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Round #1 goes to Social Security.

Posted by BrianG on 1/05/02 at 22:15 (068885)

As some of you know, I had to leave my job about 2.5 months ago and apply for Social Security Disability. I got my first determination letter a couple days ago, I was denied. I'm trying not to let it get me get down, as only about 10% of the applicants are approved the fist time.

Next, I hire a lawyer and file my first appeal. Only 5% of the applicants get approved at this level. Finally it's the 1-3 year wait to go before the judge, where most applicants are approved. For most people it's a real bad deal, especially me, as I have no money coming in. I really didn't expect to be spending my retirement savings at this point in my life.

I know people have taken advantage of the system, but is there any reason on god's green earth that it should take them up to 3, or more years for a final determnation ???

BCG

PS I'd like to be getting into the current ESWT threads, but I'm just too busy getting more info for the lawyer :*( I wish I knew just one person who got approved SSD for PF.

Re: Round #1 goes to Social Security.

Carole C on 1/05/02 at 22:40 (068886)

Right!!!!! Don't let it get you down, Brian! I've never known a single person to get Social Security Disability the first time. It just about automatically goes to the lawyers and judges. Get a lawyer that specializes in this, so that he knows what he's doing and how to expedite things or it could take longer.

And yes, I think it's rotten that it takes so long. But it does. :(

Carole C

Re: Round #1 goes to Social Security.

JudyS on 1/06/02 at 10:39 (068938)

You bring up a good point, Brian. I think it's been said here several times that it only seems reasonable for PF to be considered a disability from the govt. standpoint. Even if it's temporary. A number of people here have quit, lost, or taken a leave from their jobs because of PF. Every now and then there's some talk here about lobbying our representatives on this issue.

Re: Round #1 goes to Social Security.

John h on 1/06/02 at 16:30 (068984)

We face a long hard road to get PF to be taken seriously as many of you know it is sometimes difficult to get our spouses and friends to take us seriously on this matter. If you have not had PF you are just not going to understand what it can do to your life.

Re: Round #1 goes to Social Security.

Steve P on 1/06/02 at 18:05 (068992)

Hey Brian -- Did you ever go to Dr. Z for ESWT?

Re: I have a SS lawyer friend i will ask this question

Dr. Zuckeman on 1/06/02 at 19:24 (068995)

Hi,
I understand the frustration and the b--- with SS. I have a friend
neighbor/lawyer who we always talk about pf disability claims. He is a SS
specialist. I will ask him if he ever won a pf case. Is there any other parts of your body that you can include in your claim. I will ask my
friend and if the answer is yes will get the details for you

Re: Round #1 goes to Social Security.

Tammie on 1/07/02 at 09:18 (069043)

Oh you are so VERY RIGHT on this statement John.

Re: Brian

Tammie on 1/07/02 at 09:22 (069044)

I am sorry to hear the news, but U had expected it as u have said. But Brian I think if it is going to be won or changed you will have something to do with it ! You are a smart man and you do not give up easy so keep going and give it all that u have . I hope that u are the one to make the difference in this horrible injustice! I will keep saying prayers for u and send u hugs when u are down as there are alot of wonderful people here who care about you and the outcome of this ! Hugs to u and hope to hear some positve information for u from Dr. Z friend!

Re: Round #1 goes to Social Security.

BrianG on 1/07/02 at 12:19 (069060)

Thanks everyone. Steve, I have't gotten ESWT yet, due to logistics. 2002 should be the year that ESWT comes to Ma. I'm not to far from a train station, which is the determining factor for me. Not working means I have to really tighten my belt.

Yes, Dr. Z, I would like to know if your neighbor has ever had anyone win a PF case. Since the S.S. people don't even recognise PF, I've had to add in a couple other symptoms, chronic pain and depression. They even held it against me because I was able to complete my disability application by my self. Give me a break. It took 2 weeks of consant work, plus I had talked to a lawyer who told me they usually don't get involved until you are turned down, Catch 22. They have ways of turning anything against you. I do know a couple people who got it first time around. One had two feet amputated, and the other had a heart attack. I guess those are the 'lucky' 10 percent.

