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Doctor #7 says nothing can be done.

Posted by Kathryn R. on 3/22/02 at 09:54 (077193)

I saw Doc #7 today, he said nothing can be done to make my foot improve. My original x-rays wouldn't show rupture of achillies tendon, he wouldn't come right out and say Physical therapy before MRI had anything to do with it. He was evasive like most of the others. Thanks to all who helped me with all their advice.

Kathryn R.

Re: Keep looking

BrianG on 3/22/02 at 22:53 (077264)

Hi Kathryn,

Sorry you had no luck with number 7. Have you seen a foot and ankle specialist yet? Most likely they can be found at some of the larger hospitals. There was one who posted here a few times, Arthur Manoli, MD You could check the 'Search' feature for his entries.

Keep looking, don't give up yet. You'll find someone soon. Good luck

BrianG, not a doc

Re: Keep looking

Ellen J. on 3/23/02 at 08:05 (077278)

Hi Kathryn,
I second Brian's message. I do believe that persistance pays off. I don't know if you might have run out of the mental energy needed to keep going or if it is too expensive to keep searching but I hope you are able to find some help. I am currently trying to figure out how to locate the best specialists for foot problems. I have some contacts in Boston who might be able to help find one, but I'm about to see some local doctors first. I wonder if you have done a search in larger cities?
I remember your posts earlier and I sure hope you can find the right person.
Ellen J.

Re: Keep looking to Brian

Kathryn R. on 3/23/02 at 08:41 (077279)

Brian the doctor I saw yesterday grinned the whole time I was in there. My sister goes with me all the time, she asks questions too. My nerves are shot. I could go to Pittsburgh, but I never drove there. Maybe Johnstown.
The doc yesterday grinned when he said I will be like this the rest of my life. I'm beginning to think all ortho doc's here are alike. All except one and he referred me to grinny. I have alot of thinking to do. You have been great.

Kathryn R.

Re: Keep looking Ellen J.

Kathryn R. on 3/23/02 at 08:52 (077283)

Ellen like I told Brian, my nerves are shot. This happened May 2000, and everytime I get my hopes built up, they get shot down. Doc grinny said I would be like this for the rest of my life. That's really something to look forward to. I can't play ball, or throw frisbee with my neice and nephew anymore. One good thing has happened tho the doctor who messed me up seems to have lost patients. If you read my story of the 30 year old woman who passed away after 2 surgerys from this doc, I failed to mention that young woman died when a blood clot went to her heart and that's what killed her. It was doctors fault for not following through with her. She left a cute little girl who no longer has a mother.

Kathryn R.

Re: Doctor #7 says nothing can be done.

Ed Davis, DPM on 3/23/02 at 16:28 (077326)

You have not provided us with details of your case. Perhaps you have posted previously with more information but it is not easy for us to try to track down old posts and link them to current ones. An achilles rupture takes about 30 seconds to diagnose and is done clinically as opposed to by x-ray. The faster the tendon can be repaired the better. Old ruptures are still repairable but take longer to heal.
Ed

Re: Don't give up, they are not all grinnys !!

BrianG on 3/23/02 at 23:11 (077363)

I'm glad you have your sister to help you. It may be time to ask her for even more help. It's obviously time for some research, and it can't hurt to have some one advocating for you. Ask your sister for help, you can always repay her at a later date. Dr. Arhur Manoli, I really think he is the type of doctor you should be seeing. You can find his office from an internet search engine. If you need a little help, with research, just let me know.

BrianG

Re: Doctor #7 says nothing can be done.

Julie on 3/24/02 at 02:50 (077367)

Kathryn, Dr Ed Davis is very knowledgeable and helpful, and it would be useful to you to have his input. He has obviously missed your previous posts so I suggest you copy the one that gives all your details into a new post for him so that he can catch up with them and tell you what he thinks.

