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Have I got heel spurs or...what?

Posted by Ken W on 8/22/02 at 04:01 (093183)

I am new to this website so would you tell me what 'pf' and 'SDO' in the context of Inserts/Orthotics/Shoes, means please?

I am being treated by a UK National Health Service[NHS] chiropodist/bio mechanic who has made up a temporary insole in an endeavour to ease the pain in my foot, possibly caused by heel spurs, until I am given an appointment (long waiting list) at my local hospital for something more permanent to be disigned and made up.

I have considered purchasing an orthotic called 'Ortho-Heel' at a cost of UK£21 (US$14). Has anyone experienced these Ortho-Heel orthotics, if so how good (or bad) were they for you, please?

Re: Have I got heel spurs or...what?

F.H. on 8/22/02 at 09:01 (093193)

Pf-Plantar Fasciitis
SDO's-Silicone Dynamic Orthotics

Re: Have I got heel spurs or...what?

Ken W on 8/22/02 at 10:49 (093207)

Thank you for your prompt reply and increasing my knowledge.

I just could not think what either abrieviation could stand for.

Re: Have I got heel spurs or...what?

AmyM on 8/22/02 at 14:20 (093234)

You can buy orthoheels in Boots, I've never tried them. An NHS pod gave me some inserts made by AOL (Australian Orthotics Laboratory) called Vasyli Pro. These are not custom made and I haven't found them to be particularly helpful.
If you can afford it you could try Birkenstock shoes, they have a shop in Covent Garden, London, or if you know your size you can order from the German website. Birkenstocks come with an insert that provides some support.

Re: Have I got heel spurs or...what?

Ken W on 8/23/02 at 03:49 (093284)

Thank you very much, AmyM. When I eventually manage to see a pod on the IOW I shall remeber what you have said about Vasyli Pro and try to avoid them.

Regards,
KenW

Re: Have I got heel spurs or...what?

Pete on 8/23/02 at 06:45 (093293)

I tried the Ortho heel devices when my pf started (pain was v moderate initially) and they helped. However as the pf worsened I had to have some custom orthotics.

A word of warning I had some NHS orthotics made and they were totally useless. I couldn't fit them in ANY shoe and the guy who made them simply concentrated on filling the gap in my arch. I wasted months waiting to see him and them further time whilst he continually altered them. I gave up in the end.

I know cost will play a big part but I'd advise you to look at getting some custom orthotics casted privately, via a bio mechanical specialist. Your local private hospital may have some contacts.

Anyone on this site from England, like you and I, all seem to confirm that the knowledge in the UK with pf is very poor. After 2 years I'm still trying to find someone who can give me an accurate diagnosis and treatment plan

Good luck

Re: Have I got heel spurs or...what?

Valerie S on 8/25/02 at 09:21 (093461)

Hi Ken,

If you are really looking to learn about your condition, you have come to the right place. Might I suggest the next thing you do is to print out and/or read The Heel Pain Book (can be found by clicking the link in this post, or at the bottom of this page). I see that now You can also purchase a paper copy of the book from the Products for Sale page.

Continue to ask questions, if you want. You will find many friends here. I am sorry you are in such pain, and no matter where you live, waiting seems to be one major factor in getting better... HOWEVER, the sooner you start treatment the better your chances of a speedy recovery. There are many 'self-treatments' and suggestions that may help you. The key seems to be finding the combination of treatments that works for you, and being patient.

Good luck to you. -Val.

Re: Pete

Julie on 8/25/02 at 11:09 (093477)

Pete

As you know, I think, I'm American, so you won't think I'm being defensive when I say that I don't understand why your opinion of podiatry in the UK is so low, and why you keep knocking podiatrists here (no, they're not all chiropodists, as you've several times said).

Admittedly my experience has been limited but, as I've told you, it has been good experience. Ron McCulloch is a good podiatrist, and I've suggested at least twice that you consult him.

Re: Have I got heel spurs or...what?

Ken W on 8/25/02 at 14:54 (093491)

Hi Valerie,

Thank you for your suggestions and your kind sentiments,.

