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ANYONE ever CURE PF?????

Posted by Mark on 2/27/02 at 15:46 (075195)

This ailment seems very similar to when i was looking up obsessive grooming disorder in cats. Everyone had all these hocus pocus ideas on how to possibly help it.. but i never read one full success story.

ANYONE cure this thing???? I'm going to go try the celebrex??? what dosage is good. I've been using a night splint but after about 3 hours of sleeping I was up and my toes are all numb???? And i have to take it off :(

Re: ANYONE ever CURE PF?????

rich on 2/27/02 at 16:20 (075197)

Mark, same thing happens to me with the night splint. Pod said I probably have heel too deep in the splint and it flexes against straps. It's better now that I keep the foot strap loosened a bit, I also removed the foam wedge that fits under the toes. Pod said as long as foot was in the flexed position (not necessarily a perfect right angle) I was getting the benefit of the overnight stretch. I bet they never tried to sleep in one of these things! Good Luck!

And no...I don't think I'm acting like my cat...YET! LOL :)

Re: ANYONE ever CURE PF?????

Carole C in NOLA on 2/27/02 at 17:11 (075201)

Mark, Celebrex alone won't cure it for most people. I took 400 mg/day for the first few weeks, and then went down to 200 mg/day once I was out of the acute phase and feeling less pain. I would suggest 200 mg and then you can always ask for more if it helps and you don't have side effects.

We do have success stories here, but most of the people that stick around are those without one to tell. So, it may seem more discouraging than it actually is. I can see your point about all the different ideas, but I think in this case the reason for that is that there are many different causes for PF, and so different people respond to different treatments. We are all lumped into the PF diagnosis, but what we are dealing with is not identical.

I haven't tried a night splint yet. I've heard that some people use it while they are awake, if they can't sleep with it. If your toes were numb, it sounds like it is too tight? But, I really haven't used one myself.

What else are you doing for it? I don't remember if I've read any other posts by you or not. As for me, I'm doing pretty well and getting better pretty consistently, though I'm not completely better yet. Here's what I'm doing besides my Celebrex, though these ideas may or may not work for you:

I read the heel pain book on this website.

I do very very gentle stretching (sitting down and non-weightbearing) several times a day.

I am having very good response to my custom soft orthotics, and my feet never touch the floor without them or my Birkenstocks.

In the shower I use a shower stool and shower shoes both.

I rest a lot, and completely quit my exercise routine (although I'm thinking of starting at least SOME of it again soon now that I'm healing).

If I over-do, I ice my foot and radically back off on my activities, and just rest rest rest. I try not to over-do, and that includes things like walking too much, or walking on concrete which really messes me up.

All of this seems to be working so far, with a pain level of 8-9 in mid-December gradually decreasing to a pain level of 1 right now. It takes a very long time to heal. I hope you do heal, and faster than I am!

Carole C

Re: ANYONE ever CURE PF?????

Pam B on 2/27/02 at 18:39 (075212)

My pod had me on 200mgs of Celebrex a day but my tummy could not deal with the stuff...........I have had this for at least eight years and can tell you what I told someone the other day.......it is like a cancer......it goes into remission but never really is cured........I dont want to scare you but I have yet to see anyone with it that ever got totally over it, myself included.........good luck to you and remember to use ice alot.......:)

Re: "They" say 90% are cured, hahaha Opps, sorry!

BrianG on 2/27/02 at 21:49 (075229)

Hey Mark,

I know a few people who were able to clear theirs up. I think their help came from anti-inflamatories and REST. If you work / walk on hard floors and concrete all day, it's going to be a bear to cure. Ice is good, and taping now and then can be a big help too. Good luck

BrianG

Re: ANYONE ever CURE PF?????

Julie on 2/28/02 at 01:55 (075249)

Mark, are you the same Mark who asked about compensation for job-related injury on the other board? If so, please read the responses you've had there.

It sounds from your desperate question about 'cure' as though you have not seen a foot specialist (or you would know that celebrex isn't the answer).

That's what you need to do - and soon. Find a podiatrist and get started on a regime of conservative treatment that is targetted at your specific condition.

And talk to your supervisors at work about a shift to sit-down duties.

If you're not the same Mark, please excuse me.

Re: ANYONE ever CURE PF?????

Judi R. on 2/28/02 at 11:09 (075281)

PF hit me 14 years ago and again 2 months ago, nothing in between. My activities have not changed, they are walking between 2 and 4 miles a day, dance 2 to 4 nights a week plus work full time. I don't want to change my fun life style but the pain is getting to be a problem. Just don't know what to do.

Re: ANYONE ever CURE PF?????

Richard, C.Ped on 2/28/02 at 13:17 (075295)

I agree with what has been posted. 'Cure' is a strong word. Plantar Fasciitis is pretty much defined as an overuse injury. What initiates the symptoms...hmmm...could be anything. I have seen it more in patients that are either flat footed, high arches, and short heel cords.

