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Posted by carmen h on 6/22/03 at 19:27 (122633)

Who is this Ultra Conservative poster and can you end the annoying posts from this thing?

Re: scottr

wendyn on 6/22/03 at 19:30 (122635)

carmen - I don't know the post you are referring to....(please copy in the link for scott) - and I don't know if an email trigger will work if it's typed in the subject line.

It may need the scottr in the actual body of the note...so this will get it there anyway!

Re: scottr

Peter R on 6/22/03 at 19:57 (122637)

Why do you think that you posses the right to be a censor of peoples thoughts. I read those posts and not one person on this board was maligned. I happen to agree that Liberals are the ills off society and that we would be better off without them and people like you who place themselves above others. I think that your annoying and I want your posts censored.

Re: annoying posts - just a statement of heelspurs.com's current position

Scott R on 6/22/03 at 21:34 (122639)

We're going to delete any posts that are not related to heel pain. The social/support category is an exception...we let political and other things occur there. spam and blatant meanness as defined by the designated censors (john h and myself and wendy if she wants) is not allowed anywhere. heelspurs.com LLC has the right to censor just as any newspaper or magazine has the right to pick what letters to the editor are prints. Peter R may have only been objecting to carmen's complaints, but i need to be aware of when spam is posted

Re: annoying posts - just a statement of heelspurs.com's current position

wendyn on 6/22/03 at 21:54 (122640)

scottr - I really have to opt out of any formal responsibility. I'm not here enough to be effective, and I can't possibly read even the majority of the posts anymore.

For now, if I find anything that I think needs to be addressed - I'll email you or John.

Have fun!

;)

Re: For ScottR Re: annoying posts

Sharon W on 6/22/03 at 22:07 (122641)

ScottR,

You wanted the specifics. Here is the interchange on the 'Social' board that must have prompted Carmen's complaints to you about 'Ultra Conservative'. She said nothing to provoke his remarks; she was just 'chatting' with Dave r. I have included the message number for Ultra Conservative's post:

Sharon

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Re: Toes for dinner? View Thread
Posted by dave r on 6/19/03 at 09:21

Are you done moving all your stuff Carmen?

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Re: Toes for dinner?
Posted by carmen h on 6/20/03 at 08:20

YES...we are in! but done? No way! We have sooo much work to do.
We painted the den, kitchen, hallway, basement, both bathrooms and our bedroom and the entry way BEFORE we moved in (we took a week to do it) and cleaned the FILM of dirt off the walls and windows (how SOME people live! UGH) and then moved in. Got new carpet in the basement just two days ago...NOW we have formal dining, living, guest bedroom and office to do.
whew.
We went from a 1200 Sq ft rental home to a 3,000 Sq ft house on a basement....took me a half hour to vaccuum!

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Message Number 122480

Re: Toes for dinner? View Thread
Posted by ULTRA CONSERVATIVE on 6/20/03 at 18:30

Does your home still have the wheels on it or did you have a housewarming party and take them off?

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Re: annoying posts - just a statement of heelspurs.com's current position

john h on 6/22/03 at 22:24 (122642)

Send it on over Wendy. I read anything..I do not take Carmen's cmplaint lightly but everyone remember to just not respond to post that offend you or better yet if you see a poster you know will offend you do not even read it. Eventually these attention getters will get bored and go away. If post go beyond a certain point I will delete but I have only done that once since I have been here. I do not like a lot of post but that does not make them deletable.

Re: ultra conservative

Scott R on 6/23/03 at 07:08 (122653)

we do not have a policy toward anonymous posters, but usually their posts are anonymous because they are trying to protect their identity while trying to inflame. humor is welcomed, but i guess ultra conservative crossed the line. this is a warning to ultra. for those curious, i am the only moderator who can see the IP address of posters.

Re: scottr

carmen h on 6/23/03 at 08:02 (122655)

scottr

This post by peter would be considered a 'slam' to me.

Pete R. it's none of your business what offends and doesn't offend certain people.
As far as being above people this certainly does not apply to me.
thanks for running me off....hope it was worth it to you.

