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re; pain mgmt for pf and in rocovery alcohol, depression

Posted by lisa k on 4/30/02 at 01:47 (081710)

been sober 3years and family history of episodes of depression had 2 in past ,i think this is why this pf and the treatment scare me so any else in rocovery? boredom and isolation are sinking me down i stared back on very small dose of zoloft and have counselor set back up but not being able to drive ?????lucky i have a caring husband but i feel like im losing all the ablities to feel alive and participating in each day like limbo and scared about risks involving my recovery like narcotic pain medicine -my friend and doc said 2weeks could not get addicted but hate that spacey feeling and the unkown about what i'll be able to do normally again reaally messes with me lot of love lisa k

Re: re; pain mgmt for pf and in rocovery alcohol, depression

Clara on 4/30/02 at 06:13 (081720)

Lisa! Gosh, you really have been down there... I really feel for you, and you must be proud of your self, been sober 3 years!! I have no problems with alcohol, or anything like that, I do take Zoloft for my depression and now I feel very alive, and, infact, happy! Yes, i can not believe it, a month ago I cried and cried all the time...

But can Zoloft do that you cannot drive? I did not understand,, maybe because I don´t understand all english words all the time (well, I do use a dictionary and I have learned more english during this PF-time, thanks to you friends!)

Take care now Lisa and think about that you really are lucky that your hubby helps and cares about you.

Clara

Re: re; pain mgmt for pf and in rocovery alcohol, depression

Carmen on 4/30/02 at 07:36 (081725)

Lisa~

Is there a possiblity of you getting some support outside of the internet and your family? A 'group' therapy or even someone to call on the phone for free counseling?
You have accomplished a great thing by being sober 3 whole years. Now THAT is something you should remind yourself of EVERY day....as a REASON to wake up and start a new day. Find a hobby that will tackle your boredom.....find something to do with friends...to manage the isolation. Have someone come over and visit..only if it's just to play cards....
Your words are scary to me....and I hate to hear the hopelessness.
DO NOT take the narcotic medicine if you can help it. I have a husband who has been recovered for 6 years from alcohol...and ANY type of medicine is a NO NO...
Does your doctor know you are recovered??? Maybe it's time you looked into relaxation and meditation as means of managing your pain.
Or Biofeedback?
Please keep us posted...don't give up. The PF will go away,....you have to be patient.

Re: re; pain mgmt for pf and in rocovery alcohol, depression

john h on 4/30/02 at 09:37 (081755)

Lisa people who are in pain are much less likely to get addicted to narcotics than those who are not in pain. Having taken a variety of narcotics for pain including drips I never once experienced a feeling I would want to experience again much less pay money to do so. I sometimes think we worry more about becoming addicted to a narcotic than we do about treating the pain. You must get the pain under control first and foremost.Medicine is more and more coming around to that conclusion. Doctors are always leary of prescribing narcotic pain meds because so many people fake pain just to receive the narcotics. My daughter who works in the emergency room on occasion tells me probably half the people coming through there are seeking drugs on one pretense or another. Some pretending to have kidney stones is a favorite. They will go so far as to prick their finger and place blood in their urine.

Re: re; pain mgmt for pf and in rocovery alcohol, depression

Carmen on 4/30/02 at 10:07 (081762)

May I interfere? Just my two cents...but...anyone who has any kind of addiction should steer clear of any kind of narcotic.
It's not even advisable to take cough medicine as it contains alcohol...
just my thoughts. I have a father, husband, brother in law, three exes with alcohol addiction and I have learned alot about the addiction problems so I thought I would toss that in.
There should be non addictive narcotics to help you. Please inquire ASAP.

Re: re; pain mgmt for pf and in rocovery alcohol, depression

lisa k on 4/30/02 at 12:39 (081781)

thanks, weel didnt sleep but i think thats cuz i slept tomuch day before , actully a better day today ,i will look into other medicine . i have heard of tourdul or something like thank, oh and the reason i cant drive is because of the cam walker is on my driving foot and pod oreder 24/7 elevated as much as possible during24 hrs which im taking seriously because God knows i want this tear to heal......so good to hear from you take care today guys, also i was wondering about two fello cam walkeers who took theres off was it AMA GodBless,lisa K sorry sometimes my feelings really spill out here and the hopelessness comes even though iAm and Will still trudge thru this thanks for sharing Carmen bye

Re: re; pain mgmt for pf and in rocovery alcohol, depression

Carmen on 4/30/02 at 13:27 (081791)

You definitely hang in there and don't think twice about sharing your feelings with us. WE are here for support.

