's another. If you still can't get back to sleep after the icing, I have found it very relaxing to massage my feet with hand lotion. It doesn't have any huge effect, but it's very peaceful and might help you feel like going back to sleep.

Wish I had more ideas!

Carole

Re: waking up in the middle of the night in pain-help!

michael b on 12/18/01 at 10:28 (067318)

do you sleep in a night splint???

Re: waking up in the middle of the night in pain-help!

rebecca on 12/18/01 at 10:59 (067323)

No, I don't sleep in a night splint. I would like to try that and see if it helps. I have PF in both feet so I would need to get two of them. How about you Michael? Do you sleep in a night splint?

Re: waking up in the middle of the night in pain-help!

michael b on 12/18/01 at 12:46 (067329)

only every night. i only have pf in my left heel, but there should be no problem in you wearing 2. my thoughts are that you use those, and maybe prop up your feet on a pillow for a little elevation - nothing dramatic. as a matter of fact, there is now a night splint that uses ice at the same time . . . . i just have a regular one, but since you mentioned that ice seems to help you might go for that model. lastly, have you taken any generic inflammatory, such as ibprophen (sp??). that might add some value. lastly, are you doing anything athletically, or that involves standing on your feet a whole lot??? a review of those items might be in order if you are. back to night splints, they are easy to get on and off, you just can't walk around in them,. . . . i'm no doctor, and there are people on this site that have more experience w/ this stuff, but these suggestions shouldn't be risky or overly expensive ----- lemme know

Re: waking up in the middle of the night in pain-help!

Suzanne D on 12/18/01 at 16:03 (067340)

Dear Rebecca,
I am sorry that I cannot give you much help here. I used to wake up often in the night with pain but don't as much any more. Sometimes when I woke up, I wrapped my foot with an ace bandage. It just seemed that some support made it feel better. Sometimes I put on socks. I don't know if that really did it any good, but I wanted to try SOMETHING and that is what I did.
I hope your child with strep is better and that you get more rest tonight! :-)

Re: waking up in the middle of the night in pain-help!

BrianG on 12/18/01 at 16:45 (067341)

I think getting a good night's sleep is important to healing. Have you talked to your doctor about this? There are many different types of meds he can prescribe that will help you sleep through the night. Good luck

BCG

PS I don't know why, but family doc's seem more inclined to prescribe, than the specialists.

Re: more thoughts about this and musing about why

Carole C on 12/18/01 at 17:03 (067343)

I was thinking about this today at work, and wondering if maybe you need to back off on your orthotics for a while. Could it be that you tried to break them in too fast, and your feet just want this to go at a more leisurely pace? Maybe your feet are rebelling at wearing them for such a long stretch at a time.

How soon is that appointment to see if your orthotics need adjusting? As I recall, he was insisting that you wait three weeks before getting them adjusted (and to me that sounds awfully long). If he gets them adjusted right, and gives you a schedule to follow for wearing them, that might help a whole lot.

We got started around the same time. I wear my orthotics about eleven hours a day and my Birkenstocks in the evening. I am resting my feet a whole lot, though, whereas I know you can't. I'm not really walking in the Birkenstocks except a few feet to the bathroom as needed. My feet are relatively comfortable and feel like they are healing as long as I don't try to DO anything very much, and as long as I don't take even one step barefoot.

It's amazing how just standing for 30 seconds under a shower was making my feet hurt in a big way for several days. I think a lot of my complaining and depressed posts were from days when I had taken a step or two barefoot the day before. In the brief showers, my feet didn't even have time to uncurl from the orthotics really, but going barefoot in the shower/tub was injuring them each and every time. Getting that shower stool really helped eliminate that for me. For me it's important not to let my feet bear my weight while they are barefoot, at all. If you are taking baths, maybe you are injuring your feet just in that one step into and out of the tub. :(

Carole C

Re: waking up in the middle of the night in pain-help!

Tammie on 12/18/01 at 17:59 (067353)

I also think a good nights sleep is a real important factor in healing! And from expierance in this trouble , I only can say that yes please find a dr. who hears this and helps to be sure u get some sleep. Pain is much worse when u are exhausted! And of course your patience and mind are in a different level when u are tired.

