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Do you get a lot of headaches?

Posted by Sharon W on 7/28/03 at 14:35 (125453)

If you're 'taking something' for a headache almost every day, please read this (excerpts follow). I don't know if these headache experts are are right or not, but they have a very interesting idea about persistent headaches:




'...taking headache pills any more than that can have unexpected and serious consequences. In fact, overusing painkillers can perpetuate headaches, making them return as soon as the medication wears off. And when that pain comes back, the natural response is to take more painkillers -- maybe the worst thing you could do.'

'According to surveys, about 4% of the U.S. population suffers from daily headaches, and Timothy R. Smith, MD, estimates that MOST OF THAT GROUP HAVE REBOUND HEADACHES, also called medication overuse headaches. Though they may be less frequent than migraines -- which afflict 12% of the population -- rebound headaches cause a great deal of preventable suffering.'


'I believe that OVERUSING PAINKILLERS ACTUALLY LOWERS THE LEVEL OF SEROTONIN, a chemical in the brain,' says Seymour Diamond, MD, director and founder of the Diamond Headache Clinic in Chicago and executive chairman of the National Headache Foundation. A DECREASED LEVEL OF SEROTONIN CAN CHANGE HOW A PERSON EXPERIENCES PAIN.'

Re: Do you get a lot of headaches?

Carole C in NOLA on 7/28/03 at 14:47 (125456)

I don't take anything regularly for headaches or anything else. I wouldn't take anything regularly like that, unless I was under a doctor's supervision. Frequent headaches would scream to me that there is likely something wrong that needs to be diagnosed and treated. Don't most headache medicines specify right on the label that if a headache is not just occasional, that a physician should be consulted? If not, then they probably should. Just my opinion - -

Carole C

Re: Do you get a lot of headaches?

john h on 7/28/03 at 16:01 (125468)

I do not remember having a headache since I flew fighters and drank to much. That was many decades ago.

Re: Do you get a lot of headaches?

BevN. on 7/28/03 at 16:30 (125470)

john h ,

My son and his friend were out looking at planes Saturday , and his friend paid $400.00 for an hour flight in a B-17 G Flying Fortress Bomber . It was too steep for my sons pocket though :)

Re: B17 & B24

marie on 7/28/03 at 18:09 (125477)

We saw a B17 fly over the beach at Saugatuck last Tuesday. There was a B24 with it. Every year they fly around and give rides for a pretty steep fee. The last we heard was $300. It's up to $400. What airport was your son and his friend at.....maybe it was your son's friend. My hubby took photos I'll have to post it.


Re: B17 & B24

BevN. on 7/28/03 at 19:19 (125489)


It was the Saginaw airport. They had the B17 and the C47 there he said , and his friend paid $400.00 for the one hour flight . They probably make the rounds to all the airports during the tourist season.
Off the subject ~~ did you get any good paintings or drawings in Ann Arbor at the art show ,and how did your feet hold out for all of that walking during vacation and the art shows ? Did you do okay :)

Re: Do you get a lot of headaches?

Suzanne D on 7/28/03 at 19:24 (125490)

I have had migraines since I was in college (so did my mother, my aunts, and my grandfather). I take Midrin (that's the common name; I can't spell the scientific one!), but not real often.

Sometimes I can ward off a headache in the early stages by using one of those rice-filled bags which you heat in the microwave around my neck. (I look funny if I'm at school, but I have done that before. I just tell the children I have a headache and need to use it to help me get better. They then just accept it and go on. I have heard a child announce to the others, 'You all hush! Can't you see she has a headache?!) ;)

Sometimes if I eat something chocolate or drink a Pepsi that helps. But I can tell when I have to take the medicine. I may use it three or four days in one month and then not have another headache for a few months.

I have found that stress, hunger, bright lights, and loud noises can bring on a headache for me. Before I got the migraine medicine, no other pain reliever helped. I've tried a couple of the new medicines for migraines, but they didn't work as well. My doctor said mine is 'cheap, safe, and proven through the years' and 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it', so I stay with the same medicine.

