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anyone upset that their meds prevent them from drinking?

Posted by elliott on 1/01/02 at 23:07 (068404)

A seasonal question. If you're on NSAIDS, Celebrex, etc., taking alcohol is rather risky due to the possibly deleterious effects on the kidneys. Do you cheat? A little or a lot? If you go cold turkey, are you upset about it?

I'm not talking alcoholics here, just that desire for an occasional beer, wine or scotch.

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Re: anyone upset that their meds prevent them from drinking?

Necee on 1/01/02 at 23:21 (068407)

Sorry Elliot, I can't help you on this one, I don't drink. The only thing I don't drink enough of is water.
Happy Trails....
Necee

Re: anyone upset that their meds prevent them from drinking?

wendyn on 1/01/02 at 23:47 (068411)

Elliott - my understanding has been that the odd beverage is not a big deal...but I'm not sure what the experts say.

My mother has been on Vioxx for well over a year and a bit now - and still indulges in her daily glass of wine or so with dinner.

I have lectured her repeatedly on what this could do to her, but unfortunately she listens as well as her daughter did to any words of wisdom.

Seriously though - it really does concern me, but like I said...she doesn't listen well.

When she was on hmmm I want to say Voltaren - but it's related to Voltaren....the name isn't coming to me...starts with an A, not Anaprox...- anyway she'd been on a long time and started having diarrhea (sp? - not one I spell often?) with blood. I freaked and told her to call the doctor and for God's sake not to take any more. Ahhh - it was Arthrotec - knew it would come to me.

She ignored me for the weekend, but when the specialist found out he told her that if ANYTHING (caps just for you) like that ever happened again (from another medication) she was to go straight to emerg - and NOT to take any more.

She can only take Vioxx now - no NSAIDS or aspirin.

What are you on?

(always wanted to ask you that :)

but I'm referring specifically to anti-inflammatories)-

and is there any chance you can eventually go off?

Re: anyone upset that their meds prevent them from drinking?

Carole C on 1/02/02 at 08:45 (068426)

I can certainly see why it could cramp one's style. Luckily this hasn't been a problem for me, for two reasons.

Since my brother is a 20 year member of A.A., and since alcoholism is supposed to be genetic, and since drinking is not a big deal to me, and since alcohol is fattening, I have rules that I've set for myself. Basically, I do not drink except for 1-2 glasses of champagne on New Years, OR a glass of wine on Christmas Eve.

This year I decided on the champagne. I figured one glass, if I didn't take any Celebrex for a couple of days prior, would be all right maybe. However, I got essentially stood up by the new guy I'm dating, and ended up spending New Years Eve alone in my apartment by myself, spitting mad at this guy and men in general. Bummer! Needless to say, I don't keep alcohol in my apartment, so there went that plan!

Oh well, it's fattening anyway. And, I've decided that men have their redeeming qualities even if one gets stood up now and then. LOL

Carole C

Re: a bunch of teetotalers here :-)

elliott on 1/02/02 at 23:53 (068503)

I should've known. Never mind. :-)

Re: at this point in time, I'm on...

elliott on 1/03/02 at 00:23 (068505)

absolutely nothing.

I've had sciatica now for a year and a half, the last year of it at a much higher pain level. It's not like I'm dying, but I can't sit too long on anything other than the right kind of hard surface, wood being the best. Cushioned seats are the worst. So my car's seat is very bad, as is my office chair (replaced it with a backless wooden stool). Can't sit still for long in a restaurant. It's wearing me down over time; can't hold out much longer.

My neurosurgeon recommended Aleve for the discomfort. It does do something some of the time. But then I get a bit of an upset stomach and some bleeding (but much less so than for ibuprofen). But I just don't want to stay on it forever, so I stopped. I recently requested Celebrex, as a friend with the same diagnosis (but different symptoms) found it useful. I took that for about a month and a half, ending last week. Funny thing about it: It did absolutely nothing for my sciatica. Big 0. (Oops, sorry!) But it seemed to help my right foot a lot! When that stabilized and did not improve, I decided to stop altogether. Not sure I'm in the mood to try something like Vioxx when there's no target stop date on the horizon, and it's still not a cure. The good side is now I can get drunk if I want to. :-) I don't drink much anyway; a drop of wine and scotch on the weekends or a drop to warm up once in a while on a cold stormy night. Some alcohol in moderation is supposed to be good for you. And this way, I can pretend to know my scotch when talking to some snobby connoisseur. :-)

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Re: a bunch of teetotalers here :-)

nancy s. on 1/03/02 at 07:43 (068512)

i'm shocked that john h didn't weigh in here. actually, i haven't checked, but he must not have posted because he's not a teetotaler.
for what it's worth, i'm not either. i used to have a martini. now i'm on medication that says 'no alcohol,' but i've learned enough about it to know that they're being extremely cautious, way over the top, with that prohibition. so i will have a glass of wine or two and am fine.

