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has either of these ever happened to you?

Posted by elliott on 1/29/02 at 10:15 (071778)

You book an appt a month in advance to see a big-name foot specialist for your foot, and when your appt finally arrives, either

1. 'the swap': it is now the *other* foot really hurting, or

2. 'miraculous recovery': after being nearly crippled for that month, your foot miraculously improves right before your appt and your doc can't see the foot dysfunction you wanted to show him, and shortly after the appt the foot 'miraculously' returns to its previous state of decrepitude.

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Re: Phew

wendyn on 1/29/02 at 19:11 (071858)

Waited forever for this page to load to post a response - I almost gave up.

Elliott - this happens to me all the time...

It happens for the same reason that you drag your very sick kid into the emergency - and then they tear around the place laughing and giggling.

And for the same reason that I went to the doctor to demand to know why I wasn't getting pregnant (no jokes here) - to find out that I already was (no not know - long time ago).

It has something to do with Murphy's law.

Maybe we should all just keep a standing appointment for the following month to see if that helps!?

Re: has either of these ever happened to you?

Carole C in NOLA on 1/29/02 at 19:16 (071859)

This doesn't just happen with doctors, it happens with TV repairmen, auto mechanics, and more. All you can do is just tell the doctor. He probably has had this happen too, the last time he took his Porsche in for a tune-up.

Carole C

Re: Phew

Suzanne D on 1/29/02 at 20:00 (071867)

Wendy, I had thought exactly the same thing about taking my children to the doctor when they were young. I lost track of the times when we were on our way to the doctor's office and one of my daughters said, 'You know, Mama, my throat really doesn't hurt so much any more!'

I was also thinking of the connection to Murphy's Law. Seems to be a universal thing...:-)

Re: Suzanne

wendyn on 1/29/02 at 22:34 (071880)

Although - sometimes you just never know...

I remember taking my youngest to the Children's hospital emerg on Christmas eve one year after being sent there from a walk-in clinic.

My little guy (then about 2) is singing at the top of his lungs in the car seat, as my husband and I wondered just why the hell we were going to the hospital.

Turned out, he had a hernia that had to be (reduced?) by a sugeon manually - then he was operated on 2 days later.

Another time, I picked my other son up (then about 12 years old) from school. (men - you may want to skip this part)...he was having pain in his testicle. But - he was goofing off in the car so much I almost thought he was making it up. I picked him up at 2 pm - they did emergency surgery on him at 5pm - he had a testicular tortion (sp?), evidentally after 8 hours you lose the testicle.

Always best to err on the side of caution - with kids, sometimes you just can't tell!!!!

Re: I agree!

Suzanne D on 1/30/02 at 08:30 (071907)

When my daughters were young, it seemed I spent a great deal of time taking them to the doctor for this or that. This sometimes irritated my husband who thought I overreacted to their illnesses. But I had enough times like you spoke of which made me forever adhere to the policy of 'best to err on the side of caution'!

I remember taking my younger daughter to the pediatrician one Saturday morning when she was about a year or so old. She was pulling on her ear and just seemed too quiet although she wasn't crying. Turns out her eardrum was about to burst, and the doctor made a big deal of telling me to get the first dose of medicine in her at the drug store and not to wait until I got home.

So you're right: you just never know; especially with kids!

Re: loading time

elliott on 1/30/02 at 22:50 (072028)

My new home computer is lightening fast on these boards. But my work computer is so slow (not to mention the duplicate and misplaced posts, which I think is linked somehow to slow speed) that I can't really post there at all anymore (guess I'll just have to get my work done instead :-)).

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Re: loading time

wendyn on 1/30/02 at 23:19 (072029)

Elliott - I found it unbearably slow last night and this morning...now it's not so bad - maybe it comes and goes?

Re: loading time

John h on 1/31/02 at 16:51 (072115)

wendy: maybe your post sometimes have to travel by dog sled part of the way. Maybe you guys need to optimize your hard drive.

Re: loading time

Carole C in NOLA on 1/31/02 at 17:53 (072120)

No wonder the pages have taken so long for me to load down here in southern Louisiana. My posts have to wind their way out of the swamp by pirogue. Then just when I think they are getting somewhere, one of those dogs runs off with them.

Carole C

(six month old high end computer, defragged hard drive, cable modem)

Re: loading time

elliott on 1/31/02 at 18:35 (072121)

It was working fine at work until Scott made changes. It has something to do with those changes.