Suzanne :)

Re: for Bev

marie on 7/29/03 at 08:16 (125520)

I mostly bought ceramic pieces that I think will make good classroom projects. I bought an Ikebana vase and a soap dish. A couple of weeks ago I purchased an old and very large terrarium and am re-furbishing it. My back yard is a tropical jungle. It's a Japanese garden gone wild and it looks so cool that I don't want to give it up in the winter. The terrarium will be a mini version and will sit in front of a large front window. So I spent alot of time in Saugatuck going to nurseries looking for small trees that I can bonsai. I finally found one that would sell me their small starts but they wouldn't part with the Ginko. I bought a Golden Larch (a Chinese pine that looses it's needles in the winter). I bought several bog plants at Lowes. My feet hurt a little after Ann Arbor but I am fine. My son and I are going to Shipshiwana (there is a Bonsai Booth with Ginkos). We had a blast in Saugatuck.......I discovered that it's a little hard to dance to Mustang Sally in Arizonas. It was their Venition festival and all the yachts decorated their boats for a boat parade in the harbor. Despite the weather it was a pretty good party. they did cancel the fireworks. Oval Beach was beautiful. It is considered to be one of the top 5 beaches in the country. Lake Michigan was a little cool. Thanks for asking.


Re: for Bev

BevN. on 7/29/03 at 09:05 (125525)

I am so impressed, I can hardly get a houseplant to grow . I would love to see your lovely gardens. They had a garden walk here to raise $$ and I heard those gardens were fabulous with waterfalls and all. Someday, when I have my feet back , I hope to do more landscaping , I have the pictures cut out of magazines and the plans , so when my feet are better I hope to get to it :) I hope that you have a good day today and a better rest of the summer . When do you go back to school ?

Re: for Bev

BevN. on 7/29/03 at 09:15 (125526)

I have been meaning to ask you , are you still using that progersterone cream rub on your feet daily ? I am so very impressed how well you have progressed with your PF , etc. and you are walking and doing so much after being scooter bound that I want to follow in your 'foot tracks' . What is the MSM you are taking? Thanks for posting the amount of Glus. Sul you take, that is a help too. Bev

Re: B17 & B24

john h on 7/29/03 at 09:33 (125527)

I have about 400 hours as the pilot of a C-47 and once flew one from Iceland to the states. That old bird is about as tough as they come. There are many of them still flying all over the world. In Vietnam we equipped them with mini guns that fired out of the side and they were used as very deadly gun ships. The C-47 known as a DC-3 in the civilian world was really the plane that made civilian passenger flying safe and affordable. As a child of about 6 or 7 I remember going to the Atlanta Airport which was nothing more than a small building with a chain link fence and there would usually be 3 or 4 DC-3s parked there. That really impressed me and so began my love of flying. A funny story about my C-47 flying: I only had about 6 hours in the aircraft as a copilot and one day in Denver where I was attending Avionics School I was scheduled for a monthly training flight just to keep current. Me and an older Major showed up at the C-47 and I climbed into the copilots seat. He asked me what I was doing? Being only a Lieutenant I said I am your co-pilot sir. He said he had no idea how to fly this aircraft. Like most pilots I figured there was nothing I could not fly so I jumped in the pilots seat and off we went. Some idiot scheduling officer probably saw I had several thousand hours of flying time and figured I must be a qualified Aircraft Commander in the C-47. Fortunately we had no passengers.

Re: for Bev

marie on 7/29/03 at 09:39 (125529)

Last summer I spent most of my time in the Japanese garden. I dragged myself and scooted. It is very shady so the heat didn't get to me. It was a good distration from the pain. It is an enclosed garden so I didn't have to worry about what I looked like. My hubby spent alot of time getting dirt out of the back of my pants. Other than that I didn't do anything last summer. I know you'll get well and I hope your summer next year you can try some things.

I am a well known houseplant murderous. There are wanted posters at every nursery in the tri-state area. Terrariums take little work so I am hoping the plants will survive.