Good luck!
Richard

Re: ANYONE ever CURE PF?????

brianh on 2/28/02 at 13:50 (075302)

I cured PF first for myself, and then two friends who used the same solution as I did. I posted my solution back in April, 2001. I think you can still find my earlier posts by searching on 'brianh', so I won't bore you with the details.

Re: ANYONE ever CURE PF?????

Mark on 3/01/02 at 13:24 (075398)

I have my own route in the city. All concrete every step.. I have like 650 stops which is a lot but the mail is light because its in a bad neighborhood. I just started getting this PF in my right foot around September.. I went to a doctor and I bought expensive insoles for my shoes and started using a night splint. It never really gets worse just stays the same.. Hurts bad in the morning when I first get up I have to slide my first few steps instead of actually stepping down on it. After I get my shoes on its feels better for awhile and later in the day as I start my route its fine. But after about 3 hours of walking it starts to hurt as I step on it.. And I notice that I turn my foot inwards to help compensate for the pain. After I get done my route and drive back to the office is where it really hurts the most during the day (besides when I first wake up.) Its that first few steps out of the truck and back into the office that are a real pain. So anyway, I went back the the doctor twice for two cortizone shots which kinda helped for a week or so each time and now I'm thinking of asking for celebrex which someone in my office used to take away his pain. Not sure if that will work but I'm hoping. I read some cases where the pain gets real bad (like yours) and was hoping that maybe the oral anti inflamitorys like clebrex may help me. If that doesn't work then I guess the surgery is the next best thing? My doctory tries to talk me into getting it done last time I went.. And that is my main reason for wanting to get this thing categorized as work releated. After the surgery I'm going to have some down time which I need to be covered for.. And if something goes wrong during the surgery then its even more important. I'm hoping for the celebrex to work like that guy at work.

Any thoughts, tips, ideas, suggestions?

PS: I finally tried icing it last night and it seemed okay but I wonder is that acutally helping it to heal or just covering the pain while its numb?

Re: ANYONE ever CURE PF?????

Julie on 3/01/02 at 15:21 (075415)

Mark, did you see my question? Have you seen a podiatrist? Have you read the heel pain book?

I can't believe you have, or you wouldn't still be thinking that anti-inflammatories and surgery are the only possible treatment options open to you.

Get cracking on informing yourself. Meanwhile, here's a bit of advice. If you have pain first thing in the morning, and after sitting, make sure you stretch before getting up. Bend your feet backwards and forwards at the ankles, and rotate your ankles several times in each direction. That will loosen you up and reduce the pain when you put weight on your feet.

Re: ANYONE ever CURE PF?????

Sandy H. on 3/06/02 at 21:27 (075879)

Do you walk in running shoes? Have you tried motion control running shoes. I couldn't walk as far as I do without pain if I wasn't wearing them that's for sure. I tried orthotics and ditched them because hitting my arches on a hard surface of any kind had the same result. Just a thought.

Re: ANYONE ever CURE PF?????

rich on 2/27/02 at 16:20 (075197)

Mark, same thing happens to me with the night splint. Pod said I probably have heel too deep in the splint and it flexes against straps. It's better now that I keep the foot strap loosened a bit, I also removed the foam wedge that fits under the toes. Pod said as long as foot was in the flexed position (not necessarily a perfect right angle) I was getting the benefit of the overnight stretch. I bet they never tried to sleep in one of these things! Good Luck!

And no...I don't think I'm acting like my cat...YET! LOL :)

Re: ANYONE ever CURE PF?????

Carole C in NOLA on 2/27/02 at 17:11 (075201)

Mark, Celebrex alone won't cure it for most people. I took 400 mg/day for the first few weeks, and then went down to 200 mg/day once I was out of the acute phase and feeling less pain. I would suggest 200 mg and then you can always ask for more if it helps and you don't have side effects.

We do have success stories here, but most of the people that stick around are those without one to tell. So, it may seem more discouraging than it actually is. I can see your point about all the different ideas, but I think in this case the reason for that is that there are many different causes for PF, and so different people respond to different treatments. We are all lumped into the PF diagnosis, but what we are dealing with is not identical.

I haven't tried a night splint yet. I've heard that some people use it while they are awake, if they can't sleep with it. If your toes were numb, it sounds like it is too tight? But, I really haven't used one myself.

What else are you doing for it? I don't remember if I've read any other posts by you or not. As for me, I'm doing pretty well and getting better pretty consistently, though I'm not completely better yet. Here's what I'm doing besides my Celebrex, though these ideas may or may not work for you:

I read the heel pain book on this website.

I do very very gentle stretching (sitting down and non-weightbearing) several times a day.

I am having very good response to my custom soft orthotics, and my feet never touch the floor without them or my Birkenstocks.

In the shower I use a shower stool and shower shoes both.

I rest a lot, and completely quit my exercise routine (although I'm thinking of starting at least SOME of it again soon now that I'm healing).

If I over-do, I ice my foot and radically back off on my activities, and just rest rest rest. I try not to over-do, and that includes things like walking too much, or walking on concrete which really messes me up.

All of this seems to be working so far, with a pain level of 8-9 in mid-December gradually decreasing to a pain level of 1 right now. It takes a very long time to heal. I hope you do heal, and faster than I am!