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Re: loading time

JudyS on 2/01/02 at 12:39 (072184)

Sometimes it helps load time to occasionally empty your 'temporary internet files' via Tools/Internet Options......

Re: loading time

Nancy N on 2/01/02 at 15:42 (072201)

If you have a high-speed connection, you can also try setting your cache file size to zero. Browsers will cache files (files saved to the hard drive for later retrieval) by default, because dial-up connections are slower than the time it takes to dig up the cached file. But if you have a high-speed connection (DSL, Cable, a LAN connection at work), it's usually faster to just go get the page again. I've had mine set this way for months and have had no trouble with it. If you have a high-speed connection with a large cache file, the time it takes for your browser to dig through the cache file might account for some of the delay. I haven't had trouble loading any pages here lately, that I've noticed.

The location for this preference varies depending on which browser you're using--in Mac IE, it's in Edit-Preferences-Web Browser-Advanced. I think Mac/PC Netscape have it under Edit-Preferences-Advanced-Cache, but it's been a long time since I've looked at Netscape, so don't depend on that being totally accurate. I have no idea where it is on the PC version of IE but I would guess it's under Tools-Options somewhere.

Re: loading time (cache files)

Nancy N on 2/01/02 at 15:43 (072202)

Looking at Judy's post again, it looks to me like the PC version of IE has to be different than everybody else and call cache files 'temporary internet files.' Whatever. They're the same thing.

Re: loading time (cache files)

JudyS on 2/01/02 at 16:17 (072209)

That's my guess too, Nen. I went and did a search for 'cache' and couldn't find a file specific to IE. So I'm ending up guessing that it's the same thing - Tools/Internet Options/Temporary Files.....
although I could be wrong. It's happened before. :)

Re: loading time (cache files)

Nancy N on 2/01/02 at 16:20 (072210)

Microsoft never ceases to make me shake my head. Why they're called 'cache files' on the Mac version and 'temporary internet files' on the PC version is beyond me.

Re: loading time

John h on 2/01/02 at 16:36 (072214)

Good point on empting the cache nancy if you are using highspeed internet. As a matter of fact I set the cache preferences ot zero so I am always directily accessing the pages.

Re: loading time

Nancy N on 2/01/02 at 16:45 (072219)

Me too--I was wondering if I might have got this advice from you, actually.

And don't look now, but your double-posting bug is back :)

Re: loading time

nancy s. on 2/01/02 at 16:48 (072221)

i don't understand this.
i don't understand this.
but that's okay.
but that's okay.
nancy
nancy

Re: tried it; didn't work

elliott on 2/02/02 at 19:15 (072334)

I don't have Mac on either computer, so that's not it, at least for me.

My work computer (dreadfully slow load, sometimes double and misplaced posts) has Explorer 5.5, my home (fast) has 7.0. Does that have anything to do with it?

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Re: tried it; didn't work

Carole C in NOLA on 2/02/02 at 23:18 (072374)

I have MSIE 5.5 and I don't get double posts.

Next hypothesis? (grin)

Carole C

Re: tried it; didn't work

john h on 2/03/02 at 11:16 (072418)

carol c
carol c
just you wait
just you waint
you do not get double post yet
you do not get double post yet

Re: tried it; didn't work

Nancy N on 2/03/02 at 12:37 (072425)

Elliott--

I'm not sure what you mean by 'I don't have Mac on either computer.' I can't find anything in the post you replied to that gives me a clue if you're just saying that you don't have a Mac, or something else. But I'll try to explain anyway--if I obviously haven't understood, please clarify and I'll try again. (I am assuming we're talking about slow load time here, not double-postings, which are still a mystery to me).

Your work computer may be overloaded with temporarily cached files. Judy uses IE for the PC, so I would say you need to go to Tools-Options and look for something that lets you delete your 'temporary internet files.' That might make a difference. Also, you can set the cache file size (no idea if that's called something else on the PC version, sorry) to Zero, which keeps IE from caching anything at all, which should help things load faster as well. But setting the cache to zero will only speed things up if you have a high-speed connection, which you probably do at work. It won't help if you are on a 56K dial-up modem--and may make things slower if that's your connection method.

So, have I made it all as clear as mud? Not sure, so let me know if I need to try again.