School for me started yesterday. I will be there 3 days a week. Supplies are coming in and I need to go through things and organize. Officially it starts for teachers on Aug. 18. It is always exciting to get supplies. I found a source for blank kites. I bought about 100 of them. Very cheap. We will look at Japanese and American kites. We are going to study frogs. At some point there will be 100 leaping frogs in the sky at our school.

Re: B17 & B24

marie on 7/29/03 at 09:42 (125530)

That's so funny. I'm glad you didn't have any passengers either.

Re: B17 & B24

john h on 7/29/03 at 09:49 (125532)

Marie check out http://www.skyraider.org

Re: for Bev

marie on 7/29/03 at 10:09 (125540)

This is my routine. I take 300 mg of neurontin 3 times a day, 1000 mg of glucosamine twice a day(with meals), 500 mg. of MSM (with meals) once a day, 100 mg of magnesium(do not take it with neurontin it prevents absorption of the neurontin into your bloodstram, calcium and use the progesterone cream on my ankles calves and knees. I do notice a difference when I don't use the cream. It is the menopausal formula and can be bought at Walmart in the vitamin section with the menopausal formulas. It is a small dose but I feel the daily use has helped with the swelling and puffiness in my ankles. I am at the tail end of menopause.
I also take 50 mg of elavil. It is a common anti-depressant that is used for neurological malfunctions and nerve pain. It has really helped and is a double bonus because it keeps me a little more level emotionally. It isn't enough to really be considered a treatment for depression. Some folks myself included take vitamin B12. I walk and stretch at my own pace. When I was like you my husband began massaging my feet and calves daily with the progesterone cream. Do not massage directly of the tarsal tunnel. I usually paid him back with a nice neck rub....but he didn't expect all the time because he could see how bad I was. I follow the massage with 5 minutes of frozen peas on my ankles.

And lastly Birkenstocks!!!!!

This routine has worked for me. I was determined to walk in the MS walk it kept me focused. They folks here are wonderful for support and information and I appreciate each and every person here.

By the way my son told me that anyone can go to the service desk and pay for things at Walmart. They don't advertise it but it is great for us folks who can't stand in long lines. I shop more often at Walmart now.

How are you feeling? I hope this helps.

Re: B17 & B24

marie on 7/29/03 at 10:11 (125541)

That's an excellent site. I can't wait to show my hubby.

Re: B17 & B24

John Holt on 7/29/03 at 13:35 (125554)

Marie: try http://www.jollygreen.org
access helicopter losses and scroll down to Special Operations Losses and you will find my name listed there. This site is the Jolly Green Air Rescue Site. They have some tapes of rescues and some good pictures,etc.

Re: for Bev

BevN. on 7/29/03 at 13:50 (125555)


Thankyou for the info. What is MSM ? I have the prog. cream from Walmart, I have used it , but not faithfully , I should though if it helps you it may help me. I use the electric cart at Walmart when I shop, it is the only way I can go. Hubby drives me to the door and I just have to walk a few feet (using my cane)into the store to get on the electric cart and he parks the car and then comes in. I just bought B12 1000 mcg , & I am on Topamax & Ultram & Motrin. I wear Birks around the house and NB with the orthotics in when I go out. If we go anywhere that requires walking, hubby pushes this ol' lady in the w/c now as these ol' feet just do not hold me up for long at all .We even went camping with the children for a weekend , it worked out okay as there are nice handicap bathrooms at the state campgrounds and our camp site was right next to the bathroom. I pretty much just stay home most of the time though , sit out on the deck and read and enjoy the sunshine :)

Re: for Bev

marie on 7/29/03 at 16:58 (125577)

MSM is Methysulfonylmethane. It is an organic source of sulfer, a mineral that is vital in the formation of collagen, connective tissue, and healthy joint cartilage. It helps support your joints.

My podiatrist suggested it along with Glucosamine. It was several months before I noticed a change. It helps. The daily foot and leg massages with the progesterone cream really made a difference. I still use it once a day. It may not be for everyone but being post menopausal I gave it a try and it helped.

it's a great day for sun. You are smart to use a wheel chair to get out...I felt better emotionally when I could go places a little more even if I had to be in a wheel chair.