Re: re; pain mgmt for pf and in rocovery alcohol, depression

D.Thomas on 4/30/02 at 20:42 (081872)

Lisa,

I'm a recovering addict and alcholic. I have been sober since 1983. Be careful about the narcotics, but also trust yourself. My family doctor is a doctor at a local rehab and we discuss the good and bad of what I take. I think it is up to you on what you think you can handle, and trust yourself but make sure sneaky pete doesn't sneak up on you. I call my addiction sneaky pete, becuase sometimes he is a sneaky bastard. Good luck and if you need anyone to talk to just post away. As you can see there is a very good support group of people here.

Re: re; pain mgmt for pf and in rocovery alcohol, depression

lisa k on 5/01/02 at 09:29 (081934)

right on the button D thomas,thank you for your post i view mine as sneaky dna that would love to see me end up loking and dying like Judy Garland:view reprieve as a definite gift ,this has been so new to deal with in recovery but so were alot of thing and now i do them sober ther are very supoortive people at this site i agree whole heartedly ;) today is today ,which i can do, what type foot stuff do you have and any tricks or tip you used to keep away the HALT and boredom im on 24/7 'confinement' which i am doing and taking seriously sicne learning from others on this site the importance of caring for ones foot and more about what actually is goin on with it (typos :) have a good day lisa K

Re: re; pain mgmt for pf and in rocovery alcohol, depression

D.Thomas on 5/01/02 at 11:47 (081972)

You seem in good spirits Lisa, keep it up. I think the hard thing for me was trying to fight it and letting my emotions and thinking get the best of me. I would worry about never being 'right' again and always thinking the worst is going to happen. In my life it has always amazed me at the power of a thought or belief. If I think and believe in choas and doom, that is basically what is going to happen. I'm not perfect in any manner, and some days are still tough than others, but I don't seem to be as impatient or drastic in my thinking. I try and accept today what I can and cannot do and not think about tomorrow. I take it a day at a time and turn the rest over to my higher power.

That doesn't me I sit on my butt feeling sorry for myself either. I have gone to over 8 docotors and others about this. I have tried four different orthotics, etc. I have tried many different stretching techniques and have taped everyday for six months. I basically have tried it all. I am now seeing a massage specialist. She strictly works on feet only. I have also setup an appoitment with a specialist in Detroit to help with my orthotics. I have hard feet to fit correctly. I will keep fighting this thing and not let it win. I have really bad days and some ok days, but I just keep trying to do the right thing day in and day out.

I do believe there are quite a view variables that vary about PF that makes it hard to treat everyone the same. I believe everyone needs their own path to recovery and that you need to play an important part in it to make sure that you are doing everything that can be done and to better understand what variables are important to your situation. For example, my pain is strictly in the medial arch of both feet. I have no scar tissue or calicum deposits in my heels or balls of my feet. The fascia is badly damaged in the main medial band of both feet. You can feel it, there is no doubt. The task for me is trying to find out how to make it heal without reinjuring it. ESWT is not an option for me because of where my pain is located.

Remember this: What works or doesn't work for one person might not be the same for others, you have to understand what the important variables are for you and work on them. Don't expect someone to do it for you. You know your body better than anyone, trust yourself and find someone that you can trust to work together to get you better.

Good Luck Lisa and hang in there.

Re: We need a NEW class of pain meds !!