Re: tried it; didn't work

Carole C in NOLA on 2/03/02 at 15:30 (072455)

and I won't, john h
and I won't, john h
voodoo techno-geeks from deepest darkest New Orleans never double post
voodoo techno-geeks from deepest darkest New Orleans never double post
at least not on the first sunday in february
at least not on the first sunday in february
have a nice day
have a nice day

Re: Nancy, still doesn't work

elliott on 2/04/02 at 12:59 (072538)

At least at the start of my typing this, there was a rare lull in the slow loading, so I'll give this post a try.

In case anyone thinks it's a Mac computer at fault, I'm just pointing out mine aren't.

A co-worker who knows his computer stuff suggested I do the tools, internet options, connections, lan settings, and then uncheck anything checked there (e.g. 'automatically detect settings' and 'use proxy server box'. That seems to buy me one free click! Then it's back to same old slow. (His computer too.)

I still claim things slowed to a trickle at the very time Scott said in one of his posts (that I can't find right now, especially in slow mode) something like he was re-copying or re-loading files and until then things would be slow-loading. But that was several weeks ago. Maybe it's some weird combo of my work's firewall and Scott's changes. Any reason why the URLs for the Message boards end in 'safe'?

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Re: Nancy, still doesn't work

Carole C in NOLA on 2/04/02 at 16:15 (072556)

Elliott, I wondered that myself... why safe? I'm just glad it doesn't end with 'unsafe'. That would *really* catch my eye! (grin)

Carole C

Re: Nancy, still doesn't work

Nancy N on 2/04/02 at 16:18 (072559)

Elliott--

I have a Mac, and mine is fine, so that does rule out the Mac OS. My work computer seems to be fine, though, and that is a PC.

You don't mention whether or not you cleared out the 'Temporary Internet Files' on your PC's IE. I would give that a try. Barring that, I would say that it is just something about your connection at work. I doubt it's anything Scott did or we would all be having the same problem.

Just my guess, from my tech-support universe...

Re: yes, like I said, I did that, still doesn't work

elliott on 2/04/02 at 16:33 (072561)

And other than that brief hiatus, I'm back to slow load, like a minute or more per click. I'll reiterate, it was working fine until that time. I think others here have said they're experiencing slowing too.

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Re: yes, like I said, I did that, still doesn't work

Carole C in NOLA on 2/04/02 at 17:06 (072564)

I was having some intermittent slowing, but today I'm not. I cleaned out my temporary internet files and set the cache size to zero. That's a great idea for me, since I'm on cable modem. Thanks for the suggestion! It has speeded up my general internet access just a hair.

Maybe cleaning out these temporary internet files fixed it, but I wonder since I didn't notice this tremendous slowness with other message boards or sites that I frequent. The intermittent slowness problem has not happened to me in the past couple of days or so.

Elliott, maybe you are just really unlucky! I hope not.

Carole C

Re: yes, like I said, I did that, still doesn't work

john h on 2/05/02 at 09:56 (072625)

this is no easy task and unless you are sort of a computer geek do not do it. Once a year I totally clear my hard drive and do what is called a Clean Install. I reinstall all my software, and operating system and files. You of course need the CD's from your software to reinstall and you need to have all your important files backed up on a disc to reinstall. Over time your computer stores a lot of junk that you no longer need and often conflicts with other software. even when you uninstall old software bits of it are left all over the computer. It is amazing how much faster my computer reacts after I perform this. It is time consuming and again I warn you need to be a computer geek to do this. Danger Danger Will Robinson.

Re: yes, like I said, I did that, still doesn't work

JudyS on 2/05/02 at 10:11 (072628)

Elliot - my apologies up front because you've probably already said what sort of internet connection you have.......
what sort of internet connection do you have? If your co-worker's internet is loading slowly also that may be the best clue you have.
As far as your own work computer - have you 'cleaned house' by doing a defrag? Or did you already say that also?

Re: yes, like I said, I did that, still doesn't work

Carole C in NOLA on 2/05/02 at 16:55 (072670)

Oh, yes, you are right about that being a pain in the neck! I had to do that on the day before Christmas, due to something one of my dates did to my computer. (NEVER let a date touch your computer, all you singles out there. They always seem to overestimate what they can do, and so you always end up having to reformat your hard drive).