I will keep trying.

Regards,

Ken W.

Re: Julie

Pete on 8/27/02 at 08:25 (093649)

Its my opinion from my own experience. As you say your experience is limited, mine isn't. You may think I'm being overly negative but tell me how someone can diagnose me with pf, cast me some £300 orthotics (which do help) and then NOT tell me to stretch / ice / tape etc. This type of experience has happened a number of times, and without this site I'd have v little knowledge of what to do next.

AS for Ron Mc, he is still an option for me, although I'm due to see a foot and ankle guy in Wrexham soon. Seeing Ron would be a minimum 6 hour round trip which may not be feasible if I need to see him repeatedly (I suffer from back problems which are made far worse by driving). That said I may still get to see him. Thank you for the recommendation.

You have said yourself Ron was keen on surgery when he saw you, and wasn't interested in ESWT, which goes to show even he isn't / wasn't aware of all the conservative options.

My advice to anyone in the UK, is forget the NHS, if you have the money to go private, and even then it is imperative to find someone skilled in pf treatment / diagnosis.

Re: Pete

Julie on 8/27/02 at 09:17 (093655)

Pete, yes, I do think you have been too negative about podiatry in the UK. Your experience is more extensive than mine (and I'm sorry it has not been good experience) but it's still limited, and I don't think it justifies rubbishing the entire UK podiatric profession, which you've done several times.

I didn't know where you live. When I recommended Ron it was to Rachel, who lives in Herts. A year or so ago I suggested him to Sandy, who found him helpful, as I recall (he suggested that Sandy get treatment for his back problems: he is very aware of the connection between the lower back and the feet). It was you who said you 'might see Ron', so I assumed it was feasible for you to see him and I wondered why you kept complaining about podiatry in the UK instead of doing so. Now that I know you'd have a 6-hour round trip journey, I understand, and withdraw that bit of my post.

But not the recommendation: he is a good podiatrist. I got the impression from talking to him that he may be a bit quick to recommend surgery (it didn't arise with me) but no-one has to be cut if they don't want to be cut. He is aware of all the conservative treatments, and he does now know about ESWT.

You say you have back problems. Am I imagining it, or do I recall a post(s) in which you speculated about a possible connection between them and your foot problems?

I really hope your Wrexham foot and ankle man can help you.

Re: Julie

Carole C in NOLA on 9/02/02 at 07:52 (094193)

Ron, it might be worth a three hour round trip to see a recommended podiatrist if you are having trouble finding a good one in your area and if the foot and ankle guy in Wrexham doesn't work out (but I hope he does!). If you do decide to drive to London, be sure to get out of the car and walk around every hour or two. Even better, maybe you can get someone to go with you and drive.

A good pair of orthotics made by an expert foot professional can make all the difference for some of us. It did for me. On the other hand, if they aren't comfortable you might have to stop by and have them adjusted, and I agree that a three hour drive for an adjustment doesn't sound appealing. Even worse, the long drive might keep you from getting them adjusted at all if they need it.

I don't live in the UK, and never have, but still I agree with you about going private. PF is too serious to just take whatever doctor one's health plan offers. Anyone who can possibly find the money to do so should go to the best doctor that they can find, in my opinion.

Carole C

Re: I meant "Pete" ! :) (nm)

Carole C in NOLA on 9/02/02 at 07:53 (094194)

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Re: Carole & Pete

Julie on 9/02/02 at 16:38 (094269)

It might be worth a journey - but I'd still vote for finding someone nearer home if at all possible. Regarding orthotics, Ron doesn't make them himself. He casts you for them, and does it well, I think, but then sends the casts off to the States for the orthotics to be made, believing they do a better job than any of the British firms. I knew that was a risk, but decided to go for it anyway, and it turned out all right: my orthotics have been fine.

I thought you ought to know this, Pete, if you are still thinking of making the trip.

Re: Have I got heel spurs or...what?