BrianG on 5/03/02 at 18:40 (082353)

Hi Carmen,

You say 'there should be non addictive narcotics to heal you'. Well my friend, I hate to tell you this, but when it comes right down to it, and everything else has failed, narcotics ARE the only thing that will work for chronic painers. Whoever comes up with a non addictive narcotic that works as well as codeine, or morphine, will be the next millionare on this planet. I hope this becomes your next 'project' :*)

BrianG

PS I did write to Bill Gates about this, as he funds many great medical foundations, with millions every year. I got the old 'thank you for your idea, but Bill is very busy and.........'. You now the drill, it's not a very popular subject, and it's obviously not effecting anyone in his family.

Re: re; pain mgmt for pf and in rocovery alcohol, depression

Clara on 4/30/02 at 06:13 (081720)

Lisa! Gosh, you really have been down there... I really feel for you, and you must be proud of your self, been sober 3 years!! I have no problems with alcohol, or anything like that, I do take Zoloft for my depression and now I feel very alive, and, infact, happy! Yes, i can not believe it, a month ago I cried and cried all the time...

But can Zoloft do that you cannot drive? I did not understand,, maybe because I don´t understand all english words all the time (well, I do use a dictionary and I have learned more english during this PF-time, thanks to you friends!)

Take care now Lisa and think about that you really are lucky that your hubby helps and cares about you.

Clara

Re: re; pain mgmt for pf and in rocovery alcohol, depression

Carmen on 4/30/02 at 07:36 (081725)

Lisa~

Is there a possiblity of you getting some support outside of the internet and your family? A 'group' therapy or even someone to call on the phone for free counseling?
You have accomplished a great thing by being sober 3 whole years. Now THAT is something you should remind yourself of EVERY day....as a REASON to wake up and start a new day. Find a hobby that will tackle your boredom.....find something to do with friends...to manage the isolation. Have someone come over and visit..only if it's just to play cards....
Your words are scary to me....and I hate to hear the hopelessness.
DO NOT take the narcotic medicine if you can help it. I have a husband who has been recovered for 6 years from alcohol...and ANY type of medicine is a NO NO...
Does your doctor know you are recovered??? Maybe it's time you looked into relaxation and meditation as means of managing your pain.
Or Biofeedback?
Please keep us posted...don't give up. The PF will go away,....you have to be patient.

Re: re; pain mgmt for pf and in rocovery alcohol, depression

john h on 4/30/02 at 09:37 (081755)

Lisa people who are in pain are much less likely to get addicted to narcotics than those who are not in pain. Having taken a variety of narcotics for pain including drips I never once experienced a feeling I would want to experience again much less pay money to do so. I sometimes think we worry more about becoming addicted to a narcotic than we do about treating the pain. You must get the pain under control first and foremost.Medicine is more and more coming around to that conclusion. Doctors are always leary of prescribing narcotic pain meds because so many people fake pain just to receive the narcotics. My daughter who works in the emergency room on occasion tells me probably half the people coming through there are seeking drugs on one pretense or another. Some pretending to have kidney stones is a favorite. They will go so far as to prick their finger and place blood in their urine.

Re: re; pain mgmt for pf and in rocovery alcohol, depression

Carmen on 4/30/02 at 10:07 (081762)

May I interfere? Just my two cents...but...anyone who has any kind of addiction should steer clear of any kind of narcotic.
It's not even advisable to take cough medicine as it contains alcohol...
just my thoughts. I have a father, husband, brother in law, three exes with alcohol addiction and I have learned alot about the addiction problems so I thought I would toss that in.
There should be non addictive narcotics to help you. Please inquire ASAP.

Re: re; pain mgmt for pf and in rocovery alcohol, depression

lisa k on 4/30/02 at 12:39 (081781)

thanks, weel didnt sleep but i think thats cuz i slept tomuch day before , actully a better day today ,i will look into other medicine . i have heard of tourdul or something like thank, oh and the reason i cant drive is because of the cam walker is on my driving foot and pod oreder 24/7 elevated as much as possible during24 hrs which im taking seriously because God knows i want this tear to heal......so good to hear from you take care today guys, also i was wondering about two fello cam walkeers who took theres off was it AMA GodBless,lisa K sorry sometimes my feelings really spill out here and the hopelessness comes even though iAm and Will still trudge thru this thanks for sharing Carmen bye

Re: re; pain mgmt for pf and in rocovery alcohol, depression

Carmen on 4/30/02 at 13:27 (081791)

You definitely hang in there and don't think twice about sharing your feelings with us. WE are here for support.