Re: B17 & B24

BrianG on 7/29/03 at 18:43 (125596)

John, I went to that site, very interesting!!! What type of mission was 'Igloo White'? I also noticed there was a woman plot, Holly Bell? Looks like she went down at least twice, KIA the 2nd time. I didn't realize women were on the front lines in Nam / Loas.


PS: When one of our downed aircraft was destroyed on the ground, by our our troops, was any notice given to the enemy? Like a fly over first, or did they just take out the aircraft, and as many of the enemy as possible at the same time?

Re: B17 & B24

marie on 7/29/03 at 19:02 (125600)

Great site John. My hubby has it bookmarked so he can look at it when he is done with work tonight. Very interesting!! He'll have to explain some of this to me as I am flying illiterate. I bet it was frightening to be shot down ...I can't even begin to imagine. It mentioned friendly fire...where you shot down by our own? You need to share the full story.

thanks marie

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john h on 7/30/03 at 09:32 (125631)

Marie: No I was not shot down by friendly fire but we did use our own fighters to destroy my aircraft to keep it from fallinb into the hands of the North Vietnamese. No I was not scared when it happened but you bet I was the next day when I had to fly again.

Re: B17 & B24

john h on 7/30/03 at 09:55 (125640)

Brian: You asked a very good question in what is Igloo White? It was one of the more secret missions of the war. At Nakon Phanom, Thailand on the Mekong River next to Laos and deep in the jungle there was a large facilty built that housed the Igloo White Operations. The complex looked like an IBM building and even most of the people on the base did not know what they were doing. Early in the war we begin to lay sensors (about 5' long and 5' across) along the known hostile trails of Laos,Vietnam and North Vietnam. You would normally drop a string of six of these from about 200' in a low flying helicopter. We placed thousands of these along the trails. They could do various thing like pick up voices, vibrations, etc. In the sky we had high flying aircraft 24/7 that would pickup thier signals and relay them back to the big computer complex at NKP. If you had a battalion of the North Vietnamese pass by some sensor at point x and 50 miles down the road only half a battalion passed by you knew there was a group camped out somewhere between the two points. You could keep real good information on troop movement. Sometimes the VC would pickup a sensor and hang it in their tent not knowing what it was and you could listen to all their conversations. In a string of six one would normally be a bomb that would detonate if you tried to pick it up. These sensors would transmit about 3 months before the battery went out. They had these sensors all around Kae Sahn during the big battle. My unit lost nearly all of our helicopters as flying at 200' over enemy trails made for good target practice. Actually I flew the last sensor mission of the war when I was shot down. They equipped F-4's to drop them after that. We were so high tech in the helicopter we threw them out by hand but we were low enough and slow enough to put them precisely on target. This project was often called MacNamara's electronic line in the papers.

As I recall Bell was a guy. I think I remember him. When we destroyed one of our own aircraft we gave no notice as usually the bad guys would be on it real quick. I went down on top of a mountain on purpose and the bad guys were on their way up the mountain as my escorting fighters slowed them down enough to get us out in time. We even used B-52's to sometimes destroy an aircraft. A-1E's destroyed mine.

Re: B17 & B24

john h on 7/30/03 at 09:58 (125641)

Brian try http://www.spectre-association.org/

This is the C-130 gunship site. Look under losses or casualities. This is a moving site.

Another one is http://www.ravens.org
They were CIA forward air controllers and lived a life you would not believe.

Re: Holly, one brave dude !!!

BrianG on 7/30/03 at 22:27 (125740)

Your right John, Holly Gene Bell was most definitly a male. Thanks for the info on your project. I hope it's not classified any longer, or you may find yourself with a quick needle stick some day, in a large crowd! Just kidding :*)

You've had a full life, and lived to tell about it !!!

PS: There was a segment on JAG last year where we had to destroy one of our downed spy aircraft, in hostile territory. The pilot made a quick fly over, to give the enemy a chance to run for their lives. Such a nice guy!! Only on TV !!!!

Re: WOW!

marie on 7/31/03 at 10:32 (125780)

Wow John!! Thanks for sharing this story!!!