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GREAT SUCESS WITH WATER PT FOR PF

Posted by JEANNIE B on 9/28/04 at 09:31 (160629)

JUST WANTED TO THROW THIS OUT TO ALL YOU SUFFERING FROM PF. MY DR. SUGGESTED I WEAR OVER THE COUNTER HEEL SUPPORTS, TO CORRECT A PROBLEM FROM A FRACTURE TO MY LEFT FOOT, UNTIL I COULD GET MY ORTHONICS MADE, WITHIN A FEW HOURS I DEVELOPED SUCH SEVERE PAIN IN BOTH ARCHES THAT NEVER WENT AWAY. THAT WAS OVER A YEAR AGO. WENT THE GAMIT. THEY TELL ME THAT THE SUPPORTS CAN'T CAUSE THAT, I SAY 'BULL'. ANYWAY, PT, PAIN MEDS, ICE, STRETCHING, JUST PLAY CRYING, WHINNING, SOME RELIEF FROM ACID BATH, COULD NOT WEAR ANY KIND OF SHOE WITH AN ARCH, FLAT SANDLE OR BARE FOOTED SEEMED THE LEAST PAINFUL. STARTED WATER PT FOR THE FRACTURE AND TORN LIGAMENTS AND LOW AND BEHOLD WHILE IT HAS NOT DONE MUCH FOR THAT PROBLEM, AFTER THE FIRST TREATMENT THE PAIN IN THE ARCH WAS SOOOO MUCH IMPORVED I THOUGH IT WAS A COINCIDENCE BUT IT HAS CONTINUED TO GET BETTER UNTIL I WOULD SAY IT IS 90% GONE AND I NO LONGER WALK LIKE A DUCK. OF COURSE NOW I AM AWARE OF ALL THE OTHER PAIN BUT I HAVE TO TELL YOU I CAN DEAL WITH THAT (I THINK). NOW THE DR. SAY I HAVE ANOTHER CHIPPED BONE AND TT SO NEED 2 SURGERIES AND I'M THINKING 'I THOUGHT ABOUT IT AND I SAY 'NO'!!!! AT LEAST AT THIS POINT NO. HOPE THIS HELPS SOMEONE.

Re: GREAT SUCESS WITH WATER PT FOR PF

Dorothy on 9/28/04 at 10:26 (160633)

Please - No 'all-caps'. Please. It is considered to be the electronic form of yelling and is primarily used to indicate anger, a sort of electronic screaming, and it is rude. That doesn't seem to be the message of your post which seemed to be intended to be helpful. In addition, many people find all caps to be just plain difficult to read. For these reasons and more, please - no all-caps. In the past, there have been one or two instances where people wrote in all caps and I commented to them about it and they got angry at me for doing so. I hope that you receive these comments in the spirit in which they are sent: friendly request and, possibly, informative. If my comments make you angry, that is not their intention, but so be it.

Re: GREAT SUCESS WITH WATER PT FOR PF

Pauline on 9/28/04 at 10:54 (160635)

Jeannie,
Congratulation on your 'NO' response to another immediate surgery. I think the fact that you are taking the time to think about your current condition, seeking treatment for it and taking your time and not jumping into another surgery right now is taking a positive approach to your problem. I'm not a doctor, however, jumping into snowballing surgeries have cause many posters problems. Taking time to think before you act I think will pay off big time.

Re: GREAT SUCESS WITH WATER PT FOR PF

JEANNIE B on 9/28/04 at 12:01 (160640)

I AM NOT CONCERNED WITH BEING POLITICALY ELECTORNICALY CORRECT. I DO IT BECAUSE I DO NOT SEE WELL AND I CAN READ IT MUCH BETTER AND BELIEVE PEOPLE WITH SITE PROBLEMS CAN ALSO. IT WAS POSTED TO HELP PEOPLE AND I NOTICED YOU DID NOT COMMENT ON THAT PART ONLY ON THE CAPS, SO THE CONTENT WAS OF NO IMPORTANCE TO YOU. NO OFFENCE TAKEN AND I'M SURE NONE WILL BE TAKEN BY YOU EITHER.

