John/Wendy, Discussion Thread Vanished??Posted by Scott D. on 5/29/03 at 11:56 (120268)
Last night I was reading a rather heated discussion thread on this board involving, among other topics, a patient confidentiality issue. Today, the entire topic seems to have been removed from the board, or have I simply not looked in the right place? Can you please tell us why, if indeed it was removed?
Re: John/Wendy, Discussion Thread Vanished??Dr. Z on 5/29/03 at 21:36 (120326)
That funny, I can't seen to remember this thread.
Re: John/Wendy, Discussion Thread Vanished??Scott D. on 5/30/03 at 06:16 (120341)
I find that a bit disturbing rather than funny actually. Maybe one of the advertisers on the board requested that it be deleted? 'Makes you wonder', to quote one of the posters on that thread.
Re: John/Wendy, Discussion Thread Vanished??john h on 5/30/03 at 09:00 (120354)
John has never edited or eliminated any post and I doubt that Wendy has either.
Re: John/Wendy, Discussion Thread Vanished??Scott D. on 5/30/03 at 09:09 (120355)
John.. Who else would have the ability to do that then?
Re: It's gone !!!!!BrianG on 5/30/03 at 09:11 (120356)
Then who did it??? It's definatly missing, and I think it's wrong to just delete a thread, without even a short note from who did it, and why. Scott, is this something that you felt you had to do? I know this is your board, and you can do whatever you like, but if you didn't do it, then I think you should be concerned at who might have access to your privileges.
Re: John/Wendy, Discussion Thread Vanished??Pauline on 5/30/03 at 09:24 (120358)
I think John can only speak for John, I doubt's don't count when they are spoken for someone else, we haven't had testimony from the third person with the ability to delete posts, and Scott owns the board.
Remember no one is under oath here. My suggestion, learn from this experience and print what you want when you see it. A simple answer that works. Let nothing surprise you.
Re: It's gone !!!!!Pauline on 5/30/03 at 09:29 (120359)
I think your right, if things go missing some comment should be made. Enough people noticed this one that it's very obvious why it was done and who it was done for.
Re: It's gone !!!!!Scott D. on 5/30/03 at 09:46 (120364)
The point you make is the troubling one here. That coupled with the arrogance of an earlier poster to try and make a joke of the issue. I would suppose if that particular issue were persued by the alleged injured party via the legal system, that the posts of this board would be called into evidence. Having disappeared (at least for the time being we might assume?)one might consider that an attempt, by someone able to alter the contents of this board, to hide facts and destroy potential evidence. That's nasty stuff, with nasty penalties so I'm guessing they were just temporarily lost in the shuffle and will reappear.
Re: It's gone !!!!!Pauline on 5/30/03 at 10:54 (120371)
The 'joke' as you describe it is a pattern as old as this board. It's appeared on numerous occasions. I pointed it out in one of my posts some time ago. Nothing new here. It's as predictable as the sun rising.
Now that you've become aware of it you can follow the pattern.
Re: John/Wendy, Discussion Thread Vanished??john h on 5/30/03 at 12:22 (120381)
Pauline: You are correct in that John can only speak for John but Scott owns the board and he can delete anthing he wants. He can block any poster he wants and has done so on occasion. That is the way this thing works and I have no problem with it. I do not even know what post you guys are talking about being eliminated. The board is funded and founded by Scott and it his baby to do with as he wishes. I think he has done a very good job with the board or else why are we all here? If there was a better place I would be there. Some reasons I think I remember, from past years, about people being censored, blocked,etc were people looking for free advertising or people who were just rude or vulgar. These have been few and far between. I can also remember post disappearing for what I think were probably computer gliches which no one can explain. Sometimes when Scott makes adjustments to the programing of the board we have had post disappear. I for one do not look for some conspiracy theory and I do not even know what post you are discussing. If I ever eliminated a thread you can bet I would stand up and say so but I have not seen anything worthy of editing in my judgement. You can preach communism, socialism, conservatims, liberalism, or anything else. Just remember you learned everything you really need to know in Kindergarten when it comes to being nice.
Re: It's gone !!!!!john h on 5/30/03 at 12:28 (120382)
Brain: What thread was eliminated and when was it posted and what was it about? Post the rascal again and see what happens. Just remember in computer world a lot of things can happen that we cannot account for.Remember Scott shut our Social Board down for a while when we got out of control--and we were getting out of control. Let us all be careful as I sure would not like for this Social Board to disappear for good.