Re: Carmen...

Suzanne D on 6/23/03 at 08:17 (122657)

Carmen, please don't go. I hate it when good posters are 'run off' by those who seek to offend. Then it seems that they win.

I will e-mail you soon. I'm happy to hear of your new house! I'm sure it is beautiful!

Suzanne :)

Re: Ultra Conservative and our responses

Kathy G on 6/23/03 at 09:17 (122660)

If a poster is legitimate, he or she refrains from using insults and inflammatory language. If he or she must resort to such tactics, then it is best to totally ignore that person. I don't even bother to read Ultra Conservative's posts nor would I lower myself to respond to them. That's the beauty of these boards. We can choose to ignore those posts that we consider to be irrelevant.

Carmen, ignore him/her. Don't stoop to his/her level by responding. You've been around a long time and we all know you and are happy to hear from you.

Re: scottr

Scott R on 6/23/03 at 10:27 (122669)

yes, it was not a nice post...peter and ultra have been warned...they are both new.

Re: scottr

Dan on 6/23/03 at 15:12 (122721)

but 'they' certainly seem like happy, well-adjusted guy(s). No psychological problems there, no sir.

And they am prity durn gud with grammir and speling to.

Re: Scott, just my 2 cents

marie on 6/23/03 at 15:39 (122725)

Last week I had a problem with Peter R & Ultra's post calling all liberals scumbags etc.... I responded very upset to his posts. I do believe Peter R and Ultra are indeed the same poster. John H did delete ultra's post but not Peter R's post. Peter has mad emany blatently insulting comments to many of (mostly women posters here at the board). There was some discussion on how to handle these types of posts by ignoring them. Because of that I do not feel comfortable posting here.

I do not agree with ignoring the posts. Maybe my response last week was a bit strong but I feel it to be appropriate under the circumstances. Sorry ladies but ignoring a problem won't make it go away. If you don't like long disscusions don't read them and please feel free to start a new topic.
I would suggest not discussing views about the board and the posters....even some nice folks here have gotten verbally abusive.

We need too have at least two moderators on this board. One could be conservative and one liberal, or at least open minded. The posts should be deleted and two or more complaints should warrent that poster to be blocked.

Sharon is here alot maybe she would consider being a moderator along with John.

The moderator's need to be fair but firm in their post deletions.

Thanks a heep...feel better now.

marie

Re: Scott, just my 2 cents

marie on 6/23/03 at 16:42 (122746)

This a post I started and Pauline responded to.....Peter R was very offensive. Ultra's post was deleted by john. I was very upset by both posts. I don't mind debate but this is just plain weird. pete R also insulted Pauline in an earlier post about Canada. Both Peter and Ultra should be blocked from posting....as I believe they are the same person.

Disturbing trend in homeless folks in town.....
This is a thread posted in category: Social / Support . . View All Heel Pain Categories
Posted by marie on 6/13/03 at 19:57
As I have posted before I live in a small summer resort community. Many wealthy folks have their second , third, and fourth homes here on on one of the lakes in our county. Every year like clockwork our summer residents return for fun on the lakes. We also have several homeless transients that also return like clock work. I don't know were they go in the winter but they often stay here a few weeks or longer in the summer. After about 17 years some of them have become familiar faces. This year we have our first woman. I don't know why it upsets me but I am so concerned for her. She is filthy from head to toe and seems to be in a bit of a daze most of the time. Most of our transients are harmless. Some of them have mental health issues. We do have a shelter in our community. I guess I am just concerned for her well being. It's tough enough to be a man in this situation but I fear a woman would be at risk. We aren't without crime and we have a huge methamphetimine problem. Just had to mention it. Didn't mean to take up too much space....it just concerns me a little and I feel helpless to do anything.

marie

Reply to Message # 121807

Re: Disturbing trend in homeless folks in town.....
Posted by Pauline on 6/13/03 at 20:06
Perhaps your mentioning the situation could provide you with some good ideas to lend a carrying hand to this individual Discussing your concerns about her well being with the pastor of a local church might bring enought attention to her plight so she could receive the additional care that's needed.