F.H. on 8/22/02 at 09:01 (093193)

Pf-Plantar Fasciitis
SDO's-Silicone Dynamic Orthotics

Re: Have I got heel spurs or...what?

Ken W on 8/22/02 at 10:49 (093207)

Thank you for your prompt reply and increasing my knowledge.

I just could not think what either abrieviation could stand for.

Re: Have I got heel spurs or...what?

AmyM on 8/22/02 at 14:20 (093234)

You can buy orthoheels in Boots, I've never tried them. An NHS pod gave me some inserts made by AOL (Australian Orthotics Laboratory) called Vasyli Pro. These are not custom made and I haven't found them to be particularly helpful.
If you can afford it you could try Birkenstock shoes, they have a shop in Covent Garden, London, or if you know your size you can order from the German website. Birkenstocks come with an insert that provides some support.

Re: Have I got heel spurs or...what?

Ken W on 8/23/02 at 03:49 (093284)

Thank you very much, AmyM. When I eventually manage to see a pod on the IOW I shall remeber what you have said about Vasyli Pro and try to avoid them.

Regards,
KenW

Re: Have I got heel spurs or...what?

Pete on 8/23/02 at 06:45 (093293)

I tried the Ortho heel devices when my pf started (pain was v moderate initially) and they helped. However as the pf worsened I had to have some custom orthotics.

A word of warning I had some NHS orthotics made and they were totally useless. I couldn't fit them in ANY shoe and the guy who made them simply concentrated on filling the gap in my arch. I wasted months waiting to see him and them further time whilst he continually altered them. I gave up in the end.

I know cost will play a big part but I'd advise you to look at getting some custom orthotics casted privately, via a bio mechanical specialist. Your local private hospital may have some contacts.

Anyone on this site from England, like you and I, all seem to confirm that the knowledge in the UK with pf is very poor. After 2 years I'm still trying to find someone who can give me an accurate diagnosis and treatment plan

Good luck

Re: Have I got heel spurs or...what?

Valerie S on 8/25/02 at 09:21 (093461)

Hi Ken,

If you are really looking to learn about your condition, you have come to the right place. Might I suggest the next thing you do is to print out and/or read The Heel Pain Book (can be found by clicking the link in this post, or at the bottom of this page). I see that now You can also purchase a paper copy of the book from the Products for Sale page.

Continue to ask questions, if you want. You will find many friends here. I am sorry you are in such pain, and no matter where you live, waiting seems to be one major factor in getting better... HOWEVER, the sooner you start treatment the better your chances of a speedy recovery. There are many 'self-treatments' and suggestions that may help you. The key seems to be finding the combination of treatments that works for you, and being patient.

Good luck to you. -Val.

Re: Pete

Julie on 8/25/02 at 11:09 (093477)

Pete

As you know, I think, I'm American, so you won't think I'm being defensive when I say that I don't understand why your opinion of podiatry in the UK is so low, and why you keep knocking podiatrists here (no, they're not all chiropodists, as you've several times said).

Admittedly my experience has been limited but, as I've told you, it has been good experience. Ron McCulloch is a good podiatrist, and I've suggested at least twice that you consult him.

Re: Have I got heel spurs or...what?

Ken W on 8/25/02 at 14:54 (093491)

Hi Valerie,

Thank you for your suggestions and your kind sentiments,.

I will keep trying.

Regards,

Ken W.

Re: Julie

Pete on 8/27/02 at 08:25 (093649)

Its my opinion from my own experience. As you say your experience is limited, mine isn't. You may think I'm being overly negative but tell me how someone can diagnose me with pf, cast me some £300 orthotics (which do help) and then NOT tell me to stretch / ice / tape etc. This type of experience has happened a number of times, and without this site I'd have v little knowledge of what to do next.

AS for Ron Mc, he is still an option for me, although I'm due to see a foot and ankle guy in Wrexham soon. Seeing Ron would be a minimum 6 hour round trip which may not be feasible if I need to see him repeatedly (I suffer from back problems which are made far worse by driving). That said I may still get to see him. Thank you for the recommendation.