Re: John/Wendy, Discussion Thread Vanished??john h on 5/30/03 at 12:40 (120383)
Scott D: I do not know who else could eliminate a thread other than me or Wendy and of course Scott. Having never altered or eliminated a thread I am not sure I could even eliminate an entire thread and if I did I would most certainly post that I did it and why. I still think we could be looking at some computer glitch which I have seen happen before when Scott has worked on his program. If the thread concerned some sort of advertising I know Scott is sensitive about that, as he should be, and might have eliminated it. It cost him money to keep this thing going and it is not a place for everyone to just post their goods for sale without some arrangement with him.Certainly we should point no fingers at anyone as we really do not know what happened. What ever disappeared can surely be reposted unless Scott eliminated it so it should be no big deal.This is a privately held, privately funded board so the owner is free to do as he wishes. On some of the boards I have visited the Moderators are really busy deleting obscene language and all sort of total nonsense. Our board is really a pretty good open forum where everone gets to speak their minds.It is surely the best board I visit.
Re: John/Wendy, Discussion Thread Vanished??john h on 5/30/03 at 12:53 (120386)
Scott D. I found the subject matter you mentioned about the missing thread and that is of patient confidentiality. I also remember the thread. I certainly did not remove it but if I were Scott I would have considered removing it if any names were mentioned in the thread for very obvious reasons. There are always people ready to sue on the drop of a hat. This is such a sensitive issue these days and one I would avoid getting involved in if at all possible. We all know or should that personal information has to be guarded very carefully by not only Hospitals and Doctors but business as well. So much garbage appears on computer chat boards I have no idea what the law has to say about that. It seems to me there are some subjects we should avoid on the board to avoid any legal entaglements from both the posters and owners point of view. We need to keep the board and not bring it down.
Re: John/Wendy, Discussion Thread Vanished??Pauline on 5/30/03 at 12:55 (120387)
I think I mentioned Scott owns the board, but don't recall my post discussing any conspiracy theory.
Personally I think any farther discussion should be moved to the Social board but I don't see the need.
Re: John/Wendy, Discussion Thread Vanished??Scott D. on 5/30/03 at 12:56 (120388)
I agree that this is a good board! I also agree that Scott can do with it as he pleases.
That said however, one of his advertisers went way over the edge and apparently divulged a confidence which was considered to have been under the doctor/patient umbrella. The advertiser/doctor was called on his action by the patient and the ensuing dialogue was not something I am sure the doctor wanted to remain available to the public in this forum. There was also a remark by the advertiser which was perceived by another poster to be made in a threatening manner against her. My guess is that given the circumstance, the advertiser asked that the thread be removed to cover himself from a possible legal actions.
While the board is a wonderful place for information, if someone should choose to make a personal attack against another, or distribute misinformation, then he/she should be held accountable for their actions. This should not be a forum to be able to say whatever they want knowing that their remarks can simply be erased if they get themselves in trouble.
As you can tell I am tiptoeing around names and details but if the original posts are available to you then you can fill in the blanks rather easily.
Re: John/Wendy, Discussion Thread Vanished??BrianG on 5/30/03 at 12:59 (120389)
Just in case you can't remember the thread, maybe this will jog your memory. I personally think that since you have taken the ball on this one, you should speak with Scott to see if somone has gotten into his system, without his authorization, and removed a thread.
Cut & Pasted:
Message Number 120208
Re: To Elliott View Thread
Posted by Dorothy C. on 5/28/03 at 18:36 I am going to second the point of view that any violation of patient-doctor confidentiality, and most particularly on a public forum like this, is completely out of bounds, legally, ethically and common-sensically. I am one of, (I am going to venture a wild guess here), many posters/lurkers who has not one clue of what the dispute or argument or debate is about, but a charge of a violation like this is not trivial. It should not be made casually, nor should it be received casually. It is, however, also disconcerting that a public forum like this should be made a forum for what is apparently a personal dispute between ?two? parties. If a podiatrist or other medical professional has acted inappropriately toward a patient and that patient has proven that in the appropriate settings - e.g. court or licensure settings - then perhaps it should become a more public issue, but before that, it seems to be a discussion that has transcended the parameters of a website's message board. While an individual whose privacy or reputation has been violated has my sympathy, a message board is probably not the arena to resolve that serious problem. On the other hand, if unethical behavior or quackery or other 'red flags' are proven and part of the public record, then it would do all who visit a focused website a service to alert others to that information - but only what is proven, factual and fair.
In my humble opinion
Re: John/Wendy, Discussion Thread Vanished??john h on 5/30/03 at 13:09 (120394)
I did a search under 'patient confidentiality' and found a number of post. One from Elliott and others. Are these the so called missing threads. This subject seems clear cut and seems to be getting us no where.
I do not know Scott's arrangements with any of the Doctors or other people who sell products but it would only make sense that they pay him a fee to be allowed to promote their products or services. TV works the same way. So if any of the Doctors or other folks who offer products or services do pay Scott a fee then obviously they are well within their rights to offer their products and services as often as they want. This board cannot survive on Scott's good will and Scotts personal money. My wife hates TV commercials and often mutes them out. I tell her I hear about many good products I would never hear about if I blocked them all out. Advertising brings us TV, this board and many other things.You are all informed consumers so read and accept or reject what you want. I am all for the professionals on this board such as the Docs, BG, Nurses,Sunny, etc. They bring us information we would never get otherwise and the board would be much the less without them. I am really disappointed to see them pounded on so often.
