Iraq War Swells Al Qaeda's Ranks, Report SaysPosted by Sharon W on 10/15/03 at 10:23 (134027)
According to the International Institute for Strategic Studies annual report released today, the war in Iraq has led to a swelling of Al Queda's ranks and 'has probably inflamed radical passions among Muslims and thus increased al Qaeda's recruiting power and morale and, at least marginally, its operating capability,'.
The report did say that 'war in Iraq has denied al Qaeda a potential supplier of weapons of mass destruction and discouraged state sponsors of terrorism from continuing to support it'.
Here's the Reuters' article:
Sounds like there is indeed growth in the terrorism over there...
Re: Iraq War Swells Al Qaeda's Ranks, Report SaysEd Davis, DPM on 10/15/03 at 15:17 (134056)
It is an opinion piece that may have an unstated agenda. It supports the claim that our actions in fighting terror and terrorist nations somehow incite more terror. I don't think that we can make Hamas any meaner or drive them closer to Al Queda by our actions --- they are in the same camp. If anything, treading lightly on Hamas and Hizbollah is a bigger problem. Lebanon barely exists as a nation and is a terrorist training camp run by Hizbollah with the support of Syria. The French and some Euros had, for years, refused to even classify Hizbollah and Hamas as terrorist groups.
Re: Iraq War Swells Al Qaeda's Ranks, Report SaysSharon W on 10/15/03 at 17:36 (134068)
For what it's worth, I do agree with you that the link perpetually made between Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, etc. and the Palestinian/Israeli issue is bogus. It just does not make sense. They only have in common the fact that they are all nations composed of primarily Islamic peoples (except for Israel). It's like onions and pears -- both are produce, but not the same kind...
But it does not matter what I think, or how I feel about it.
It matters that in sympathy with Hamas and Hizbollah and Al Queda and the Palestinians themselves -- and as a result of propaganda from the Islamic nations and the French and others -- most of the world has agreed to CREATE a connection (by consensus) where no reasonable and obvious connection exists.
Re: Iraq War Swells Al Qaeda's Ranks, Report Saysmarie on 10/15/03 at 20:09 (134082)
I would like to read the actual report by the International Institute of Strategic Studies.
I found their home link here: http://www.iiss.org/ but have not found the actual report. If you find it please post a link.
Re: Iraq War Swells Al Qaeda's Ranks, Report SaysRick R on 10/16/03 at 09:32 (134116)
It's easy for us to under estimate the strength of the religious link between these countries. We have our separation of church and state so ingrained in us we don't have a full appreciation for how different it is in other parts of the world, or for that matter how different it was on this continent for the better part of 200 years.
I don't mean this as an indictment, just the best analogy I can think of, but examine the relationship between religion and government in the western world durring the middle ages. Sure we had England, France, Italy, Spain, ..... However, the real power was the Roman church. It certainly dictated conflicts outside of the family.
We seem to be afraid of implying that this is a conflict of ideologies and I think for good reason. I have several employees from Islamic countries that are wonderful people. I had trouble with a fundamentalist 'Christian' that took 911 as his calling to convert them in the work place. In the Chicago area we had people going to Mosques and vandalizing. One nut job blew up some families van, all sorts of horrendous behavior.
Yet to fully understand the situation to know what policies we should support or resist we do need to face up to the religious component. As criminal and wrong as some of those actions were, I know there have been confirmed ties between those very victims and terrorist organizations.
Perhaps we have been groping for other relationships and embarrassing ourselves with flimsy evidence.
Re: Iraq War Swells Al Qaeda's Ranks, Report SaysSharon W on 10/16/03 at 13:31 (134136)
Re: Iraq War Swells Al Qaeda's Ranks, Report SaysRick R on 10/16/03 at 14:44 (134146)
How about if you could prove state funding of Al Qaeda by Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, whomever, you'd have the kind of link that could tie the events of 911 to much of the action we have been taking. We have not presented a case that has convinced many of our own people let alone the rest of the world, not to imply world opinion need dictate our defense. Nor do I intend to imply we are doing the wrong thing.
I also believe many opponents of our policy clamoring for more justification are opposing out of convenience rather than convictions. Take those profiting from arms sales to Saddam. They (France Germany Russia)get to make the money knowing we'll clean up the mess before it threatens their shores, destroying the goods they sold. They then don't carry the responsibility or any associated stigma and potentially remain the supplier of choice to replace what we blew up. Very cool strategy.
Internally I believe some in vocal opposition to our policy are closet supporters. It's easy for the Republicans to claim they would have handled things better during the Clinton years, the Cole, Somalia etc. even if they know in their hearts they wouldn't have met a critical mass until after 911. It's also easy for opponents of current policy to criticize pointing to the inevitable negative consequences to just about any action we are taking, claiming that they would have done better. I believe some of them are in general glad we are doing what we are doing, but their outward 'opposition' is calculated for personal gain.
Just one nuts take on things.
Re: Iraq War Swells Al Qaeda's Ranks, Report SaysSharon W on 10/16/03 at 18:20 (134179)
Even if we could prove state funding of Al Qaeda by Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, whomever, we'd have the majority of the Islamic world simply refusing to believe that it wasn't faked somehow, or an elaborate conspairacy of lies. They will believe what they want to believe, like those people who 'know' that the earth is flat and cannot be persuaded otherwise.
They also want to 'have it both ways'. They bitterly complain that the US is at fault for the Palestinian problem because we haven't solved it diplomatically (we have tried) -- and yet at the same time they support suicide bombers and other actions by terrorist groups that are doing their best to make sure that every time a cease fire is agreed upon so that peace talks can resume, will FAIL.
Re: More news today and the report was sited again.marie on 10/16/03 at 19:22 (134188)
I don't know if you heard but the attack in Iraq today on our soldiers is believed to have been organized by al-Quaeda. There was more in the news about the IInternational Institute of Strategic Planning's report that the article you posted sites its information from. The news reported that there is indeed a flow of al-Qaeda terrorists into Iran, Syria and Turkey. There is strong evidence that they are planning more attacks on our troops in Iraq. They are a much easier target. I am still searching for the report that the news media is siting.