Back to the research
BCG

Re: not to spoil this party...

elliott on 1/07/02 at 13:53 (069075)

but the eligibility criteria for SSD are necessarily very strict, and the potential for abuse very great. There are some things about PF that make it even more problematic: There often is little way medically to distinguish between debilitating PF and manageable PF. Do you feel one foot is enough to qualify or both? And then it so happens that 'the vast majority of plantar fasciitis sufferers are eventually cured.' That's problematic in and of itself. And then once they're on the rolls, they're more reluctant to ever get off. If PF were included, many other ailments might have to be added too. Too large a population, too costly, too much potential for abuse. I'm not unsympathetic, just stating realities.

----

Re: It's no party, it's a nightmare !!

BrianG on 1/08/02 at 09:00 (069176)

I hear you Elliott, loud and clear. You are right, it's next to impossible to get SSD for PF. But after 7 years, I can no longer work, what else am I going to do? I will try to break new ground here, and be willing to share whatever it is that may help me. One thing in my favor is that you only have to be disabled for 1 year, to be elligble. Another thing that I think is in my favor is that SSD now has to include PAIN. Now this is a whole other ballgame, as we all know how subjective it is. They do have guidelines for pain, and I've met them all. It's now up to the lawyer to present my case in a way that I never could.

I'm in for the battle of my life, but I have no other options. My pain has never decreased in all these years, only increased. So, it's my party until the fat lady sings, and we have a long way to go before that happens. I'm glad you wrote in, I'm going to try even harder now!!! I guess it's never easy being the first at anything, and I don't even know if I am the 1st, but I'm sure going to give it my all.

BCG

Re: any other options?

elliott on 1/08/02 at 09:34 (069188)

Is it one foot or two for you? Have you tried ESWT? Surgery? Can you get a desk job? Can you get around at all?

----

Re: any other options?

Carol C on 1/08/02 at 15:23 (069235)

I still say..........PAIN IS NO PARTY!

Re: Agree. But "party" is not referring to the pain

elliott on 1/08/02 at 15:43 (069236)

but rather to the uniform posts of sympathy and suggestions to keep trying to gain SSD eligibility. Maybe you took me another way, and yes, words of sympathy can be comforting, but so can an abrupt wake-up call to try any and all alternatives rather than rely on gaining SSD eligibility. I'm trying to help too.

----

Re: somewhat related, hot off the press

elliott on 1/08/02 at 16:10 (069238)

this on carpal tunnel:

http://www.usatoday.com/money/general/2002/01/08/court-disability.htm

http://www.cnn.com/2002/LAW/01/08/scotus.disability/index.html

----

Re: Slim, to none

BrianG on 1/08/02 at 18:25 (069256)

I've got PF in both heels. I'd say I have about 2 hours in the morning when I can get some things done. Then I'm pretty much consumed by pain. I did go through a state program that helps disabled people find jobs. I did this while I was still working, looking for a sit down type of job. Because of the pain, and how it affects ME, they were not able to help me. I probably worked 2-3 years longer than I should have. The only reason I was able to even do that is because my doctor has me on some strong pain meds. For some reason, everyone percieves pain differently. I don't know the answer, but I do know that I've been a 'pain whimp' my whole life. I've had failed EPF surgery, but no ESWT yet. That will happen in the next year or two. Regards

BCG

Re: Agree. But "party" is not referring to the pain

Carol C on 1/09/02 at 06:06 (069297)

I just think we need to be sensitive to all. And I think for the most part all on this board are sensitivet to most. As for myself, I returned
to my regular job, ONE WEEK post-op TTS and CTS release. It has not been
the easiest thing to do---but I have been able to do it. While I have
been capable of doing this, I understand that not ALL people are able
of the same. Maybe some people have a higher level of pain or a lower
level of pain tolereance. Or maybe my employer is more tolerant of
my injury/illness than someone else may be. Maybe we don't know all of
the circumstances surrounding each and every case......I know that I don't, and I know that I am more comfortable being supportive of those
that need a kind word that I am of trying to play....shall we say----
the 'Devil's advocate?'
Ok...enough said by me.
Everyone have a nice day.

Re: Round #1 goes to Social Security.