All that I have with my computer are recover disks, that reformat the hard drive and reinstall the original software and operating system. So I did that, and then laboriously rebuilt and reconfigured my computer from scratch, step by step, just as thought it was new. Then I ran scan disk and defrag. What a shock! it was hardly fragmented, after all that. :)

Carole C

Re: Phew

wendyn on 1/29/02 at 19:11 (071858)

Waited forever for this page to load to post a response - I almost gave up.

Elliott - this happens to me all the time...

It happens for the same reason that you drag your very sick kid into the emergency - and then they tear around the place laughing and giggling.

And for the same reason that I went to the doctor to demand to know why I wasn't getting pregnant (no jokes here) - to find out that I already was (no not know - long time ago).

It has something to do with Murphy's law.

Maybe we should all just keep a standing appointment for the following month to see if that helps!?

Re: has either of these ever happened to you?

Carole C in NOLA on 1/29/02 at 19:16 (071859)

This doesn't just happen with doctors, it happens with TV repairmen, auto mechanics, and more. All you can do is just tell the doctor. He probably has had this happen too, the last time he took his Porsche in for a tune-up.

Carole C

Re: Phew

Suzanne D on 1/29/02 at 20:00 (071867)

Wendy, I had thought exactly the same thing about taking my children to the doctor when they were young. I lost track of the times when we were on our way to the doctor's office and one of my daughters said, 'You know, Mama, my throat really doesn't hurt so much any more!'

I was also thinking of the connection to Murphy's Law. Seems to be a universal thing...:-)

Re: Suzanne

wendyn on 1/29/02 at 22:34 (071880)

Although - sometimes you just never know...

I remember taking my youngest to the Children's hospital emerg on Christmas eve one year after being sent there from a walk-in clinic.

My little guy (then about 2) is singing at the top of his lungs in the car seat, as my husband and I wondered just why the hell we were going to the hospital.

Turned out, he had a hernia that had to be (reduced?) by a sugeon manually - then he was operated on 2 days later.

Another time, I picked my other son up (then about 12 years old) from school. (men - you may want to skip this part)...he was having pain in his testicle. But - he was goofing off in the car so much I almost thought he was making it up. I picked him up at 2 pm - they did emergency surgery on him at 5pm - he had a testicular tortion (sp?), evidentally after 8 hours you lose the testicle.

Always best to err on the side of caution - with kids, sometimes you just can't tell!!!!

Re: I agree!

Suzanne D on 1/30/02 at 08:30 (071907)

When my daughters were young, it seemed I spent a great deal of time taking them to the doctor for this or that. This sometimes irritated my husband who thought I overreacted to their illnesses. But I had enough times like you spoke of which made me forever adhere to the policy of 'best to err on the side of caution'!

I remember taking my younger daughter to the pediatrician one Saturday morning when she was about a year or so old. She was pulling on her ear and just seemed too quiet although she wasn't crying. Turns out her eardrum was about to burst, and the doctor made a big deal of telling me to get the first dose of medicine in her at the drug store and not to wait until I got home.

So you're right: you just never know; especially with kids!

Re: loading time

elliott on 1/30/02 at 22:50 (072028)

My new home computer is lightening fast on these boards. But my work computer is so slow (not to mention the duplicate and misplaced posts, which I think is linked somehow to slow speed) that I can't really post there at all anymore (guess I'll just have to get my work done instead :-)).

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Re: loading time

wendyn on 1/30/02 at 23:19 (072029)

Elliott - I found it unbearably slow last night and this morning...now it's not so bad - maybe it comes and goes?

Re: loading time

John h on 1/31/02 at 16:51 (072115)

wendy: maybe your post sometimes have to travel by dog sled part of the way. Maybe you guys need to optimize your hard drive.

Re: loading time

Carole C in NOLA on 1/31/02 at 17:53 (072120)

No wonder the pages have taken so long for me to load down here in southern Louisiana. My posts have to wind their way out of the swamp by pirogue. Then just when I think they are getting somewhere, one of those dogs runs off with them.

Carole C

(six month old high end computer, defragged hard drive, cable modem)

Re: loading time

elliott on 1/31/02 at 18:35 (072121)

It was working fine at work until Scott made changes. It has something to do with those changes.

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Re: loading time

JudyS on 2/01/02 at 12:39 (072184)

Sometimes it helps load time to occasionally empty your 'temporary internet files' via Tools/Internet Options......