Many times all it take is one person to notice and report something so others get the help they need.

Reply to Message # 121808

Re: Disturbing trend in homeless folks in town.....
Posted by marie on 6/13/03 at 21:50
That's a good idea. Thanks.

Reply to Message # 121815

Re: Disturbing trend in homeless folks in town.....
Posted by Peter R on 6/14/03 at 12:21
If any person, homeless or not, mentally disturbed or not is in violation of any law or a danger to any person or to property then they should be subject to the penalties of that law without mercy. If they are a danger to themselves then they should be incarcerated until they are judged to no longer be a danger. To do anything else simply makes society enablers of antisocial behavior. Oh my- I must be wrong - I hear the lberal scum bags out there moaning and groaning that nobody should ever be resposible for their behavior and perpertrators of anti social acts are really the victims.

Re: Scott, just my 2 cents

john h on 6/23/03 at 16:46 (122747)

Marie I did get critsized for deleting the post I did so you cannot win in this position. I do not agree with the post you mention and will not dignify them by mentioning their name as this only spurs them on. There are things in life you just have to ignore and pass on by unless they really get harmful. If i deleted every post I did not like or disagreed with I would be hung at sunup by the members of the board. You know who annoys you so do not read their post. When they get out of hand I will delete them but as you know deleting anyone's post is not to be taken lightly. I do not see all the post but do read the board nearly every day. Scott has pretty much said to allow most post on the social board to fly tempered by what ever judgement I have. The other boards are to stick to the subject for which they were designed. Believe me when I say I see post all the time I do not like. Our society allows a lot of things such as the KKK to demonstrate just like anyone else so some of the post we do not like are mild compared to this.

Re: Scott, just my 2 cents

marie on 6/23/03 at 18:36 (122753)

That's too bad. Why have moderators if we can't trust their judgement?

I don't go too alot of message boards but the ones I do go to the moderators bump posts off all the time.
Our posts appear long because it's an older style message board. I think Max made a good suggestion about updating the board but I am sure it's too much work for Scott. So sometimes it appears that some folks are taking up all the space. It's just an illusion. Some boards have as many as 97+ responses to a post. I don't open those because they are too long.

I do know a little about ignoring poor behavior...I deal with that issue daily. In fact I think that was one of the problems we had with Iraq...just pretend that we don't know what Saddam is doing to his people and it'll be alright....well it wasn't alright he was a murderous tyrant. Believe me ignoring a problem is not the answer. I am not saying posters should necesarily respond as i did. But that our moderators need to delete (it's called bumping a post) inappropriate comments. No one at the other boards I've been to object. I'd like too know exactly who complained to you....? Where they conservatives, like Ultra? I believe this to be a fair question and not meant to offend anyone. Political bias is not appropriate. The comment to Carmen was absolutely rude. I did ignore the post as some would like to have it that way. But Carmen is a human being that I cannot ignore. Pauline is a human being I cannot ignore. They all have the right to come here and not be threatened and intimdated to leave. There are people with real feelings at the end of each computer. Do you want the board dominated by folks like Ultra? If you are unable to delete inappropriate posts than maybe you should not be a moderator. I don't mean that to be a mean spirited comment to you John, because you are a decent man, just something to think about.

I am not trying to win. Just givin my 2 cents.

P.S. Hope your toe feels better today....that must have smarted a good one.

marie

Re: Scott, just my 2 cents

Sharon W on 6/23/03 at 19:44 (122757)

Marie,

If you want ScottR to see the post you just made, above, you need to either write 'ScottR' in the text of your message asking that he remove the post, or e-mail him directly. Here it is, in Scott's own (recent) words:

Sharon

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how to fix problems in the message board
Posted by Scott R (heelspurs.com's owner) on 6/16/03 at 21:56

'if you think a post or poster is out of line, please email me, or include 'scottr' (no space before the r) in a post where you are explaining to a poster why their posts are out of line. posts with 'scottr' in them get sent to my email. my email is (email removed) '
.