Re: John/Wendy, Discussion Thread Vanished??Pauline on 5/30/03 at 13:22 (120395)
I think Scott also gave Dr. Ed the 'delete' privilege. You, Wendy and Dr. Ed besides himself. I think these orders came down after that last
discussion that Dr. Ed was part of on the Social Board.
I believe it was of a political nature and the board was closed for a while.
Re: John/Wendy, Discussion Thread Vanished??Pauline on 5/30/03 at 13:33 (120397)
I could be wrong, but I believe Scott posted on several occasions his advertisers are allowed to (self endorse) only 6 times a year.
John your for America, Apple Pie and Chicken Soup as well and no one faults you for that.
Re: John/Wendy, Discussion Thread Vanished??john h on 5/30/03 at 13:35 (120398)
Brian: I found a few threads on the subject when I did a search. I can assure you I eliminated no threads and would bet my last dollard Wendy did not.
If I were Scott I would have eliminated the thread as we do not need to venture into the area where we are talking law suits and such. This board does not seem an appropriate forum for such topics and could endanger the board itself. Scott may or may have not eliminated the thread and it may in fact be still out there. Doctors, Hospitals, and many businesses have you sign a document these days concerning your rights on this subject. No such thing exist for the internet. What are you going to do when some bozo from France post all your personal information which he can more easily access than you think through the internet..
If someone thinks their confidentiality rights have been violated they should take it up with the person who they feel violated their rights and not the messenger or forum where it appeared..
You as I enjoy this board and I think we need to move on from this subject so we will continue to have a board
Re: John/Wendy, Discussion Thread Vanished??BrianG on 5/30/03 at 13:53 (120401)
I'm not trying to argue with you, I know we both enjoy this board. What I'm saying is that someone may have 'hacked' into the system, to remove that thread. If thats the case, I'm sure that you would not just want it to go away.
Re: John/Wendy, Discussion Thread Vanished??john h on 5/30/03 at 14:31 (120405)
Pauline: Actually my favorite is Chicken & Rice Soup. Hmm Hmm good!
Re: John/Wendy, Discussion Thread Vanished??john h on 5/30/03 at 14:34 (120406)
Dr. Ed may have those privelige as I do not know, at the time Dr. Ed was very much in the middle of the debate.
Re: John/Wendy, Discussion Thread Vanished??BrianJ on 5/30/03 at 14:36 (120408)
I feel it necessary to comment on this subject. My concern is that, if someone silently revised or deleted a thread to protect an advertiser, then the credibility of the advertiser (and the board) is suspect. The value of a message board derives directly from the good-faith postings of its posters. To manipulate the content of the board is to devalue the board. Of course (as JohnH and others have said), there may be a valid reason for deleting certain threads. If so, tell us so, so we don't have to dream up conspiracy theories.
Re: John/Wendy, Discussion Thread Vanished??Pauline on 5/30/03 at 15:00 (120417)
Very well said Brian.
Re: John/Wendy, Discussion Thread Vanished??Dr. Z on 5/30/03 at 15:20 (120422)
Dr. Z never asked for any removal of any thread.
Re: John/Wendy, Discussion Thread Vanished??Dr. Z on 5/30/03 at 16:58 (120439)
'Makes you wonder' Since you repeated this phase. Who do you think the poser who made that statement was talking about.
Re: It's gone !!!!!Dr. Z on 5/30/03 at 17:01 (120440)
Who do you think it was done for an why do you think it was done ??.
Re: John/Wendy, Discussion Thread Vanished?? Probable location of the thread...Ed Davis, DPM on 5/30/03 at 20:35 (120461)
There is a fifth dimension beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow - between science and superstition. And it lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of the imagination. It is an area which we call the Twilight Zone. ;)
Re: John/Wendy, Discussion Thread Vanished?? Probable location of the thread...BGCPED on 5/31/03 at 06:16 (120487)
Good one Dr Ed. My favorite was the one with the hot looking blonde that was in the hospital. They treated her like a leper cause the Dr and Nurses all had pig faces and they thought she was a freak for being different....that was a good one
Re: John/Wendy, Discussion Thread Vanished?? Probable location of the thread...Ed Davis, DPM on 5/31/03 at 09:54 (120510)
I remember that one too. Where have all the creative writers gone?
Re: John/Wendy, Discussion Thread Vanished?? Probable location of the thread...john h on 5/31/03 at 13:25 (120521)
Barb remains our greatest creative writer of all time with the episodes of Dr. Hewi Lewi. They were priceless. I heard from her a little over a year ago. She still had foot problems.