Re: loading time

Nancy N on 2/01/02 at 15:42 (072201)

If you have a high-speed connection, you can also try setting your cache file size to zero. Browsers will cache files (files saved to the hard drive for later retrieval) by default, because dial-up connections are slower than the time it takes to dig up the cached file. But if you have a high-speed connection (DSL, Cable, a LAN connection at work), it's usually faster to just go get the page again. I've had mine set this way for months and have had no trouble with it. If you have a high-speed connection with a large cache file, the time it takes for your browser to dig through the cache file might account for some of the delay. I haven't had trouble loading any pages here lately, that I've noticed.

The location for this preference varies depending on which browser you're using--in Mac IE, it's in Edit-Preferences-Web Browser-Advanced. I think Mac/PC Netscape have it under Edit-Preferences-Advanced-Cache, but it's been a long time since I've looked at Netscape, so don't depend on that being totally accurate. I have no idea where it is on the PC version of IE but I would guess it's under Tools-Options somewhere.

Re: loading time (cache files)

Nancy N on 2/01/02 at 15:43 (072202)

Looking at Judy's post again, it looks to me like the PC version of IE has to be different than everybody else and call cache files 'temporary internet files.' Whatever. They're the same thing.

Re: loading time (cache files)

JudyS on 2/01/02 at 16:17 (072209)

That's my guess too, Nen. I went and did a search for 'cache' and couldn't find a file specific to IE. So I'm ending up guessing that it's the same thing - Tools/Internet Options/Temporary Files.....
although I could be wrong. It's happened before. :)

Re: loading time (cache files)

Nancy N on 2/01/02 at 16:20 (072210)

Microsoft never ceases to make me shake my head. Why they're called 'cache files' on the Mac version and 'temporary internet files' on the PC version is beyond me.

Re: loading time

John h on 2/01/02 at 16:36 (072214)

Good point on empting the cache nancy if you are using highspeed internet. As a matter of fact I set the cache preferences ot zero so I am always directily accessing the pages.

Re: loading time

Nancy N on 2/01/02 at 16:45 (072219)

Me too--I was wondering if I might have got this advice from you, actually.

And don't look now, but your double-posting bug is back :)

Re: loading time

nancy s. on 2/01/02 at 16:48 (072221)

i don't understand this.
i don't understand this.
but that's okay.
but that's okay.
nancy
nancy

Re: tried it; didn't work

elliott on 2/02/02 at 19:15 (072334)

I don't have Mac on either computer, so that's not it, at least for me.

My work computer (dreadfully slow load, sometimes double and misplaced posts) has Explorer 5.5, my home (fast) has 7.0. Does that have anything to do with it?

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Re: tried it; didn't work

Carole C in NOLA on 2/02/02 at 23:18 (072374)

I have MSIE 5.5 and I don't get double posts.

Next hypothesis? (grin)

Carole C

Re: tried it; didn't work

john h on 2/03/02 at 11:16 (072418)

carol c
carol c
just you wait
just you waint
you do not get double post yet
you do not get double post yet

Re: tried it; didn't work

Nancy N on 2/03/02 at 12:37 (072425)

Elliott--

I'm not sure what you mean by 'I don't have Mac on either computer.' I can't find anything in the post you replied to that gives me a clue if you're just saying that you don't have a Mac, or something else. But I'll try to explain anyway--if I obviously haven't understood, please clarify and I'll try again. (I am assuming we're talking about slow load time here, not double-postings, which are still a mystery to me).

Your work computer may be overloaded with temporarily cached files. Judy uses IE for the PC, so I would say you need to go to Tools-Options and look for something that lets you delete your 'temporary internet files.' That might make a difference. Also, you can set the cache file size (no idea if that's called something else on the PC version, sorry) to Zero, which keeps IE from caching anything at all, which should help things load faster as well. But setting the cache to zero will only speed things up if you have a high-speed connection, which you probably do at work. It won't help if you are on a 56K dial-up modem--and may make things slower if that's your connection method.

So, have I made it all as clear as mud? Not sure, so let me know if I need to try again.