Re: Great Success With Water PT For PF

april l on 9/28/04 at 13:50 (160642)

I think using all caps makes it harder to see. I agree with Dorothy.

Re: GREAT SUCESS WITH WATER PT FOR PF

Shell D. on 9/28/04 at 15:18 (160645)

Jeannie B.
All caps are fine for me! That's NOT the issue here. The issue is that you've found something that worked for you and I'm very happy for you!
I think if more people had the success you've had, the caps would be the least of their worries too.

Re: Great Success With Water PT For PF

Pauline on 9/28/04 at 15:51 (160646)

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but no one sees through Jeannie's eyes accept Jeannie. It may be more difficult for some to read all caps, but unless you are experiencing Jeannies eye problem/problems your post sounds a bit insensitive. I don't think her 'view' of things or her special need to use ALL CAPS that provides her with visual comfort should be voted on by the rest of us.

She explained her situation. Is there anyone here not willing to accommodate her?

Re: GREAT SUCESS WITH WATER PT FOR PF

JEANNIE B on 9/28/04 at 16:08 (160647)

MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY.

Re: GREAT SUCESS WITH WATER PT FOR PF

JEANNIE B on 9/28/04 at 16:14 (160648)

IT IS BECAUSE OF ALL THE INFO THAT I HAVE FOUND ON THIS SITE THAT HAS ALLOWED ME TO MAKE BETTER CHOICES, JUST KNOWING THAT OTHERS ARE HAVING THE SAME PROBLEMS AND THAT SURGERY ISN'T THE CURE ALL FOR EVERYTHING HELPS ALOT. THANKS.

Re: GREAT SUCESS WITH WATER PT FOR PF

Dorothy on 9/28/04 at 16:16 (160649)

Jeannie B. -
How are you able to read all the posts here that are not in all-caps?

Re: GREAT SUCESS WITH WATER PT FOR PF

Dorothy on 9/28/04 at 16:17 (160650)

Jeannie B -

I will not engage in a dispute over this with you, but I will correct two of your erroneous statements, one of which you incorrectly attributed to me and I will refute it.

You wrote: 'IT WAS POSTED TO HELP PEOPLE AND I NOTICED YOU DID NOT COMMENT ON THAT PART ONLY ON THE CAPS, SO THE CONTENT WAS OF NO IMPORTANCE TO YOU.' (your words, your caps)

In fact, what I ACTUALLY wrote to you was:
'That doesn't seem to be the message (referring to anger or yelling) of your post which seemed to be intended to be helpful. In addition, many people find all caps to be just plain difficult to read.' Note: '…your post which seemed to be intended to be helpful.'

I did note that your intention was to help people. Furthermore, the content of your post was of importance to me and probably moreso to others. What I was trying to get you to understand was that all-caps gets in the way of whatever content you want to convey.

Many people (some here; many elsewhere) have written about all-caps in electronic communication. It MEANS something, Jeannie B. Many people, some here, have written about its being difficult to read. One of the respected posters here, Julie, wrote once of its being difficult for her to read. She has said she is in her 70s; she is a published author and she is helping people here on a daily basis. So do not take my word on this. Julie has written the same. Do not take just my or Julie's comments; many other writers, readers, and informed people say the same. It is established good form.