Laurie R on 1/09/02 at 10:38 (069321)

Dear Brian , My brother has Hept C ,he has been going through some major treatment for this. He can't work due to all the meds he was on and the Hept C. He is trying also to get SSI . He calle dme the other day and was telling me all the BS he has to go through for SSI. He has no income now either . They just stoped his disibility because it was a year and it ran out . I am thinking how in the world does SSI expect people to live that can't work and have no income ....
Today in my local paper there was a story right on the front page all about SSI and how hard it is to get....
Makes no sence to me. I wish you all the luck in the world with SSI .. I feel as you do , you worked years over than what you should of . You deserve to get SSI.
Keep us posted ....Laurie R

Re: any other options?

john h on 1/09/02 at 11:14 (069326)

Carol: reading your post 'Pain is no Party' has me humming the old tune 'It's My Party And I will Cry If I Want To!'.

Re: Brian - I am behind you 100% !

Valerie S on 1/09/02 at 11:22 (069333)

Brian,

I feel your pain. I sent you an email too... I am struggling with beaurocratic bull and decision-making right now myself... but I feel that I don't deserve any more compensation, since my feet have started to get better. Even though my feet don't hurt like yours do, I just want you to know that you are not alone.

People who have not been debilitated by PF cannot understand how difficult a decision it is to give up your livelyhood because of this. I for one, am behind you 100%, you had a lot more endurance than I. Thanks for all the help and encouragement you gave me when I was working all those hours on my feet.

I know how hard it is to keep going, and I know that it's even harder to stop... don't give up the fight!

Your friend, Val.

Re: John...

Valerie S on 1/09/02 at 11:33 (069337)

Reading your post about 'It's my party...' reminds me of the time I fell rollerskating and broke my arm and they played 'Big Girls Don't Cry...'

I subsequently had 5 pins put in my wrist...

You would cry too if it happened to you... hee hee.

Re: think slim, then

elliott on 1/09/02 at 14:11 (069364)

Do you have to wait a year or two for ESWT? That's a long time. I think in similar circumstances I'd borrow and/or go to Canada if necessary. If you were equipped with one of those 'nuclear-powered' wheelchairs, would it then be possible to work? Someone at my work has one of these and gets around great. Finally, maybe there's a home job w/computer to be had.

I know it's not easy, but it's high-risk waiting for SSD, and even then you'll have to wait very very long, and even then it's not where you want to be if there are any options at all out there.

----

Re: Me, too!

Suzanne D on 1/09/02 at 16:25 (069383)

May you have strength for the fight ahead - and in the meantime, I hope things work out for you! Explore every option = as I know you are - and know that many people are behind you!

:-)

Re: Round #1 goes to Social Security.

Carole C on 1/05/02 at 22:40 (068886)

Right!!!!! Don't let it get you down, Brian! I've never known a single person to get Social Security Disability the first time. It just about automatically goes to the lawyers and judges. Get a lawyer that specializes in this, so that he knows what he's doing and how to expedite things or it could take longer.

And yes, I think it's rotten that it takes so long. But it does. :(

Carole C

Re: Round #1 goes to Social Security.

JudyS on 1/06/02 at 10:39 (068938)

You bring up a good point, Brian. I think it's been said here several times that it only seems reasonable for PF to be considered a disability from the govt. standpoint. Even if it's temporary. A number of people here have quit, lost, or taken a leave from their jobs because of PF. Every now and then there's some talk here about lobbying our representatives on this issue.

Re: Round #1 goes to Social Security.

John h on 1/06/02 at 16:30 (068984)

We face a long hard road to get PF to be taken seriously as many of you know it is sometimes difficult to get our spouses and friends to take us seriously on this matter. If you have not had PF you are just not going to understand what it can do to your life.

Re: Round #1 goes to Social Security.

Steve P on 1/06/02 at 18:05 (068992)

Hey Brian -- Did you ever go to Dr. Z for ESWT?

Re: I have a SS lawyer friend i will ask this question

Dr. Zuckeman on 1/06/02 at 19:24 (068995)

Hi,
I understand the frustration and the b--- with SS. I have a friend
neighbor/lawyer who we always talk about pf disability claims. He is a SS
specialist. I will ask him if he ever won a pf case. Is there any other parts of your body that you can include in your claim. I will ask my
friend and if the answer is yes will get the details for you

Re: Round #1 goes to Social Security.

