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ESWT Dec. 31st after 2 years of pain

Posted by Tom C on 12/30/02 at 21:19 (104345)

All,
Just found this tonight, pretty interesting. After 2 years of pain and being an avid runner and former ground-pounder (literally, US Army!) I injured my ankle/heel in Dec. 2000 and kept running till Feb. I did run at first and after the 1st mile my foot just got numb so no problem, but I realize that wasn't good. Feb/Mar in 2001 I went to podtrist and he gave me cortisone injections, 2, 90 days apart. It helped the day after, but that was it. Then I demanded to get anothr refrl and found a great dr. who tried everything, Orthotics, therapy, massage, therapy, ice... I just am tired of the pain and am changing my lifestyle to compensate, but it sucks and is no way to live. So I told him '..cut me! Do something, I can't take this inactivity anymore and I'll run even if you don't fix me, I cannot/will not sit around'
Tomorrow he's doing ESWT.
I'll post back how it goes.
Tom

Re: ESWT Dec. 31st after 2 years of pain

BrianG on 12/30/02 at 21:50 (104347)

Tom C,

You are one lucky bastard that you are getting ESWT, instead of cut! Once you are cut, it's forever. For good, or for bad. Believe me, it can get much worse with a botched surgery. So, without even knowing it, you stumbled on to a Pod who is treating you with the newest, state of the art, treatment. There is virtually no threat of any long term problems, or pain, with the ESWT you'll be getting. You must have been living right!!!!!

Good luck
BrianG

PS: Give your feet a break for the next few weeks / months, no matter how good they may feel. It too two years to get in the condition they are now in, they are not going to heal over night.

Re: ESWT Dec. 31st after 2 years of pain

TomC on 12/31/02 at 15:12 (104411)

Thx Brian.
Went in at 11:30, out by 2pm. Dr put one shot on inside above ankle. 20 mins later all was numb. Then he did 35 or 3800 pulse treatment, starting at level 0 and going to level 7. Took about 30 minutes. He used a Dornier (Ultra plus(?) machine. Very cool. The tech & Dr. worked well together, showing me my heel bone, pf and where they are treating to breakup/rebuild the muscle. I'm really looking forward to feeling better. I will take some advil later and hopefully won't have much post-pain. Insurance changes Jan 1, so I don't think I'll get this treatment again, don't know? That's why it was a last minute rush, found out Sat. that we had to do it yest/today. Stay positive.
Tom

Re: ESWT Dec. 31st after 2 years of pain

BrianG on 1/01/03 at 13:32 (104465)

Hey Tom,

Some of the Pods are offering reduced (or free) 2nd treatments, if the first does not do the trick. If you do need another treatment, get in touch wth your Pod. You may be able to afford it, even without the insurance. The price's seem to be coming down every month. At two years, I'd say you have a good chance for healing. I had to wait over 7 years, and didn't have the results I would have liked. I may get a second treatment though.

Good luck, rest the feet
BrianG

PS: The Dornier Ultra is top of the line, you really did luck out!!

Re: Ooh, owe, ouch ESWT Dec. 31st after 2 years of pain

TomC on 1/05/03 at 19:47 (104914)

It's hurting. Still stretching, but man the heel is hurting almost worse than last week before the ESWT. Doc says it's gonna take 6-8 weeks before I may see an improvement? Does that sound right? Otherwise, he also mentioned TTS - oh man, I can't believe it. How do you get over this? I feel so bad, like I'm an wussy-idiot! People don't understand because you can walk around, drive your car, lift your kids...etc. But the constant ache & pain is slowly driving me insane. I'm gonna try the ice pak/hot pak/ice on the ankle tarsal area to see if it helps. What else is there?
Thx for the feedback.
Tom

Re: Ooh, owe, ouch ESWT Dec. 31st after 2 years of pain

Dr. Z on 1/05/03 at 20:15 (104920)