All-caps is MORE difficult to read, not less. It may be easier for YOU to read, but you are POSTING it in public for OTHERS to read. It's not a matter of being 'politically or electronically correct', as you wrote; it is a matter of courtesy and ease of reading. If your intent is to write for yourself in a way that is easy for you to read, and you say all-caps is easier for you to read, then you have chosen the way for you to read your own material. If you want others to be able - and interested - in reading what you post, as you say you do because you are trying to be helpful, then you might consider your style, as opposed to some stubborn clinging to a false belief. All-caps has nothing to do with 'political or electronic correctness', whatever that is, no more than courtesy and other standards of behavior have to do with 'correctness'. You can do whatever you want; it's of no consequence to me, and it goes without saying that you can write in whatever style or language or form you want here or anywhere else. These things are not just a matter of my opinion. They are standards of practice and standards of usage. You can take my suggestions and do whatever you want, but your anger directed at me for giving you information is just as misplaced as it would have been for me to have been angry at you for giving whatever foot information you were giving to people here. In life, there is form and there is substance, and both matter. If you are at all sensitive to your environment, you will notice that other posters here do not use all-caps. It may be because they want to communicate, not 'shout.' If I came here and posted in Sanskrit, someone might rightly post to me: we post in English so we can all read and understand. Should I get mad and say 'well, Sanskrit is MY language and I am writing something that is meant to help others so YOU will just have to adjust to my Sanskrit!'??

Just for the record, you can adjust the size of the print you use – i.e. make it LARGER – without resorting to all-caps which has a very particular use and meaning online.

Now, please - with my blessings - go to your Caps Lock and enjoy yourself. I was trying to help someone who does not want to be helped. It happens and it's your choice. Sorry for thinking I might be helping where it was possible that the poster did not know about generally accepted practice with all-caps. Just kindly, do not yell at me again. I will not be reading your posts of that sort. I don't consider stubborness, unwillingness to learn and grow and change, any virtue. Nor do I consider arguing in defense of the indefensible anything of interest. There are some others here who enjoy arguing and conflict. I like honest and straightforward and intelligent debate, but not arguing over nonsense. All I wanted to do was tell you something that I thought you might possibly not know. You know it. You don't care. That is your privilege. Thank you for your response. You're welcome for my effort. We each know how the other feels on the subject of all-caps and we can, one hopes, leave it.

Re: Great Success With Water PT For PF

Dorothy on 9/28/04 at 16:24 (160651)

Pauline -

Surely there are some medical studies or doctors that need your attention more than my post to someone else about all-caps, a matter of procedure, practice, and protocol, not of sensitivity. Are you offering lectures on sensitivity? Will your sentiments extend to the Podiatry profession?

If logic were ever to enter in, it would seem illogical that Jeannie B. says it is a vision problem that causes her to prefer all-caps, when all of the posts here that she reads are not in all-caps; it is only the posts that SHE writes for OTHERS to read that are in all-caps. It would seem that HER vision problem and remedy applies to others - whether they need it or not. So, to be fully sensitive: we must all write in all-caps.
Begin NOW.

Re: Great Success With Water PT For PF

Pauline on 9/28/04 at 16:58 (160653)

Either you can accept her needs or you can't. May you alway be blessed with good 'vision'.

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april l on 9/28/04 at 20:58 (160663)

My post sounds insensitive? LOL. I have glaucoma and being that Jeannie's reason for posting in all caps is to make it easier to read, I'm simply letting her know that for me it is more difficult to read. No worries though because I'm just one person here and if it really is so helpful to the few who are having trouble reading normal text than I'm happy for them. I personally don't like seeing posts written in all caps. I think it's a complete disregard for the rules of online communication. It is considered yelling and when I read someone yelling I do not hear their message.

Re: Great Success With Water PT For PF

john h on 9/29/04 at 10:33 (160685)

I personally find it much easier as do most people to read post that are not all CAPS. Like most of you many years ago I was advised very promptly that my post of all CAPS was screaming and not generally accepted on the internet as good etiquett.

If Jeannie has a vision problem and reading is easier for her with all CAPS that is surely no big deal to me and she needs to do what works best for her eyesight. She might consider increasing the size of her font although I do not think you can do it on this site. My wife has had macular degeneration for many years and for a while I was always correcting her about using all CAPS. She made it clear to me she had trouble reading smaller print. I showed her how to increase her font size so she now just uses large fonts when possible..I bought a 20' flatscreen monitor to help her with her print and now wish I had bought the 23' as they have come down in price so much. Apple now has a 30' monitor. Now that is a monitor.