Tammie on 1/07/02 at 09:18 (069043)

Oh you are so VERY RIGHT on this statement John.

Re: Brian

Tammie on 1/07/02 at 09:22 (069044)

I am sorry to hear the news, but U had expected it as u have said. But Brian I think if it is going to be won or changed you will have something to do with it ! You are a smart man and you do not give up easy so keep going and give it all that u have . I hope that u are the one to make the difference in this horrible injustice! I will keep saying prayers for u and send u hugs when u are down as there are alot of wonderful people here who care about you and the outcome of this ! Hugs to u and hope to hear some positve information for u from Dr. Z friend!

Re: Round #1 goes to Social Security.

BrianG on 1/07/02 at 12:19 (069060)

Thanks everyone. Steve, I have't gotten ESWT yet, due to logistics. 2002 should be the year that ESWT comes to Ma. I'm not to far from a train station, which is the determining factor for me. Not working means I have to really tighten my belt.

Yes, Dr. Z, I would like to know if your neighbor has ever had anyone win a PF case. Since the S.S. people don't even recognise PF, I've had to add in a couple other symptoms, chronic pain and depression. They even held it against me because I was able to complete my disability application by my self. Give me a break. It took 2 weeks of consant work, plus I had talked to a lawyer who told me they usually don't get involved until you are turned down, Catch 22. They have ways of turning anything against you. I do know a couple people who got it first time around. One had two feet amputated, and the other had a heart attack. I guess those are the 'lucky' 10 percent.

Back to the research
BCG

Re: not to spoil this party...

elliott on 1/07/02 at 13:53 (069075)

but the eligibility criteria for SSD are necessarily very strict, and the potential for abuse very great. There are some things about PF that make it even more problematic: There often is little way medically to distinguish between debilitating PF and manageable PF. Do you feel one foot is enough to qualify or both? And then it so happens that 'the vast majority of plantar fasciitis sufferers are eventually cured.' That's problematic in and of itself. And then once they're on the rolls, they're more reluctant to ever get off. If PF were included, many other ailments might have to be added too. Too large a population, too costly, too much potential for abuse. I'm not unsympathetic, just stating realities.

----

Re: It's no party, it's a nightmare !!

BrianG on 1/08/02 at 09:00 (069176)

I hear you Elliott, loud and clear. You are right, it's next to impossible to get SSD for PF. But after 7 years, I can no longer work, what else am I going to do? I will try to break new ground here, and be willing to share whatever it is that may help me. One thing in my favor is that you only have to be disabled for 1 year, to be elligble. Another thing that I think is in my favor is that SSD now has to include PAIN. Now this is a whole other ballgame, as we all know how subjective it is. They do have guidelines for pain, and I've met them all. It's now up to the lawyer to present my case in a way that I never could.

I'm in for the battle of my life, but I have no other options. My pain has never decreased in all these years, only increased. So, it's my party until the fat lady sings, and we have a long way to go before that happens. I'm glad you wrote in, I'm going to try even harder now!!! I guess it's never easy being the first at anything, and I don't even know if I am the 1st, but I'm sure going to give it my all.

BCG

Re: any other options?

elliott on 1/08/02 at 09:34 (069188)

Is it one foot or two for you? Have you tried ESWT? Surgery? Can you get a desk job? Can you get around at all?

----

Re: any other options?

Carol C on 1/08/02 at 15:23 (069235)

I still say..........PAIN IS NO PARTY!

Re: Agree. But "party" is not referring to the pain

elliott on 1/08/02 at 15:43 (069236)

but rather to the uniform posts of sympathy and suggestions to keep trying to gain SSD eligibility. Maybe you took me another way, and yes, words of sympathy can be comforting, but so can an abrupt wake-up call to try any and all alternatives rather than rely on gaining SSD eligibility. I'm trying to help too.