Re: tried it; didn't work

Carole C in NOLA on 2/03/02 at 15:30 (072455)

and I won't, john h
and I won't, john h
voodoo techno-geeks from deepest darkest New Orleans never double post
voodoo techno-geeks from deepest darkest New Orleans never double post
at least not on the first sunday in february
at least not on the first sunday in february
have a nice day
have a nice day

Re: Nancy, still doesn't work

elliott on 2/04/02 at 12:59 (072538)

At least at the start of my typing this, there was a rare lull in the slow loading, so I'll give this post a try.

In case anyone thinks it's a Mac computer at fault, I'm just pointing out mine aren't.

A co-worker who knows his computer stuff suggested I do the tools, internet options, connections, lan settings, and then uncheck anything checked there (e.g. 'automatically detect settings' and 'use proxy server box'. That seems to buy me one free click! Then it's back to same old slow. (His computer too.)

I still claim things slowed to a trickle at the very time Scott said in one of his posts (that I can't find right now, especially in slow mode) something like he was re-copying or re-loading files and until then things would be slow-loading. But that was several weeks ago. Maybe it's some weird combo of my work's firewall and Scott's changes. Any reason why the URLs for the Message boards end in 'safe'?

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Re: Nancy, still doesn't work

Carole C in NOLA on 2/04/02 at 16:15 (072556)

Elliott, I wondered that myself... why safe? I'm just glad it doesn't end with 'unsafe'. That would *really* catch my eye! (grin)

Carole C

Re: Nancy, still doesn't work

Nancy N on 2/04/02 at 16:18 (072559)

Elliott--

I have a Mac, and mine is fine, so that does rule out the Mac OS. My work computer seems to be fine, though, and that is a PC.

You don't mention whether or not you cleared out the 'Temporary Internet Files' on your PC's IE. I would give that a try. Barring that, I would say that it is just something about your connection at work. I doubt it's anything Scott did or we would all be having the same problem.

Just my guess, from my tech-support universe...

Re: yes, like I said, I did that, still doesn't work

elliott on 2/04/02 at 16:33 (072561)

And other than that brief hiatus, I'm back to slow load, like a minute or more per click. I'll reiterate, it was working fine until that time. I think others here have said they're experiencing slowing too.

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Re: yes, like I said, I did that, still doesn't work

Carole C in NOLA on 2/04/02 at 17:06 (072564)

I was having some intermittent slowing, but today I'm not. I cleaned out my temporary internet files and set the cache size to zero. That's a great idea for me, since I'm on cable modem. Thanks for the suggestion! It has speeded up my general internet access just a hair.

Maybe cleaning out these temporary internet files fixed it, but I wonder since I didn't notice this tremendous slowness with other message boards or sites that I frequent. The intermittent slowness problem has not happened to me in the past couple of days or so.

Elliott, maybe you are just really unlucky! I hope not.

Carole C

Re: yes, like I said, I did that, still doesn't work

john h on 2/05/02 at 09:56 (072625)

this is no easy task and unless you are sort of a computer geek do not do it. Once a year I totally clear my hard drive and do what is called a Clean Install. I reinstall all my software, and operating system and files. You of course need the CD's from your software to reinstall and you need to have all your important files backed up on a disc to reinstall. Over time your computer stores a lot of junk that you no longer need and often conflicts with other software. even when you uninstall old software bits of it are left all over the computer. It is amazing how much faster my computer reacts after I perform this. It is time consuming and again I warn you need to be a computer geek to do this. Danger Danger Will Robinson.

Re: yes, like I said, I did that, still doesn't work

JudyS on 2/05/02 at 10:11 (072628)

Elliot - my apologies up front because you've probably already said what sort of internet connection you have.......
what sort of internet connection do you have? If your co-worker's internet is loading slowly also that may be the best clue you have.
As far as your own work computer - have you 'cleaned house' by doing a defrag? Or did you already say that also?

Re: yes, like I said, I did that, still doesn't work

Carole C in NOLA on 2/05/02 at 16:55 (072670)

Oh, yes, you are right about that being a pain in the neck! I had to do that on the day before Christmas, due to something one of my dates did to my computer. (NEVER let a date touch your computer, all you singles out there. They always seem to overestimate what they can do, and so you always end up having to reformat your hard drive).

All that I have with my computer are recover disks, that reformat the hard drive and reinstall the original software and operating system. So I did that, and then laboriously rebuilt and reconfigured my computer from scratch, step by step, just as thought it was new. Then I ran scan disk and defrag. What a shock! it was hardly fragmented, after all that. :)

Carole C