Re: An interesting observation

Pauline on 9/29/04 at 15:03 (160693)

Interestingly enough two posts were made in ALL CAPS the day Jeannie made her post. One poster was female Jeannie and the other was male Paul
Jeannie was given instructions, but no one bothered about Pauls. I guess the moral Jeannie is sign on as a male, you'll go unnoticed :*)

NUMB FOOT AND TOES BOTH FEET view thread
Posted by Paul W on 9/28/04 at 20:27

i HAVE RECENTLY NOTICED NUMBNESS IN THE TOP OF MY TOES ON BOTH FEET, iVE ALWAYS HAD NUMBNESS IN MY LEFT FOOT GOING BACK TO 1997 WHEN SPINAL SURGERY WAS PERFORMED, DURA WAS CUT AND SPINAL FLUID LEAKED OUT, THEN LATER WAS DIAGNOSED WITH RSD, BY ONE OF THE LEADING SPECIALISTS IN TAMPA , SINCE 97 I HAVE UNDERGONE 5 MORE SPINAL SURGERY THE LAST BEING A SPINAL FUSION WITH AN ILLIAC GRAFT, AND 7 ABDOMINAL SURGERIES, INCISIONAL HERNIA(FLORIDA DOCTORS NOT THE BEST), MY PROBLEM AND CONCERNS ARE THAT NOW THE RIGHT FOOT AND TOES HAVE BECOME NUMB, ALMOST LIKE A FEELING OF STANDING IN THE SNOW AS A LITTLE CHILD AND YOUR FEET BECOME SO COLD THEY BECOME NUMB, THIS IS OF QUITE CONCERN TO ME BEING AT TIMES WITH THIS NUMBNESS I CAN HARDLY WALK, ANY INSIGHT WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED, SINCERELY PAUL L W
Posted to Category: Ask the Foot Doctors

Re: An interesting observation

Ed Davis, DPM on 9/29/04 at 22:47 (160719)

PAULINE:
YOU MAY BE TOO SENSITIVE ABOUT THAT, I THINK IT WAS JUST A COINCIDENCE.
ED

Re: An interesting observation

JEANNIE B on 9/29/04 at 22:51 (160720)

I DON'T KNOW WHETHER TO LAUGH OR CRY. TO THINK THE SHARING OF SOMETHING I THOUGHT MIGHT BENEFIT SOMEONE ELSE WOULD TURN INTO SUCH A COMENTARY. BUT!!!I STILL LIVE IN AMERICA AND I CAN TYPE ANY WAY I WANT TO. BIG OR LITTLE LETTERS AND NO ON CAN STOP ME. IT IS MY RIGHT. IT IS ALSO YOUR RIGHT NOT TO READ OR IN THE CASE OF SOME PEOPLE LISTEN. WHEN YOU LISTEN TO A WRITTEN MESSAGE IS IT IN UPPER OR LOWER CASE?

Re: An interesting observation

Ed Davis, DPM on 9/29/04 at 22:59 (160721)

By the way, Ich glaube manchmal dem bequemeren Witing auf Deutsch. Just said, that am sometimes more comfortable writing in German.

Just kidding. Sorry to be a smart aleck but I have to agree with the idea that we are posting here for the benefit of others and 'netiquet' is there to help us do so. One can use magnifying devices and even control the size of print in Windows for one's own needs so I do have to agree with the request that since we are on a public forum we try to place the needs of the readers first. This is reasonable especially when one comes looking for help.
Ed

Re: An interesting observation

Ed Davis, DPM on 9/29/04 at 23:05 (160722)

Go to the windows desktop and click on 'my computer.' Then click on 'control panel.' That will bring up a large screen with a lot of icons -- then click on 'fonts.' That will offer the choice of different type styles including bold types which may be easier to read.
Ed

Re: An interesting observation

april l on 9/29/04 at 23:10 (160723)

True, you can yell all you want. It's America.