Re: ED Davis

Kathryn R. on 3/24/02 at 06:37 (077371)

I couldn'teven start to begin. My foot was diagnosed as a sprained ankle and torn ligament. Later after orthopedic surgeon sent me to therapy An MRI showed complete rupture of achillies tendon. Everything pretty much went down hill from there. Surgery didn't help, the doc sure didn't help. He dropped me like moulton lava when he saw the mess he made out of my foot. He refused to send his own personal info to other doctors. The last doctor said I'll be like this the rest of my life.

Kathryn R.

Re: Don't give up, they are not all grinnys !! Brian

Kathryn R. on 3/24/02 at 06:44 (077372)

Brian I feel like were old friends. I'll take that help about Dr. Manoli. As I stated before I'm really not that good on the internet,but I try. My sister has been helping me since day one. She practically carried me when this happened. She'll continue to help, she can be pushy sometimes.

Kathryn R.

Re: Doctor #7 says nothing can be done. Julie

Kathryn R. on 3/24/02 at 06:48 (077374)

Thanks for your input. I tried to give Dr. Ed Davis a short version of what happened. It would take a long time to tell all. Maybe sometime I'll be able to tell him all. My nerves have been a mess for sometime now, everyone has been of great help.

Kathryn R.

Re: Don't give up, they are not all grinnys !! Brian

DR Zuckerman on 3/24/02 at 07:32 (077376)

There are many ways to repair a very poor surgical result of the achilles tendon. Take Brian advice and see his doctor recommendation. If you can't get help let me know I know a few doctor who are exellent foot and ankle specialists both orthopedic and podiatric. Don't give up hope .

Re: Don't give up, they are not all grinnys !!

BG CPed on 3/24/02 at 11:16 (077391)

I do lots of work for the good Dr Manoli and he is very good with achille/heel cord issues. I think you would find him to be very attentive also. He recently presented a paper/talk on the evolution of achille tendon at the foot&ankle academy meeting. I cant say that he could fix it but if your current Dr. gave you such a bleak outlook it would be worth giving him a try.

Re: Don't give up, they are not all grinnys !! DR Zuckerman

Kathryn R. on 3/24/02 at 12:57 (077400)

My hopes and spirits are at nerves end. I keep hoping something will come up. I'll take those names of foot and ankle specialist. I live in Pennsylvania.

Kathryn R.

Re: Don't give up, they are not all grinnys !! DR Zuckerman

DR Zuckerman on 3/24/02 at 14:58 (077407)

Dr. Frank Tursi
Voohees, New Jersey

I have know him for the past eight years. He is tops. He does all of my
ankle surgery and trauma surgery in our practice. He the chief of podiatry
at Our Lady of Lourdes Hospital . Smart with a great bedside manner.

Has alot of experience in the non-surgical and surgical repair of rupture achilles tendons. If it can't be fixed well if can't fixed.

Re: Don't give up, they are not all grinnys !! DR Zuckerman againn

Kathryn R. on 3/24/02 at 17:06 (077424)

DR Zuckerman it might be worth looking into thanks.
Kathryn R.

Re: Don't give up, they are not all grinnys !! DR Zuckerman againn

DR Zuckerman on 3/24/02 at 17:23 (077427)

The guy is really good. I once say him repair a rupture achilles tendon with a graph / No one wanted to do the repair. I call him and the patient is walking pain free today.

Re: Arthur Manoli, MD

BrianG on 3/24/02 at 23:46 (077463)

Hi Kathryn,

Here is th information I promised. Dr. Arthur Manoli is in Pontiac, Michigan. I realize it's a hike, but I do think he is the type of doctor that can help you. He may also give you a referrel closer to your home. The web site where you can reach him is: http://www.mifac.com/
Telephone: (248) 858-6773
e-mail: (email removed)

Good luck, I know you can use some
BrianG

Re: Arthur Manoli, MD Brian

Kathryn R. on 3/25/02 at 12:18 (077502)

Thank you for the luck and info.
Kathryn R.