Re: a bunch of teetotalers here :-)

Carole C on 1/03/02 at 08:48 (068519)

Oh Elliott, since I do drink once a year, does that make me a tee-subtotaler? :)

Carole C

Re: a bunch of teetotalers here :-)

john h on 1/03/02 at 09:43 (068528)

yes nancy s I am no teetotaler but I am no booze hound either. I like my glass of red wine (supposed to be good for your health) and the occasional martini. I do not know of a medication out there that does not warn against drinking while taking the meds. i guess they should warn against taking vicks cough syrup also. In early aircraft a compass was mounted on the aircaft dash that was emersed in alchol. in the stress war the crews often tore up the compass to get to the booze so they added some ill tasting substance.

Re: at this point in time, I'm on...

john h on 1/03/02 at 09:52 (068531)

Elliott: You might give Ultram a try. It is the only non narcotice that I found that helped my back. There is also an over the counter patch called 'Pain Patch'. They come in a pack of five and actually do provide some relief. There is no magic substance in them but many people with back problems find them helpful. They are about 4' x 5'. go to http://www.drugstore.com and you can view them. they are at many of the local drugstores. also elliott, go to http://www.bonati.com and view this info on a very minimal invasive procedure for back problems. in and out under a local the same day for many procedures. they are offering free seminars around the country and you can phone them to see if they will be in your area. they will also look at your mri,etc at the seminar and give you some indication if their procedures might help you.

Re: a bunch of teetotalers here :-)

john h on 1/03/02 at 09:55 (068532)

elliott i know that i, texas barb, and judy drink because we all had wine aftter eswt in Dr. Z's trailer (after the office closed).

Re: thanks

elliott on 1/03/02 at 10:19 (068537)

Couldn't get into that bonati site; it kept trying to draw buildings. Regarding meds, I'm more interested in a cure than temporary pain relief. I don't really have much back pain per se (nor does it prevent me from flexing and exercising it); it's more that classic sciatic nerve discomfort coursing from L4-L5 down the leg: mild in lower right back, substantial butt and hamstring discomfort especially when sitting, and a lesser sensation dropping down into foot which blends with my other pains there.

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Re: since you're cheating anyway...

elliott on 1/03/02 at 23:17 (068633)

is it much more risky to take the alcohol close to when you take the pill, or is the danger more a cumulative long-term buildup kind of thing? I mean, after all, so as not to take pills on an empty stomach, one typically takes pills at meal time, but that's precisely when one might have a little wine.

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Re: since you're cheating anyway...

nancy s. on 1/03/02 at 23:58 (068644)

i suppose it must be different for different kinds of pills. my two are an antidepressant and an antianxiety med. (isn't it great that you can have both conditions at once? i'm living proof.) The effect with these is not cumulative, so when i cheat i try to do it in between pills, not while i'm taking them -- because i think the problem, if there were one, would be an increase in the effect of the pill soon after taking it. if this makes any sense at all. it's late!

Re: since you're cheating anyway...

John h on 1/04/02 at 18:40 (068747)

nancy s: depression and anxiety normally go hand in hand and if you have one in is not uncommon to have the other. if your feet hurt all the time and you cannot do much of anything i would sure think you would be depressed some of the time and if you think PF will go on forever it will sure create anxiety.

Re: since you're cheating anyway...

nancy s. on 1/04/02 at 22:02 (068771)

you're right, john. i think the key is never to give in to that fear and assume that pf will go on forever. i do wish i'd been more careful about my fearful assumptions. it's natural to have them sometimes, of course, but as a habit they're probably a hindrance to healing and they're certainly a hindrance to mental health. i always think of gordon's old quote on this board that contained this advice: 'Make sure your mind is on your side'! i wish i'd been able to do more of that.
but heck, that was then and this is now, and things are much better.
thanks,
nancy

Re: since you're cheating anyway...