You have said yourself Ron was keen on surgery when he saw you, and wasn't interested in ESWT, which goes to show even he isn't / wasn't aware of all the conservative options.

My advice to anyone in the UK, is forget the NHS, if you have the money to go private, and even then it is imperative to find someone skilled in pf treatment / diagnosis.

Re: Pete

Julie on 8/27/02 at 09:17 (093655)

Pete, yes, I do think you have been too negative about podiatry in the UK. Your experience is more extensive than mine (and I'm sorry it has not been good experience) but it's still limited, and I don't think it justifies rubbishing the entire UK podiatric profession, which you've done several times.

I didn't know where you live. When I recommended Ron it was to Rachel, who lives in Herts. A year or so ago I suggested him to Sandy, who found him helpful, as I recall (he suggested that Sandy get treatment for his back problems: he is very aware of the connection between the lower back and the feet). It was you who said you 'might see Ron', so I assumed it was feasible for you to see him and I wondered why you kept complaining about podiatry in the UK instead of doing so. Now that I know you'd have a 6-hour round trip journey, I understand, and withdraw that bit of my post.

But not the recommendation: he is a good podiatrist. I got the impression from talking to him that he may be a bit quick to recommend surgery (it didn't arise with me) but no-one has to be cut if they don't want to be cut. He is aware of all the conservative treatments, and he does now know about ESWT.

You say you have back problems. Am I imagining it, or do I recall a post(s) in which you speculated about a possible connection between them and your foot problems?

I really hope your Wrexham foot and ankle man can help you.

Re: Julie

Carole C in NOLA on 9/02/02 at 07:52 (094193)

Ron, it might be worth a three hour round trip to see a recommended podiatrist if you are having trouble finding a good one in your area and if the foot and ankle guy in Wrexham doesn't work out (but I hope he does!). If you do decide to drive to London, be sure to get out of the car and walk around every hour or two. Even better, maybe you can get someone to go with you and drive.

A good pair of orthotics made by an expert foot professional can make all the difference for some of us. It did for me. On the other hand, if they aren't comfortable you might have to stop by and have them adjusted, and I agree that a three hour drive for an adjustment doesn't sound appealing. Even worse, the long drive might keep you from getting them adjusted at all if they need it.

I don't live in the UK, and never have, but still I agree with you about going private. PF is too serious to just take whatever doctor one's health plan offers. Anyone who can possibly find the money to do so should go to the best doctor that they can find, in my opinion.

Carole C

Re: I meant "Pete" ! :) (nm)

Carole C in NOLA on 9/02/02 at 07:53 (094194)

.

Re: Carole & Pete

Julie on 9/02/02 at 16:38 (094269)

It might be worth a journey - but I'd still vote for finding someone nearer home if at all possible. Regarding orthotics, Ron doesn't make them himself. He casts you for them, and does it well, I think, but then sends the casts off to the States for the orthotics to be made, believing they do a better job than any of the British firms. I knew that was a risk, but decided to go for it anyway, and it turned out all right: my orthotics have been fine.

I thought you ought to know this, Pete, if you are still thinking of making the trip.

Re: Have I got heel spurs

kimsampley on 4/17/03 at 01:22 (116383)

i have 2 heel spurs on my heels and i am from lawton oklahoma my name is kim sampley where are you from and what town and what is the address so i will know how to get there so i can have my heel spurs takeing off

e mail back my name is kim

Re: Have I got heel spurs

KEN W on 4/18/03 at 05:56 (116491)

Hi Kim,

I live a heck of a way from Lawton, Oklahoma so my treatment sourse is not likely to be of much source to you, I'm afraid.

I live on the Isle of Wight, U.K (just off the south coast of England, opposite the seaport of Southampton).

I have not had heelspurs removed bust am wearing custom made insoles prepared to a prescription from the Podiatry Department at the National Health Service hospital on the Island.

Godd luck in finding somewhare in the U.S. of A.to suit your situation.

With kinderst regards,
Ken W.