Re: An interesting observation

Ed Davis, DPM on 9/29/04 at 23:15 (160724)

Another option:

Go to the 'Start' menu. Click on 'all programs.' Click on 'Accessories.'
Then click on 'Accessibility.' Then click on 'Magnifier.' That is the built in magnifier that has been around for several versions of windows and works very well. It also links to the Microsoft site that has other magnification options in it.
Ed

Re: An interesting observation

Ed Davis, DPM on 9/29/04 at 23:46 (160728)

Jeannie:
Your posts are appreciated. The information about netiquette is really for your own benefit because if you visit a number of boards, forums and sites and want to have as many readers as possible, then you will get a better response and more readership if you follow certain customary guidelines. It is like accepting any custom in a particular culture. If one goes to say, a foreign land, one tries to accept and use the ways of the people in that land out of courtesy to them, they are likely to appreciate you more.
Ed

Re: GREAT SUCESS WITH WATER PT FOR PF

Ed Davis, DPM on 9/29/04 at 23:59 (160729)

Jeannie:

We can understand and appreciate your need for magnification but all that you need to do is to go to the 'Start' menu on Windows, click on 'All programs.' Then click on 'Accessories.' Click on 'Accessibility.' finally click on 'Magnifier' and you will find an excellent magnification device on most versions of windows.

Dorothy is simply talking about 'netiquette' which is a form of custom and courtesy with which we communicate with on the net. If you use netiquette, you will gain the advantage of more readers at Boards, Forums and Sites. It is a bit like going to a foreign country and adopting to the customs of people in the country you visit -- they will appreciate you more for it and treat you with more respect and kindness because you are showing them respect.
Ed

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Pauline on 9/30/04 at 08:46 (160739)

I wonder how many people thought in this instance we were being showed any disrespect? The words were not angry words only printed in CAPS. New poster makes a mistake, period.

It's not like it didn't happen on this site before and it will surely happen again. How much explaination is really necessary next time it happens? Maybe a simple 'Did you know typing in all CAPS means your yelling?' would be enough.

Re: GREAT SUCESS WITH WATER PT FOR PF

Ed Davis. DPM on 9/30/04 at 09:39 (160746)

Pauline:
The poster was being told not to use caps but not really being explained why not to. This is a learning experience for all including the poster. Educating the poster about netiquette will make it easier for her when going to other sites as she will recieve a better response.
Ed

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Jean on 9/30/04 at 09:58 (160754)

After reading all the post, I just wanted to share this about netiquette. and also to add how helpful this site has been for my pf problems.

The Core Rules of Netiquette are excerpted from the book Netiquette by Virginia Shea.

http://www.albion.com/netiquette/corerules.html

Rule 1: Remember the Human
Rule 2: Adhere to the same standards of behavior online that you follow in real life
Rule 3: Know where you are in cyberspace
Rule 4: Respect other people's time and bandwidth
Rule 5: Make yourself look good online
Rule 6: Share expert knowledge
Rule 7: Help keep flame wars under control
Rule 8: Respect other people's privacy
Rule 9: Don't abuse your power
Rule 10: Be forgiving of other people's mistakes

Re: An interesting observation

john h on 9/30/04 at 10:40 (160760)

Sure glad you guys are after Jeannie and her CAPS. It takes the heat off of my spelling. I have not looked Pauline but I bet most of the critics of Jeannie and her CAPS have been female. Since females probably out number males on this board significantly the odds are that way. As for me it really does not cross my mind that a poster is male or feamale and that is a fact. If I were going to be a chauvinist critic I would more than likely critisize the guys more than the girls because my mama raised me that way.

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Shell D. on 9/30/04 at 14:20 (160775)

TO JEAN:

GOOD GRIEF! I WAS GONE A COUPLE OF DAYS FROM THE BOARD AND THOUGHT I'D CHECK BACK IN AND I SEE THE CAPS ISSUE IS STILL GOING STRONG!!!!!!

(AND BY THE WAY, I'M NOT YELLING AT THIS MOMENT, BUT I'D LIKE TO BECAUSE MY FEET HURT)

BUT NO ONE SEEMS TO REMEMBER THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE MESSAGE BOARD. SINCE WHEN ARE WE CRITICAL OF ANOTHER'S WAYS OF TYPING?