Ice, heat, ice five minutes for each. May need to have taping, boot cast,
or unna boot. Do you think you are on your feet too much? What kind of work do you do. May need to use an open back darby shoe to get the weight off the foot

Re: Ooh, owe, ouch ESWT Dec. 31st after 2 years of pain

BrianG on 1/05/03 at 21:25 (104925)

Hey Tom,

So it hurts like hell from a few little sound wave zaps, does it? Can you imagine the pain if they went in and cut you!!! I think we all all go though different emotional stages with this injury. I think every person here as had to try to explain to their friends and family what is happening with them and their feet. You'll have people tell you to just get over it, and get on with your life. Myself, I was in denial for years, that all this pain could come from a simple case of PF !!

Your going to have to change your life for awhile, give your feet some rest. Dr. Z gave you some good suggestions. Read Scott's book, found elsewhere here on this site. Try whatever you think will help. Unfortunatly there is not usually one thing that will help to heal you, unless you are one of the lucky people who are cured in the first month or so. You have every right to bitch and moan, we've all been there. My suggesion is to try to find a good, compassionate doctor, who will 'listen' to you. One who will not be afraid to use his prescription pad if necessary. Read, read, read, and see the best specialists you can afford. Document everything you try, every med you take, even if it's over the counter. I say this only because you will need it, if you can't cure your problems. Hopefully you won't need any of it, as a cure could be in your near future.

Good luck, most people are cured!!
BrianG

Re: Very little improvement ESWT Dec. 31st after 2 years of pain

TomC on 1/25/03 at 16:16 (106768)

Thx,
Set for a follow up appt. this week.
Brian, I don't think the ESWT itself caused any more pain than before.
It's just that I maybe was hoping for even a small amount of instant relief. Anyway, pain that used to be there all night is now gone, no more 'ache' and feels good in the morning. But as soon as I get to 5-7 steps off the bed it's coming back. And it seems to get to it's worse point earlier in the day. Dr. Z, no, I'm not on my feet all day, work in a cube. But have many meetings, probably walking/standing about 25-35% of my time each week.
I've tried the ice/heat/ice and it seemed to make the ache more prominent?
I'm still stretching ans that doesn't seem any different.
Thx, Update yall later.
Tom

Re: Very little improvement ESWT Dec. 31st after 2 years of pain

Dr. Z on 1/25/03 at 21:22 (106803)

It can take eight weeks plus for some relief. In the mean time an open back darby shoe or a boot cast may help

Re: ESWT Dec. 31st after 2 years of pain

BrianG on 12/30/02 at 21:50 (104347)

Tom C,

You are one lucky bastard that you are getting ESWT, instead of cut! Once you are cut, it's forever. For good, or for bad. Believe me, it can get much worse with a botched surgery. So, without even knowing it, you stumbled on to a Pod who is treating you with the newest, state of the art, treatment. There is virtually no threat of any long term problems, or pain, with the ESWT you'll be getting. You must have been living right!!!!!

Good luck
BrianG

PS: Give your feet a break for the next few weeks / months, no matter how good they may feel. It too two years to get in the condition they are now in, they are not going to heal over night.

Re: ESWT Dec. 31st after 2 years of pain

TomC on 12/31/02 at 15:12 (104411)

Thx Brian.
Went in at 11:30, out by 2pm. Dr put one shot on inside above ankle. 20 mins later all was numb. Then he did 35 or 3800 pulse treatment, starting at level 0 and going to level 7. Took about 30 minutes. He used a Dornier (Ultra plus(?) machine. Very cool. The tech & Dr. worked well together, showing me my heel bone, pf and where they are treating to breakup/rebuild the muscle. I'm really looking forward to feeling better. I will take some advil later and hopefully won't have much post-pain. Insurance changes Jan 1, so I don't think I'll get this treatment again, don't know? That's why it was a last minute rush, found out Sat. that we had to do it yest/today. Stay positive.
Tom

Re: ESWT Dec. 31st after 2 years of pain

BrianG on 1/01/03 at 13:32 (104465)

Hey Tom,

Some of the Pods are offering reduced (or free) 2nd treatments, if the first does not do the trick. If you do need another treatment, get in touch wth your Pod. You may be able to afford it, even without the insurance. The price's seem to be coming down every month. At two years, I'd say you have a good chance for healing. I had to wait over 7 years, and didn't have the results I would have liked. I may get a second treatment though.