Re: Don't give up, they are not all grinnys !! DR Zuckerman again and again

Kathryn R. on 3/25/02 at 12:22 (077504)

I'll be looking into the suggestions given to me. I can't say thank you enough to all

Kathryn R.

Re: ED Davis

Ed Davis, DPM on 3/26/02 at 00:13 (077567)

Kathryn:
Thank you for this information. Was your achilles tendon eventually repaired?
Ed

Re: Thank you Julie. Continuing threads..

Ed Davis, DPM on 3/26/02 at 00:22 (077568)

Julie:
I now recall a bit about Kathryn and the missed achilles rupture. Perhaps she can provide some more details about what finally happened to the achilles -- repaired properly or not. It sounds like her docs ran for cover when they realized the blunder. It is really terrible that that should happen -- the problematic US tort system is something that Great Britain has avoided.

I have run into this problem or delayed diagnosis or achilles rupture but each time I was able to successfully reconstruct the tendon to where it functioned well-- a rather interesting procedure.

I wish that this website had a better way of continuing subject threads so that posts can be connected. Posters often have messages broadly dispersed so tracking down the posts can be a problem. Perhaps there could be a way to call up all of the posts of a particular individual. Something for Scott to look at.
Ed

Re: Ed

Julie on 3/26/02 at 03:05 (077577)

Ed

Yes, it sounds as though Kathryn has been shamefully treated.

I would love her to have your perspective on her situation, and am going to suggest to her again that she find her original post, which told the whole story, and copy it into this thread so that you can think about it.

The problem, I think, is that heelspurs.com is so popular, with an everage of a hundred posts a day now, that it's hard to keep up with them all, and impossible to keep everyone's individual case in mind.

I think it would help if, in an ongoing 'conversation' (one that continues for a few days) people posted their new thoughts in the original thread so that we could easily refresh our memories.

There's also the search facility, but I rarely have time for that and usually - regretfully - skip over things I can't relate to previous posts.

Re: Kathryn

Julie on 3/26/02 at 03:07 (077578)

Kathryn, you don't have to explain it all over again. All you need to do is find your original post, the one in which you explained your situation. Highlight it and copy it into a new post, flagging it for Dr Ed. I think you will find his perspective helpful.

Re: For Julie and Scott

Ed Davis, DPM on 3/26/02 at 14:21 (077616)

Julie:

A number of forums are structured such that a poster may respond to a thread or start a new thread but related posts are always added onto that same thread so that an idea or issue is clustered and has continuity. A new post added to an old thread then moves the thread to the top of the page so it is then noticed.
Ed

Re: For Julie and Scott

BrianG on 3/26/02 at 16:12 (077625)

I agree, it would be much better if new / old posts were moved to the top. We have asked Scott about this before. I don't think that it is possible with his software.

Re: For Julie and Scott

Julie on 3/26/02 at 16:13 (077627)

That sounds good, Ed.

Re: Keep looking

BrianG on 3/22/02 at 22:53 (077264)

Hi Kathryn,

Sorry you had no luck with number 7. Have you seen a foot and ankle specialist yet? Most likely they can be found at some of the larger hospitals. There was one who posted here a few times, Arthur Manoli, MD You could check the 'Search' feature for his entries.

Keep looking, don't give up yet. You'll find someone soon. Good luck

BrianG, not a doc

Re: Keep looking

Ellen J. on 3/23/02 at 08:05 (077278)

Hi Kathryn,
I second Brian's message. I do believe that persistance pays off. I don't know if you might have run out of the mental energy needed to keep going or if it is too expensive to keep searching but I hope you are able to find some help. I am currently trying to figure out how to locate the best specialists for foot problems. I have some contacts in Boston who might be able to help find one, but I'm about to see some local doctors first. I wonder if you have done a search in larger cities?
I remember your posts earlier and I sure hope you can find the right person.
Ellen J.