John h on 1/06/02 at 16:27 (068983)

I just saw the movie 'A Beautiful Mind'. It is rather an inspiring movie of a real person who still resides in Princeton and who has overcome a very serious mental problem and go on to win the Nobel Prize. If this movie does not bring tears to your eyes at the end then you must have no heart. Nancy N. have you ever seen this good Professor in person? I bet you have! Some people can just perserver---

Re: anyone upset that their meds prevent them from drinking?

Necee on 1/01/02 at 23:21 (068407)

Sorry Elliot, I can't help you on this one, I don't drink. The only thing I don't drink enough of is water.
Happy Trails....
Necee

Re: anyone upset that their meds prevent them from drinking?

wendyn on 1/01/02 at 23:47 (068411)

Elliott - my understanding has been that the odd beverage is not a big deal...but I'm not sure what the experts say.

My mother has been on Vioxx for well over a year and a bit now - and still indulges in her daily glass of wine or so with dinner.

I have lectured her repeatedly on what this could do to her, but unfortunately she listens as well as her daughter did to any words of wisdom.

Seriously though - it really does concern me, but like I said...she doesn't listen well.

When she was on hmmm I want to say Voltaren - but it's related to Voltaren....the name isn't coming to me...starts with an A, not Anaprox...- anyway she'd been on a long time and started having diarrhea (sp? - not one I spell often?) with blood. I freaked and told her to call the doctor and for God's sake not to take any more. Ahhh - it was Arthrotec - knew it would come to me.

She ignored me for the weekend, but when the specialist found out he told her that if ANYTHING (caps just for you) like that ever happened again (from another medication) she was to go straight to emerg - and NOT to take any more.

She can only take Vioxx now - no NSAIDS or aspirin.

What are you on?

(always wanted to ask you that :)

but I'm referring specifically to anti-inflammatories)-

and is there any chance you can eventually go off?

Re: anyone upset that their meds prevent them from drinking?

Carole C on 1/02/02 at 08:45 (068426)

I can certainly see why it could cramp one's style. Luckily this hasn't been a problem for me, for two reasons.

Since my brother is a 20 year member of A.A., and since alcoholism is supposed to be genetic, and since drinking is not a big deal to me, and since alcohol is fattening, I have rules that I've set for myself. Basically, I do not drink except for 1-2 glasses of champagne on New Years, OR a glass of wine on Christmas Eve.

This year I decided on the champagne. I figured one glass, if I didn't take any Celebrex for a couple of days prior, would be all right maybe. However, I got essentially stood up by the new guy I'm dating, and ended up spending New Years Eve alone in my apartment by myself, spitting mad at this guy and men in general. Bummer! Needless to say, I don't keep alcohol in my apartment, so there went that plan!

Oh well, it's fattening anyway. And, I've decided that men have their redeeming qualities even if one gets stood up now and then. LOL

Carole C

Re: a bunch of teetotalers here :-)

elliott on 1/02/02 at 23:53 (068503)

I should've known. Never mind. :-)

Re: at this point in time, I'm on...

elliott on 1/03/02 at 00:23 (068505)

absolutely nothing.

I've had sciatica now for a year and a half, the last year of it at a much higher pain level. It's not like I'm dying, but I can't sit too long on anything other than the right kind of hard surface, wood being the best. Cushioned seats are the worst. So my car's seat is very bad, as is my office chair (replaced it with a backless wooden stool). Can't sit still for long in a restaurant. It's wearing me down over time; can't hold out much longer.

My neurosurgeon recommended Aleve for the discomfort. It does do something some of the time. But then I get a bit of an upset stomach and some bleeding (but much less so than for ibuprofen). But I just don't want to stay on it forever, so I stopped. I recently requested Celebrex, as a friend with the same diagnosis (but different symptoms) found it useful. I took that for about a month and a half, ending last week. Funny thing about it: It did absolutely nothing for my sciatica. Big 0. (Oops, sorry!) But it seemed to help my right foot a lot! When that stabilized and did not improve, I decided to stop altogether. Not sure I'm in the mood to try something like Vioxx when there's no target stop date on the horizon, and it's still not a cure. The good side is now I can get drunk if I want to. :-) I don't drink much anyway; a drop of wine and scotch on the weekends or a drop to warm up once in a while on a cold stormy night. Some alcohol in moderation is supposed to be good for you. And this way, I can pretend to know my scotch when talking to some snobby connoisseur. :-)

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Re: a bunch of teetotalers here :-)

nancy s. on 1/03/02 at 07:43 (068512)

i'm shocked that john h didn't weigh in here. actually, i haven't checked, but he must not have posted because he's not a teetotaler.
for what it's worth, i'm not either. i used to have a martini. now i'm on medication that says 'no alcohol,' but i've learned enough about it to know that they're being extremely cautious, way over the top, with that prohibition. so i will have a glass of wine or two and am fine.