Re: re; pain mgmt for pf and in rocovery alcohol, depression

D.Thomas on 4/30/02 at 20:42 (081872)

Lisa,

I'm a recovering addict and alcholic. I have been sober since 1983. Be careful about the narcotics, but also trust yourself. My family doctor is a doctor at a local rehab and we discuss the good and bad of what I take. I think it is up to you on what you think you can handle, and trust yourself but make sure sneaky pete doesn't sneak up on you. I call my addiction sneaky pete, becuase sometimes he is a sneaky bastard. Good luck and if you need anyone to talk to just post away. As you can see there is a very good support group of people here.

Re: re; pain mgmt for pf and in rocovery alcohol, depression

lisa k on 5/01/02 at 09:29 (081934)

right on the button D thomas,thank you for your post i view mine as sneaky dna that would love to see me end up loking and dying like Judy Garland:view reprieve as a definite gift ,this has been so new to deal with in recovery but so were alot of thing and now i do them sober ther are very supoortive people at this site i agree whole heartedly ;) today is today ,which i can do, what type foot stuff do you have and any tricks or tip you used to keep away the HALT and boredom im on 24/7 'confinement' which i am doing and taking seriously sicne learning from others on this site the importance of caring for ones foot and more about what actually is goin on with it (typos :) have a good day lisa K

Re: re; pain mgmt for pf and in rocovery alcohol, depression

D.Thomas on 5/01/02 at 11:47 (081972)

You seem in good spirits Lisa, keep it up. I think the hard thing for me was trying to fight it and letting my emotions and thinking get the best of me. I would worry about never being 'right' again and always thinking the worst is going to happen. In my life it has always amazed me at the power of a thought or belief. If I think and believe in choas and doom, that is basically what is going to happen. I'm not perfect in any manner, and some days are still tough than others, but I don't seem to be as impatient or drastic in my thinking. I try and accept today what I can and cannot do and not think about tomorrow. I take it a day at a time and turn the rest over to my higher power.

That doesn't me I sit on my butt feeling sorry for myself either. I have gone to over 8 docotors and others about this. I have tried four different orthotics, etc. I have tried many different stretching techniques and have taped everyday for six months. I basically have tried it all. I am now seeing a massage specialist. She strictly works on feet only. I have also setup an appoitment with a specialist in Detroit to help with my orthotics. I have hard feet to fit correctly. I will keep fighting this thing and not let it win. I have really bad days and some ok days, but I just keep trying to do the right thing day in and day out.

I do believe there are quite a view variables that vary about PF that makes it hard to treat everyone the same. I believe everyone needs their own path to recovery and that you need to play an important part in it to make sure that you are doing everything that can be done and to better understand what variables are important to your situation. For example, my pain is strictly in the medial arch of both feet. I have no scar tissue or calicum deposits in my heels or balls of my feet. The fascia is badly damaged in the main medial band of both feet. You can feel it, there is no doubt. The task for me is trying to find out how to make it heal without reinjuring it. ESWT is not an option for me because of where my pain is located.

Remember this: What works or doesn't work for one person might not be the same for others, you have to understand what the important variables are for you and work on them. Don't expect someone to do it for you. You know your body better than anyone, trust yourself and find someone that you can trust to work together to get you better.

Good Luck Lisa and hang in there.

Re: We need a NEW class of pain meds !!

BrianG on 5/03/02 at 18:40 (082353)

Hi Carmen,

You say 'there should be non addictive narcotics to heal you'. Well my friend, I hate to tell you this, but when it comes right down to it, and everything else has failed, narcotics ARE the only thing that will work for chronic painers. Whoever comes up with a non addictive narcotic that works as well as codeine, or morphine, will be the next millionare on this planet. I hope this becomes your next 'project' :*)

BrianG

PS I did write to Bill Gates about this, as he funds many great medical foundations, with millions every year. I got the old 'thank you for your idea, but Bill is very busy and.........'. You now the drill, it's not a very popular subject, and it's obviously not effecting anyone in his family.