Re: Keep looking to Brian

Kathryn R. on 3/23/02 at 08:41 (077279)

Brian the doctor I saw yesterday grinned the whole time I was in there. My sister goes with me all the time, she asks questions too. My nerves are shot. I could go to Pittsburgh, but I never drove there. Maybe Johnstown.
The doc yesterday grinned when he said I will be like this the rest of my life. I'm beginning to think all ortho doc's here are alike. All except one and he referred me to grinny. I have alot of thinking to do. You have been great.

Kathryn R.

Re: Keep looking Ellen J.

Kathryn R. on 3/23/02 at 08:52 (077283)

Ellen like I told Brian, my nerves are shot. This happened May 2000, and everytime I get my hopes built up, they get shot down. Doc grinny said I would be like this for the rest of my life. That's really something to look forward to. I can't play ball, or throw frisbee with my neice and nephew anymore. One good thing has happened tho the doctor who messed me up seems to have lost patients. If you read my story of the 30 year old woman who passed away after 2 surgerys from this doc, I failed to mention that young woman died when a blood clot went to her heart and that's what killed her. It was doctors fault for not following through with her. She left a cute little girl who no longer has a mother.

Kathryn R.

Re: Doctor #7 says nothing can be done.

Ed Davis, DPM on 3/23/02 at 16:28 (077326)

You have not provided us with details of your case. Perhaps you have posted previously with more information but it is not easy for us to try to track down old posts and link them to current ones. An achilles rupture takes about 30 seconds to diagnose and is done clinically as opposed to by x-ray. The faster the tendon can be repaired the better. Old ruptures are still repairable but take longer to heal.
Ed

Re: Don't give up, they are not all grinnys !!

BrianG on 3/23/02 at 23:11 (077363)

I'm glad you have your sister to help you. It may be time to ask her for even more help. It's obviously time for some research, and it can't hurt to have some one advocating for you. Ask your sister for help, you can always repay her at a later date. Dr. Arhur Manoli, I really think he is the type of doctor you should be seeing. You can find his office from an internet search engine. If you need a little help, with research, just let me know.

BrianG

Re: Doctor #7 says nothing can be done.

Julie on 3/24/02 at 02:50 (077367)

Kathryn, Dr Ed Davis is very knowledgeable and helpful, and it would be useful to you to have his input. He has obviously missed your previous posts so I suggest you copy the one that gives all your details into a new post for him so that he can catch up with them and tell you what he thinks.

Re: ED Davis

Kathryn R. on 3/24/02 at 06:37 (077371)

I couldn'teven start to begin. My foot was diagnosed as a sprained ankle and torn ligament. Later after orthopedic surgeon sent me to therapy An MRI showed complete rupture of achillies tendon. Everything pretty much went down hill from there. Surgery didn't help, the doc sure didn't help. He dropped me like moulton lava when he saw the mess he made out of my foot. He refused to send his own personal info to other doctors. The last doctor said I'll be like this the rest of my life.

Kathryn R.

Re: Don't give up, they are not all grinnys !! Brian

Kathryn R. on 3/24/02 at 06:44 (077372)

Brian I feel like were old friends. I'll take that help about Dr. Manoli. As I stated before I'm really not that good on the internet,but I try. My sister has been helping me since day one. She practically carried me when this happened. She'll continue to help, she can be pushy sometimes.

Kathryn R.

Re: Doctor #7 says nothing can be done. Julie

Kathryn R. on 3/24/02 at 06:48 (077374)

Thanks for your input. I tried to give Dr. Ed Davis a short version of what happened. It would take a long time to tell all. Maybe sometime I'll be able to tell him all. My nerves have been a mess for sometime now, everyone has been of great help.

Kathryn R.

Re: Don't give up, they are not all grinnys !! Brian

DR Zuckerman on 3/24/02 at 07:32 (077376)

There are many ways to repair a very poor surgical result of the achilles tendon. Take Brian advice and see his doctor recommendation. If you can't get help let me know I know a few doctor who are exellent foot and ankle specialists both orthopedic and podiatric. Don't give up hope .