I have found that if I take a benadril with my ultram I can get a bit longer effect,but I would discuss this with your dr. For me it has been a lifesavor.Tho I will say I never get more then 4 hrs of sleep without waking with some sort of foot pain and that is the truth.If I am not working the next day I will take another ultram when I wake if I work I do not as I am afraid of the heavy feeling. I wanted to respond to this before but really unsure of what to offer as advice as I have trouble to and ice makes it worse for me I kinda prefer heat for some reason. Ice makes it magnify, for me sometimes.I have to agree with Brian and about the family dr. I guess that is why I am looking into a dr. to treat all of me to go along with my pod and of course I need a dr. to refer me for a mri as my insur. is giving me grief and my pod also, for some reason they have denied him for authorising it, said my primary has to and I dont even have a dr. priamry or otherwise, just him.

Re: waking up in the middle of the night in pain-help!

Steve P on 12/18/01 at 19:00 (067359)

Rebecca -- You might try getting a night splint & using it on one foot at a time, perhaps alternating night to night.

If it helps, you can always get a 2nd.

Best........Steve

Re: michael

rebecca on 12/18/01 at 19:25 (067361)

Michael-
Thanks for your message. I am planning to get night splints. I'm going to talk to my podiatrist on Friday about it. Maybe that will help me. I was taking ibuprofen for a long time. Now I'm on vioxx. Seems like I did sleep better on ibuprofen but heard it could hurt your stomach if you take it too long. I have greatly reduced my time on my feet in the last few weeks but its a little bit hard with a two year old who needs to be chased down now and then. I have older children who help out with him alot. I used to be an athletic kindof person in my younger days (I'm 40)but in recent years have been a walker. 1-4 miles per week. That stopped this past summer when walking was hurting too much. But I still stayed on my feet 8-12 hours a day caring for a family. I'm learning now that rest is really important for helping these feet to heal. I know you are a runner. My husband is too. Its one of the greatest loves of his life. I have always encouraged him to continue it and know how much it means to him. I understand you are a runner too. It must be really difficult having to give that up for a while but from what I've been reading on this website REST is the best thing you can do for your feet until they are healed and then you can gradually get back into running, walking or whatever you used to do. So I wish you the best and hope you can get back your feet!

Re: suzanne

rebecca on 12/18/01 at 19:28 (067362)

hi suzanne,

my daughter is much better. My husband picked up a prescription for her and she has been feeling much better, thanks!

Re: Brian, Tammie

rebecca on 12/18/01 at 19:33 (067363)

Thanks! I've been on ibuprofen and more recently vioxx. I'm going to see my podiatrist on Friday so I will talk to him about pain relief and a whole lot of other stuff too. Thank you again for your concern. I am constantly amazed and encouraged by all the cool people on this web. The concern everyone has for each other is such an encouraging part of my day.

Re: Steve

rebecca on 12/18/01 at 19:37 (067364)

Thanks Steve,

For some funny reason I hadn't thought of that!! I guess I'm a slow learner. : ) I'm going to talk to my podiatrist on Friday and see if he will prescribe them and if my insurance will pay that should help too. Do you wear night splints? Have they helped you?
Thanks

rebecca

Re: feet on the window

rebecca on 12/18/01 at 23:01 (067378)

Carole-

Your idea about keeping a cooler with ice next to the bed gave me another idea. The window is within 'foot reach' and it is COLD this time of year....

At 3am I don't think the neighbors would notice feet on the window....

Hmmmm.... if they did happen to notice, it would give them something interesting to discuss the next morning! Yep, I think I'll do my part to keep the neighborhood interesting.

Re: michael

michael b on 12/19/01 at 09:10 (067390)

you sound like me --- i'm 42 --- three kids : 7,4, 18mos . . . so how can one get all this rest w/ 3 of those???? but you're right, the only way this may go away is to put the running on the shelf and wait it out . .. at least i can swim, ride a bike,and golf some ---- have a merry christmas

Re: waking up in the middle of the night in pain-help!

john h on 12/19/01 at 10:22 (067393)

Brian you are very correct in getting a good nights sleep being a requirement for a healthy body. Going with out sleep on a regular basis can create new problems as well as making your existing one worse.

Re: feet on the window

Carole C on 12/19/01 at 12:01 (067403)

ROFL!!!!! That ought to keep them wondering! (grin)

Carole C

Re: Steve

Steve P on 12/19/01 at 20:39 (067431)

Rebecca -- Yes, & I alternated feet. I never had more than one splint. It did seem to help.

Good luck!

Re: waking up in the middle of the night in pain-help!

john h on 12/20/01 at 09:46 (067465)

4 or 5 years ago i experienced this but it eventually went away for what ever reason. maybe a night splint might help this problem.