Re: Scott, just my 2 cents

marie on 6/23/03 at 20:05 (122762)

Thanks Sharon. You are so helpful.

Re: Scottr

marie on 6/23/03 at 20:07 (122763)

;)This a post I started and Pauline responded to.....Peter R was very offensive. Ultra's post was deleted by john. I was very upset by both posts. I don't mind debate but this is just plain weird. pete R also insulted Pauline in an earlier post about Canada. Both Peter and Ultra should be blocked from posting....as I believe they are the same person.

Disturbing trend in homeless folks in town.....
This is a thread posted in category: Social / Support . . View All Heel Pain Categories
Posted by marie on 6/13/03 at 19:57
As I have posted before I live in a small summer resort community. Many wealthy folks have their second , third, and fourth homes here on on one of the lakes in our county. Every year like clockwork our summer residents return for fun on the lakes. We also have several homeless transients that also return like clock work. I don't know were they go in the winter but they often stay here a few weeks or longer in the summer. After about 17 years some of them have become familiar faces. This year we have our first woman. I don't know why it upsets me but I am so concerned for her. She is filthy from head to toe and seems to be in a bit of a daze most of the time. Most of our transients are harmless. Some of them have mental health issues. We do have a shelter in our community. I guess I am just concerned for her well being. It's tough enough to be a man in this situation but I fear a woman would be at risk. We aren't without crime and we have a huge methamphetimine problem. Just had to mention it. Didn't mean to take up too much space....it just concerns me a little and I feel helpless to do anything.

marie

Reply to Message # 121807

Re: Disturbing trend in homeless folks in town.....
Posted by Pauline on 6/13/03 at 20:06
Perhaps your mentioning the situation could provide you with some good ideas to lend a carrying hand to this individual Discussing your concerns about her well being with the pastor of a local church might bring enought attention to her plight so she could receive the additional care that's needed.

Many times all it take is one person to notice and report something so others get the help they need.

Reply to Message # 121808

Re: Disturbing trend in homeless folks in town.....
Posted by marie on 6/13/03 at 21:50
That's a good idea. Thanks.

Reply to Message # 121815

Re: Disturbing trend in homeless folks in town.....
Posted by Peter R on 6/14/03 at 12:21
If any person, homeless or not, mentally disturbed or not is in violation of any law or a danger to any person or to property then they should be subject to the penalties of that law without mercy. If they are a danger to themselves then they should be incarcerated until they are judged to no longer be a danger. To do anything else simply makes society enablers of antisocial behavior. Oh my- I must be wrong - I hear the lberal scum bags out there moaning and groaning that nobody should ever be resposible for their behavior and perpertrators of anti social acts are really the victims.

Re: Scott, just my 2 cents

John Holt on 6/24/03 at 08:53 (122796)

Marie: Of course the thrust of your post 'If you are unable to delete inappropriate posts then maybe you should not be a moderator.' If there is a Solomon among us Marie then let him/her step up. Inappropriate means different things to different people and what offends some does not offend others. As I wrote I was critized for deleting one of Ultra Conservative's post so no one is going to be pleased with every deletion and many critisizie for not deleting enough. I take the freedom of speech rather seriously even when I strongly disagree with many comments made here. Our Little Rock Public Library is currently refusing federal funds because if they accept them they have to put filters on all computers which block certain key words which mght lead to Porn or something else. If you search under nude you may go to a porn site or you may go to a famous painting in the Louve. We have to many people with a variety of perspectives to please all. I do not agree with much of anything Ultra post and wish he would just go away which he probably will unless we continue to respond to him. Since this board was first began I think there has been only one or two people bounced by Scott. We still have one of the better boards going in my opinion with only an occasional surfer who comes in to make trouble and illicit a response. Scott's current guidlines are to stick to the subject on all boards except the social board which was created to discuss anything. Scott has made not of the fact that we have to be careful in censoring and I hope I am doing that. I know it is not in your nature to pass by things that bother you but none of us can cure all the worlds ills. Has Ulta been mean spirted. Yes in my opinion but if we bounced everyone who has been accused of being mean spirited then many would not be here. Read those old words Ricky Nelson sang many years ago ''Garden Party'.