Re: a bunch of teetotalers here :-)

Carole C on 1/03/02 at 08:48 (068519)

Oh Elliott, since I do drink once a year, does that make me a tee-subtotaler? :)

Carole C

Re: a bunch of teetotalers here :-)

john h on 1/03/02 at 09:43 (068528)

yes nancy s I am no teetotaler but I am no booze hound either. I like my glass of red wine (supposed to be good for your health) and the occasional martini. I do not know of a medication out there that does not warn against drinking while taking the meds. i guess they should warn against taking vicks cough syrup also. In early aircraft a compass was mounted on the aircaft dash that was emersed in alchol. in the stress war the crews often tore up the compass to get to the booze so they added some ill tasting substance.

Re: at this point in time, I'm on...

john h on 1/03/02 at 09:52 (068531)

Elliott: You might give Ultram a try. It is the only non narcotice that I found that helped my back. There is also an over the counter patch called 'Pain Patch'. They come in a pack of five and actually do provide some relief. There is no magic substance in them but many people with back problems find them helpful. They are about 4' x 5'. go to http://www.drugstore.com and you can view them. they are at many of the local drugstores. also elliott, go to http://www.bonati.com and view this info on a very minimal invasive procedure for back problems. in and out under a local the same day for many procedures. they are offering free seminars around the country and you can phone them to see if they will be in your area. they will also look at your mri,etc at the seminar and give you some indication if their procedures might help you.

Re: a bunch of teetotalers here :-)

john h on 1/03/02 at 09:55 (068532)

elliott i know that i, texas barb, and judy drink because we all had wine aftter eswt in Dr. Z's trailer (after the office closed).

Re: thanks

elliott on 1/03/02 at 10:19 (068537)

Couldn't get into that bonati site; it kept trying to draw buildings. Regarding meds, I'm more interested in a cure than temporary pain relief. I don't really have much back pain per se (nor does it prevent me from flexing and exercising it); it's more that classic sciatic nerve discomfort coursing from L4-L5 down the leg: mild in lower right back, substantial butt and hamstring discomfort especially when sitting, and a lesser sensation dropping down into foot which blends with my other pains there.

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Re: since you're cheating anyway...

elliott on 1/03/02 at 23:17 (068633)

is it much more risky to take the alcohol close to when you take the pill, or is the danger more a cumulative long-term buildup kind of thing? I mean, after all, so as not to take pills on an empty stomach, one typically takes pills at meal time, but that's precisely when one might have a little wine.

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Re: since you're cheating anyway...

nancy s. on 1/03/02 at 23:58 (068644)

i suppose it must be different for different kinds of pills. my two are an antidepressant and an antianxiety med. (isn't it great that you can have both conditions at once? i'm living proof.) The effect with these is not cumulative, so when i cheat i try to do it in between pills, not while i'm taking them -- because i think the problem, if there were one, would be an increase in the effect of the pill soon after taking it. if this makes any sense at all. it's late!

Re: since you're cheating anyway...

John h on 1/04/02 at 18:40 (068747)

nancy s: depression and anxiety normally go hand in hand and if you have one in is not uncommon to have the other. if your feet hurt all the time and you cannot do much of anything i would sure think you would be depressed some of the time and if you think PF will go on forever it will sure create anxiety.

Re: since you're cheating anyway...

nancy s. on 1/04/02 at 22:02 (068771)

you're right, john. i think the key is never to give in to that fear and assume that pf will go on forever. i do wish i'd been more careful about my fearful assumptions. it's natural to have them sometimes, of course, but as a habit they're probably a hindrance to healing and they're certainly a hindrance to mental health. i always think of gordon's old quote on this board that contained this advice: 'Make sure your mind is on your side'! i wish i'd been able to do more of that.
but heck, that was then and this is now, and things are much better.
thanks,
nancy

Re: since you're cheating anyway...

John h on 1/06/02 at 16:27 (068983)

I just saw the movie 'A Beautiful Mind'. It is rather an inspiring movie of a real person who still resides in Princeton and who has overcome a very serious mental problem and go on to win the Nobel Prize. If this movie does not bring tears to your eyes at the end then you must have no heart. Nancy N. have you ever seen this good Professor in person? I bet you have! Some people can just perserver---