----

Re: somewhat related, hot off the press

elliott on 1/08/02 at 16:10 (069238)

this on carpal tunnel:

http://www.usatoday.com/money/general/2002/01/08/court-disability.htm

http://www.cnn.com/2002/LAW/01/08/scotus.disability/index.html

----

Re: Slim, to none

BrianG on 1/08/02 at 18:25 (069256)

I've got PF in both heels. I'd say I have about 2 hours in the morning when I can get some things done. Then I'm pretty much consumed by pain. I did go through a state program that helps disabled people find jobs. I did this while I was still working, looking for a sit down type of job. Because of the pain, and how it affects ME, they were not able to help me. I probably worked 2-3 years longer than I should have. The only reason I was able to even do that is because my doctor has me on some strong pain meds. For some reason, everyone percieves pain differently. I don't know the answer, but I do know that I've been a 'pain whimp' my whole life. I've had failed EPF surgery, but no ESWT yet. That will happen in the next year or two. Regards

BCG

Re: Agree. But "party" is not referring to the pain

Carol C on 1/09/02 at 06:06 (069297)

I just think we need to be sensitive to all. And I think for the most part all on this board are sensitivet to most. As for myself, I returned
to my regular job, ONE WEEK post-op TTS and CTS release. It has not been
the easiest thing to do---but I have been able to do it. While I have
been capable of doing this, I understand that not ALL people are able
of the same. Maybe some people have a higher level of pain or a lower
level of pain tolereance. Or maybe my employer is more tolerant of
my injury/illness than someone else may be. Maybe we don't know all of
the circumstances surrounding each and every case......I know that I don't, and I know that I am more comfortable being supportive of those
that need a kind word that I am of trying to play....shall we say----
the 'Devil's advocate?'
Ok...enough said by me.
Everyone have a nice day.

Re: Round #1 goes to Social Security.

Laurie R on 1/09/02 at 10:38 (069321)

Dear Brian , My brother has Hept C ,he has been going through some major treatment for this. He can't work due to all the meds he was on and the Hept C. He is trying also to get SSI . He calle dme the other day and was telling me all the BS he has to go through for SSI. He has no income now either . They just stoped his disibility because it was a year and it ran out . I am thinking how in the world does SSI expect people to live that can't work and have no income ....
Today in my local paper there was a story right on the front page all about SSI and how hard it is to get....
Makes no sence to me. I wish you all the luck in the world with SSI .. I feel as you do , you worked years over than what you should of . You deserve to get SSI.
Keep us posted ....Laurie R

Re: any other options?

john h on 1/09/02 at 11:14 (069326)

Carol: reading your post 'Pain is no Party' has me humming the old tune 'It's My Party And I will Cry If I Want To!'.

Re: Brian - I am behind you 100% !

Valerie S on 1/09/02 at 11:22 (069333)

Brian,

I feel your pain. I sent you an email too... I am struggling with beaurocratic bull and decision-making right now myself... but I feel that I don't deserve any more compensation, since my feet have started to get better. Even though my feet don't hurt like yours do, I just want you to know that you are not alone.

People who have not been debilitated by PF cannot understand how difficult a decision it is to give up your livelyhood because of this. I for one, am behind you 100%, you had a lot more endurance than I. Thanks for all the help and encouragement you gave me when I was working all those hours on my feet.

I know how hard it is to keep going, and I know that it's even harder to stop... don't give up the fight!

Your friend, Val.

Re: John...

Valerie S on 1/09/02 at 11:33 (069337)

Reading your post about 'It's my party...' reminds me of the time I fell rollerskating and broke my arm and they played 'Big Girls Don't Cry...'

I subsequently had 5 pins put in my wrist...

You would cry too if it happened to you... hee hee.

Re: think slim, then

elliott on 1/09/02 at 14:11 (069364)

Do you have to wait a year or two for ESWT? That's a long time. I think in similar circumstances I'd borrow and/or go to Canada if necessary. If you were equipped with one of those 'nuclear-powered' wheelchairs, would it then be possible to work? Someone at my work has one of these and gets around great. Finally, maybe there's a home job w/computer to be had.

I know it's not easy, but it's high-risk waiting for SSD, and even then you'll have to wait very very long, and even then it's not where you want to be if there are any options at all out there.

----

Re: Me, too!

Suzanne D on 1/09/02 at 16:25 (069383)

May you have strength for the fight ahead - and in the meantime, I hope things work out for you! Explore every option = as I know you are - and know that many people are behind you!

:-)