IN THE WORDS OF RODNEY KING;
'CAN'T WE JUST ALL GET ALONG?'

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SUSAN S on 9/30/04 at 14:25 (160776)

IF I COULD GET RID OF MY PF, I WOULD TYPE IN ALL CAPS FOREVER. ANYWAY, I'D MUCH RATHER READ A FRIENDLY POST IN ALL CAPS THAN A DIATRIBE IN MIXED CASE.

Re: GREAT SUCESS WITH WATER PT FOR PF

Ed Davis,DPM on 9/30/04 at 23:32 (160804)

Shell:
I think that we are getting along. We are just providing constructive criticism/advice. Learning netiquette is a good thing because wherever one goes on the web, that person can communicate more effectively. That is meant for the benefit of the poster here, not to harm them. As 'newbies' many people are, in a way, back in school for a short time learning a new skill; a new way to communicate. 'Newbies' certainly can keep an open mind to that.
Regards,
Ed

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Linda V on 10/01/04 at 08:01 (160816)

..where am I? I thought I was on a message board for social support....'Sherman, hit the way-back machine!'....lol..just dated myself. Who remembers that quote?

Re: GREAT SUCESS WITH WATER PT FOR PF

Ed Davis, DPM on 10/01/04 at 14:51 (160840)

Linda:

Susan, Dorothy, I and others have simply tried to educate about the use of good etiquette on the net for everyones benefit, especially the benefit of the poster who did not understand that there are alternatives to using all caps. I don't see why you are not viewing that as being supportive. The poster was unaware of the nature of most forums, possibly new to the net. There are many forums where that poster may run into a more abrupt response, where 'regulars' are less tolerant of newbies. It is only to the poster's advantage to accept the freindly advice that several here have tried to offer. Being supportive of someone is more than just paying compliments but trying to teach things of value. I think that the posters who were discussing and advising on the use of netiquette benefitted our new poster if she understands that that teaching will make her a more effective online communicator.
Ed

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Dr. Z on 10/01/04 at 15:09 (160843)

Pauline a better way to help Jeannine would be to explain how to change her fonts or make the specific changes that Dr.ED pointed . I never knew you make these changes.

Re: GREAT SUCESS WITH WATER PT FOR PF

april l on 10/01/04 at 16:05 (160847)

Yes Dr. Ed, you are right. However the original poster has responded by saying that she doesn't care and that she will continue to post in all caps because it is her right. I guess everyone has a right to be rude if they choose. I think it's pointless at this point to try to get through to someone who doesn't care. Dorothy tried in a very nice manner but it didn't work.

Re: GREAT SUCESS WITH WATER PT FOR PF

Pauline on 10/01/04 at 16:45 (160851)

An even better way is to not embarrass Jeannie anymore and drop the subject.

How long is a person with special needs suppose to hear about her little mistake? How long is she to be constantly reminded?

Maybe its time to go back and add up all the other posters, through the years, who posted in caps and rehash their mistake. Post and repost corrective remarks, who likes or dislikes CAP text, who agrees with who, judge whether they could or should be able to read or not etc. etc.

What is it about Jeannie and her CAPS that is so interesting that the subject just can't seem to die off?

If people have a burning desire to pick on someone, what the heck discuss me for a while and give Jeannie a break. I personally think she got the message, the help, and enough reminders for a life time.

All I can say to Jeannie is I'm sorry that your original post got so much attention. The way I look at it is that you must be one heck of a Diva.

Keep smiling the printed words soon run off the page.

Re: for Ed, " Sherman, set the way-back machine.."

Linda V on 10/01/04 at 17:18 (160853)

Ed,
I realize the good intent of all those trying to point out the no-no of all caps to a maybe newbie internet writer. However, I was trying to lighten up and change the subject a bit, since I figure the original 'offender' had been beat to death with advice, and either got it..or didn't. So...do you remember the quotation? Or are you one of those docs who I have to admit to the fact that I have shoes older than they are. Smile, Ed...

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Susan S on 10/01/04 at 17:43 (160854)

I don't remember it, so I must be a spring chicken!