Good luck, rest the feet
BrianG

PS: The Dornier Ultra is top of the line, you really did luck out!!

Re: Ooh, owe, ouch ESWT Dec. 31st after 2 years of pain

TomC on 1/05/03 at 19:47 (104914)

It's hurting. Still stretching, but man the heel is hurting almost worse than last week before the ESWT. Doc says it's gonna take 6-8 weeks before I may see an improvement? Does that sound right? Otherwise, he also mentioned TTS - oh man, I can't believe it. How do you get over this? I feel so bad, like I'm an wussy-idiot! People don't understand because you can walk around, drive your car, lift your kids...etc. But the constant ache & pain is slowly driving me insane. I'm gonna try the ice pak/hot pak/ice on the ankle tarsal area to see if it helps. What else is there?
Thx for the feedback.
Tom

Re: Ooh, owe, ouch ESWT Dec. 31st after 2 years of pain

Dr. Z on 1/05/03 at 20:15 (104920)

Ice, heat, ice five minutes for each. May need to have taping, boot cast,
or unna boot. Do you think you are on your feet too much? What kind of work do you do. May need to use an open back darby shoe to get the weight off the foot

Re: Ooh, owe, ouch ESWT Dec. 31st after 2 years of pain

BrianG on 1/05/03 at 21:25 (104925)

Hey Tom,

So it hurts like hell from a few little sound wave zaps, does it? Can you imagine the pain if they went in and cut you!!! I think we all all go though different emotional stages with this injury. I think every person here as had to try to explain to their friends and family what is happening with them and their feet. You'll have people tell you to just get over it, and get on with your life. Myself, I was in denial for years, that all this pain could come from a simple case of PF !!

Your going to have to change your life for awhile, give your feet some rest. Dr. Z gave you some good suggestions. Read Scott's book, found elsewhere here on this site. Try whatever you think will help. Unfortunatly there is not usually one thing that will help to heal you, unless you are one of the lucky people who are cured in the first month or so. You have every right to bitch and moan, we've all been there. My suggesion is to try to find a good, compassionate doctor, who will 'listen' to you. One who will not be afraid to use his prescription pad if necessary. Read, read, read, and see the best specialists you can afford. Document everything you try, every med you take, even if it's over the counter. I say this only because you will need it, if you can't cure your problems. Hopefully you won't need any of it, as a cure could be in your near future.

Good luck, most people are cured!!
BrianG

Re: Very little improvement ESWT Dec. 31st after 2 years of pain

TomC on 1/25/03 at 16:16 (106768)

Thx,
Set for a follow up appt. this week.
Brian, I don't think the ESWT itself caused any more pain than before.
It's just that I maybe was hoping for even a small amount of instant relief. Anyway, pain that used to be there all night is now gone, no more 'ache' and feels good in the morning. But as soon as I get to 5-7 steps off the bed it's coming back. And it seems to get to it's worse point earlier in the day. Dr. Z, no, I'm not on my feet all day, work in a cube. But have many meetings, probably walking/standing about 25-35% of my time each week.
I've tried the ice/heat/ice and it seemed to make the ache more prominent?
I'm still stretching ans that doesn't seem any different.
Thx, Update yall later.
Tom

Re: Very little improvement ESWT Dec. 31st after 2 years of pain

Dr. Z on 1/25/03 at 21:22 (106803)

It can take eight weeks plus for some relief. In the mean time an open back darby shoe or a boot cast may help