Carole C

Re: ANYONE ever CURE PF?????

Pam B on 2/27/02 at 18:39 (075212)

My pod had me on 200mgs of Celebrex a day but my tummy could not deal with the stuff...........I have had this for at least eight years and can tell you what I told someone the other day.......it is like a cancer......it goes into remission but never really is cured........I dont want to scare you but I have yet to see anyone with it that ever got totally over it, myself included.........good luck to you and remember to use ice alot.......:)

Re: "They" say 90% are cured, hahaha Opps, sorry!

BrianG on 2/27/02 at 21:49 (075229)

Hey Mark,

I know a few people who were able to clear theirs up. I think their help came from anti-inflamatories and REST. If you work / walk on hard floors and concrete all day, it's going to be a bear to cure. Ice is good, and taping now and then can be a big help too. Good luck

BrianG

Re: ANYONE ever CURE PF?????

Julie on 2/28/02 at 01:55 (075249)

Mark, are you the same Mark who asked about compensation for job-related injury on the other board? If so, please read the responses you've had there.

It sounds from your desperate question about 'cure' as though you have not seen a foot specialist (or you would know that celebrex isn't the answer).

That's what you need to do - and soon. Find a podiatrist and get started on a regime of conservative treatment that is targetted at your specific condition.

And talk to your supervisors at work about a shift to sit-down duties.

If you're not the same Mark, please excuse me.

Re: ANYONE ever CURE PF?????

Judi R. on 2/28/02 at 11:09 (075281)

PF hit me 14 years ago and again 2 months ago, nothing in between. My activities have not changed, they are walking between 2 and 4 miles a day, dance 2 to 4 nights a week plus work full time. I don't want to change my fun life style but the pain is getting to be a problem. Just don't know what to do.

Re: ANYONE ever CURE PF?????

Richard, C.Ped on 2/28/02 at 13:17 (075295)

I agree with what has been posted. 'Cure' is a strong word. Plantar Fasciitis is pretty much defined as an overuse injury. What initiates the symptoms...hmmm...could be anything. I have seen it more in patients that are either flat footed, high arches, and short heel cords.

Good luck!
Richard

Re: ANYONE ever CURE PF?????

brianh on 2/28/02 at 13:50 (075302)

I cured PF first for myself, and then two friends who used the same solution as I did. I posted my solution back in April, 2001. I think you can still find my earlier posts by searching on 'brianh', so I won't bore you with the details.

Re: ANYONE ever CURE PF?????

Mark on 3/01/02 at 13:24 (075398)

I have my own route in the city. All concrete every step.. I have like 650 stops which is a lot but the mail is light because its in a bad neighborhood. I just started getting this PF in my right foot around September.. I went to a doctor and I bought expensive insoles for my shoes and started using a night splint. It never really gets worse just stays the same.. Hurts bad in the morning when I first get up I have to slide my first few steps instead of actually stepping down on it. After I get my shoes on its feels better for awhile and later in the day as I start my route its fine. But after about 3 hours of walking it starts to hurt as I step on it.. And I notice that I turn my foot inwards to help compensate for the pain. After I get done my route and drive back to the office is where it really hurts the most during the day (besides when I first wake up.) Its that first few steps out of the truck and back into the office that are a real pain. So anyway, I went back the the doctor twice for two cortizone shots which kinda helped for a week or so each time and now I'm thinking of asking for celebrex which someone in my office used to take away his pain. Not sure if that will work but I'm hoping. I read some cases where the pain gets real bad (like yours) and was hoping that maybe the oral anti inflamitorys like clebrex may help me. If that doesn't work then I guess the surgery is the next best thing? My doctory tries to talk me into getting it done last time I went.. And that is my main reason for wanting to get this thing categorized as work releated. After the surgery I'm going to have some down time which I need to be covered for.. And if something goes wrong during the surgery then its even more important. I'm hoping for the celebrex to work like that guy at work.

Any thoughts, tips, ideas, suggestions?

PS: I finally tried icing it last night and it seemed okay but I wonder is that acutally helping it to heal or just covering the pain while its numb?

Re: ANYONE ever CURE PF?????

Julie on 3/01/02 at 15:21 (075415)

Mark, did you see my question? Have you seen a podiatrist? Have you read the heel pain book?

I can't believe you have, or you wouldn't still be thinking that anti-inflammatories and surgery are the only possible treatment options open to you.

Get cracking on informing yourself. Meanwhile, here's a bit of advice. If you have pain first thing in the morning, and after sitting, make sure you stretch before getting up. Bend your feet backwards and forwards at the ankles, and rotate your ankles several times in each direction. That will loosen you up and reduce the pain when you put weight on your feet.

Re: ANYONE ever CURE PF?????

Sandy H. on 3/06/02 at 21:27 (075879)

Do you walk in running shoes? Have you tried motion control running shoes. I couldn't walk as far as I do without pain if I wasn't wearing them that's for sure. I tried orthotics and ditched them because hitting my arches on a hard surface of any kind had the same result. Just a thought.