Re: Don't give up, they are not all grinnys !!

BG CPed on 3/24/02 at 11:16 (077391)

I do lots of work for the good Dr Manoli and he is very good with achille/heel cord issues. I think you would find him to be very attentive also. He recently presented a paper/talk on the evolution of achille tendon at the foot&ankle academy meeting. I cant say that he could fix it but if your current Dr. gave you such a bleak outlook it would be worth giving him a try.

Re: Don't give up, they are not all grinnys !! DR Zuckerman

Kathryn R. on 3/24/02 at 12:57 (077400)

My hopes and spirits are at nerves end. I keep hoping something will come up. I'll take those names of foot and ankle specialist. I live in Pennsylvania.

Kathryn R.

Re: Don't give up, they are not all grinnys !! DR Zuckerman

DR Zuckerman on 3/24/02 at 14:58 (077407)

Dr. Frank Tursi
Voohees, New Jersey

I have know him for the past eight years. He is tops. He does all of my
ankle surgery and trauma surgery in our practice. He the chief of podiatry
at Our Lady of Lourdes Hospital . Smart with a great bedside manner.

Has alot of experience in the non-surgical and surgical repair of rupture achilles tendons. If it can't be fixed well if can't fixed.

Re: Don't give up, they are not all grinnys !! DR Zuckerman againn

Kathryn R. on 3/24/02 at 17:06 (077424)

DR Zuckerman it might be worth looking into thanks.
Kathryn R.

Re: Don't give up, they are not all grinnys !! DR Zuckerman againn

DR Zuckerman on 3/24/02 at 17:23 (077427)

The guy is really good. I once say him repair a rupture achilles tendon with a graph / No one wanted to do the repair. I call him and the patient is walking pain free today.

Re: Arthur Manoli, MD

BrianG on 3/24/02 at 23:46 (077463)

Hi Kathryn,

Here is th information I promised. Dr. Arthur Manoli is in Pontiac, Michigan. I realize it's a hike, but I do think he is the type of doctor that can help you. He may also give you a referrel closer to your home. The web site where you can reach him is: http://www.mifac.com/
Telephone: (248) 858-6773
e-mail: (email removed)

Good luck, I know you can use some
BrianG

Re: Arthur Manoli, MD Brian

Kathryn R. on 3/25/02 at 12:18 (077502)

Thank you for the luck and info.
Kathryn R.

Re: Don't give up, they are not all grinnys !! DR Zuckerman again and again

Kathryn R. on 3/25/02 at 12:22 (077504)

I'll be looking into the suggestions given to me. I can't say thank you enough to all

Kathryn R.

Re: ED Davis

Ed Davis, DPM on 3/26/02 at 00:13 (077567)

Kathryn:
Thank you for this information. Was your achilles tendon eventually repaired?
Ed

Re: Thank you Julie. Continuing threads..

Ed Davis, DPM on 3/26/02 at 00:22 (077568)

Julie:
I now recall a bit about Kathryn and the missed achilles rupture. Perhaps she can provide some more details about what finally happened to the achilles -- repaired properly or not. It sounds like her docs ran for cover when they realized the blunder. It is really terrible that that should happen -- the problematic US tort system is something that Great Britain has avoided.

I have run into this problem or delayed diagnosis or achilles rupture but each time I was able to successfully reconstruct the tendon to where it functioned well-- a rather interesting procedure.

I wish that this website had a better way of continuing subject threads so that posts can be connected. Posters often have messages broadly dispersed so tracking down the posts can be a problem. Perhaps there could be a way to call up all of the posts of a particular individual. Something for Scott to look at.
Ed

Re: Ed

Julie on 3/26/02 at 03:05 (077577)

Ed

Yes, it sounds as though Kathryn has been shamefully treated.