Re: Scott, just my 2 cents

JudyS on 6/24/03 at 15:17 (122837)

Marie - I'm SO very glad you've come back here. I selfishly have enjoyed everything you've written and was sad to see you go. In fact, I hope you'll share your email address with me - (email removed).

As much as I respect Scott's philosophy re: free speech, I agree with your philosophy as well (forgive me,I've always been something of a fence-straddler!)

I would add one thing; So far we've not been 'dominated' by the Ultras of cyberspace. We've far, far more good-hearted and intelligent folks here than not. I still think that if the majority of us ignore the Ultra types, they'll always go away for lack of a responsive audience. Their attention-getting posts are exactly that and if we respond we're giving them totally what they want.

Re: Dear John

marie on 6/24/03 at 16:36 (122843)

That was very well said John. I do very much appreciate your response as always. I don't want any misunderstandings between us. The thrust of my post was not that you shouldn't be a moderator as much as what is the point of having a moderator if they cannot bump posts. For the record bumping Ultra's post was ok by me. I suppose that would come under Scott's domain. The real question is 'What are the duties of the moderator?' and 'Who sets the guidelines up?' I don't think it's up to all of the folks here to set it up but that's what I see happening often. This one thinks we should do this or that etc....so everyone else should do this or that and then someone gets mad when they don't...etc. I personally think the social board has been a pretty nice place as late......don't know about the other boards because I don't visit often. I like you and the other's do agree that posts should be ignored whenever possible. I rarely get upset on this board but Ultra got under my skin and that's why I needed a little break. I do think that the folks here are the best and often try hard to make this a better place to visit on a daily basis.
Sharon was very kind to post scott's directions on how to report an annoying poster. I guess that he posted that on one of the other boards and I somehow missed it. So from now on that is what I will do, per Scott. If anyone else chooses to ignore inapproriate posts than that is their choice and no one needs to be criticized for reporting the post to Scott.

Re: Dear John

Sharon W on 6/24/03 at 18:16 (122847)

Marie,

In the end, Heelspurs IS Scott's site and how its content will be regulated is up to him. If there are ever to be any guidelines, they will be HIS guidelines...

But now that we have instructions for how to let Scott know about offensive posts by e-mail, I don't see any reason to even post our indignant responses on Heelspurs... just let it be handled behind the scenes. That way, those who get angry about conflicting posts will not be bothered, and there is still some chance of doing something about it when a poster gets really out of line.

Sharon
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Re: SCOTT'S E-MAIL ADDRESS

Sharon W on 6/24/03 at 18:27 (122848)

Scott's e-mail, again, is

(email removed)

Sharon
:)

Re: Dear John

marie on 6/24/03 at 19:10 (122849)

I think that was my point.

Thanks for restating it.

marie

Re: Dear John

john h on 6/24/03 at 22:17 (122856)

Marie I think there is a good possibility that we are dealing with young teens or less. This does not mean they should get away with anything just my idea about the source. I try not to let these types get under my skin which is what they want.

Re: Dear John

john h on 6/24/03 at 22:29 (122857)

Marie: What happens with someone we give to much attention to and then I start deleting his/her post is they start typing faster than I can delete. I do not have the authority to block. Only delete. I may create a real problem. Just try to not let these type get under your skin. I know how you must feel but I continue to think if you ignore these types they go away. The more we talk about them the more they post. If they post anything vulgar or terrible offensive I will certainly delete. Try your best to avoid reading these guys post and before you know it school will begin and they will be out of here. Pretend you are at a major league baseball game where there are idiots all around you cursing the players and umpires, throwing batteries at players, and being totally obnoxious. Enjoy the game as it will soon be over. Enjoy all the pleasant poster who surround you every day. Focus girl focus...

Re: Dear John

JudyS on 6/25/03 at 11:46 (122902)

and, Marie, if Cammie happens to be playing third base at whatever game you're focusing on, well, let's just say I hope you're seated behind him.....:)