I would love her to have your perspective on her situation, and am going to suggest to her again that she find her original post, which told the whole story, and copy it into this thread so that you can think about it.

The problem, I think, is that heelspurs.com is so popular, with an everage of a hundred posts a day now, that it's hard to keep up with them all, and impossible to keep everyone's individual case in mind.

I think it would help if, in an ongoing 'conversation' (one that continues for a few days) people posted their new thoughts in the original thread so that we could easily refresh our memories.

There's also the search facility, but I rarely have time for that and usually - regretfully - skip over things I can't relate to previous posts.

Re: Kathryn

Julie on 3/26/02 at 03:07 (077578)

Kathryn, you don't have to explain it all over again. All you need to do is find your original post, the one in which you explained your situation. Highlight it and copy it into a new post, flagging it for Dr Ed. I think you will find his perspective helpful.

Re: For Julie and Scott

Ed Davis, DPM on 3/26/02 at 14:21 (077616)

Julie:

A number of forums are structured such that a poster may respond to a thread or start a new thread but related posts are always added onto that same thread so that an idea or issue is clustered and has continuity. A new post added to an old thread then moves the thread to the top of the page so it is then noticed.
Ed

Re: For Julie and Scott

BrianG on 3/26/02 at 16:12 (077625)

I agree, it would be much better if new / old posts were moved to the top. We have asked Scott about this before. I don't think that it is possible with his software.

Re: For Julie and Scott

Julie on 3/26/02 at 16:13 (077627)

That sounds good, Ed.

Re: Don't give up, they are not all grinnys !! DR Zuckerman

Dr. Heel on 2/08/08 at 19:04 (242960)

Dr. Tursi is an arrogant ass. He treats people like dirt. Some of his methods are questionable at best. His regard for his employees while at first may seem honorable but when it comes down to lining his pockets, there is no loyalty to anyone who works for him. He has a long history of unjustified 'layoffs' as he calls them. If you or anyone you know has the opportunity to work for him think twice. He will keep them around for a while, but when they start to make a decent salary he will come up with a way to let them go. With his attorney by his side he will look a person right in the face and blindside them with ridiculous claims of impropriety. A sad excuse for an employer and a sad excuse for a human being.

Re: Arthur Manoli, MD

Anne M. on 4/09/09 at 09:57 (256764)

Hi Kathryn!

I'm a patient of Dr. Manoli's. I can't tell you how many time I hear there's nothing that can be done. Here's a cortizone shot! I finally read an article about Dr. Manoli in a Hosptial flyer and decided to give him a try.

HE CHANGED MY LIFE!!!!!

I had a crushed heel from a car accident and had it half asked 'fixed' after it happened. For the next 20+ years, I had a limp, was limited in what I could do and was in constant pain. Then I found Dr. Manoli. He not only fixed my foot, but he took away the pain.

I now participate in triathlons and am a professional ski instructor.

Please get an opinion from him if you haven't yet done so. Don't see his partner. Request him only!

Wish you the same success that I have had.

Let me know how it goes!!!

~Anne Mattack~
annemattack at gmail.com

Re: Keep looking Ellen J.

Charles L. on 10/01/09 at 16:38 (260996)

Hi there. I am a 35yr old male who has been born with cavus malformities in both feet due to me being a twin as well as various painful neuropathies in both feet and up my legs.Taking any painkillers makes me very sick,always has and after 6 surgerys 1 and a half years ago, I have know developed GERD as a result of horrable heartburn combined with my surgeries.I can still get around with the use of can and walker my loving wife bought me.My malformities in my feet are severe and still need MANY MORE SURGERIES. I feel like I am loosing my mind. All of my life I have been suffering and I feel It is starting to finish me off in my mind. I am starting to have trouble keeping my emotions still. I get filled with this saddness that surrounds me.I don't last standing anymore and I can't sit too long due to very poor circulation in my legs.I need to know that if there is someone like ME,I sure would like to talk!!!Thank you.