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A Poll

Posted by Dorothy on 3/02/05 at 14:13 (170290)

Please - a vote:

I would like to vote Vince off the island. I suggest we take up a collection to send him to wherever Martha Stewart will have full control of him. I suggest we take a collection to send Mrs. Vince anywhere Vince is not. Poor lady. Although, one can assume that she married him voluntarily. I haven't followed Vince's story so I don't know his foot problem history, but it is easy to speculate that having one's feet stomped on by the angry mob would cause one's feet to hurt eventually. In that case, one might think about modifying one's behavior in order to reduce the foot-stomping reaction.

Dr. Ed will be prohibited from voting since he finds Vince's humor merely sarcasm of some benign, acceptable East Coast variety. Perhaps if we were to tell Vince that Dr. Ed and his wife have a house full of Martha Stewart products...???

Any other voters??

p.s. Note to Dr. Ed: THIS, sir, IS what sarcasm looks like. You, as a doctor, should learn to recognize the difference between sarcasm and vitriolic bile. They are different. In seriousness, I do not want to vote Vince or anyone off this or any other island (and I have never seen the television program from which the expression is derived). However, I would like to see Vince stop the nonsense as well as the Fed Up character stop the nonsense. MODERATORS: See Vince's and Fed Up's posts and post sarcastic rejoinders pronto!!!

Re: A Poll

Elyse B on 3/02/05 at 14:23 (170291)

You have got to be kidding Dorothy. You of all people are going to vote Vince off the island? What exactly did Vince do that you do not approv of? He gave his opinion about Martha Stewart and he does not like her, so what. Who are you to judge his opinions?

It is you Dorothy who has hijacked this board and you want to tell someone they cannot post? I don't think so. I vote for Vince to be to be TRIBAL HEAD. Go Vince, you have my vote.

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Susan on 3/02/05 at 14:29 (170294)

Interesting complaint from someone who makes veiled threats about stuffed animals and long needles.... and voodoo or is it v--d-- or something like that. And I don't imagine many will agree, but I'm tired of reading about bile and spewing saliva myself.

Re: A Poll

Dorothy on 3/02/05 at 14:33 (170296)

You have a burr in your saddle for me, Elyse B, and it is a mystery to me. I have 'spoken' to you exactly twice that I am aware of on this board and your posts to me have been consistently nasty.

I will ask you to support your statement: 'It is you Dorothy who has hijacked this board and you want to tell someone they cannot post?'

How and when precisely - or even generally - have I 'hijacked this board'?

I await your lovely, gracious response - or in lieu of that, your usual style.

Re: A Poll

Elyse B on 3/02/05 at 14:41 (170297)

You just told Scott to get rid of Vince.

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Dorothy on 3/02/05 at 15:56 (170305)

Elyse B - If you had read the post, you would see that I was speaking sarcastically. I have none of the following here: power, authority, influence. I was not addressing scott: I was addressing the general poster-ship - and, again, sarcastically. Like all sarcastic or satiric writing, it does have a point and my point was that - in my opinion, Elyse B - Vince's posts, and Fed Up's posts, are very aggressive and angry and counterproductive to anything that I (this is my opinion again here, Elyse B), find informative, healing, comforting, funny, interesting, witty, intelligent,educational, enlightening, etc etc....i.e. productive.
Your energy to pounce on any post that I make here must mean that your feet are feeling better so congratulations for that.
I don't 'tell scott' anything. I asked the moderators - and this was intended to be funny, Elyse B - to look at the posts of Vince and FedUp and to provide sarcastic rejoinders. I did not tell anyone to get rid of anyone. If you mean my (sarcastic or satiric) 'poll' to posters about voting Vince 'off the island' - do I need to point out to you that this is not an island and there are no votes and I have no more authority or voice here than yours. It may have been ineffective sarcastic humor and you may not like it, but that's all it was - an attempt at sarcastic humor.

You have not explained that very nasty comment that you made to me when you said that I have hijacked this board and I look forward to your explanation. When you have calmed down from your excitment for pouncing on my post again, I hope you will explain what you meant.

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Julie on 3/02/05 at 16:29 (170308)

Dorothy, I would be relieved if Vince were either to change his way of speaking to us here, or else stop posting altogether. He often has good information, but I am Fed Up with what Ed calls his sarcastic humour and that you rather more accurately call his vitriolic bile and I call his venom. I am also Fed Up with Fed Up. I expressed my feelings about both s in posts last week, and for the record I'm doing so again. They've both repeatedly broken Scott's sole rule, and I'd be glad to see them change, or go.

So that's my contribution to your poll. If Elyse or anyone else wants to jump down my throat, they're welcome.
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vince on 3/02/05 at 16:43 (170316)

Oh MY Goddness- 2 hotties fighting over me. I must have died and gone to heaven. Ok.Dorothy, you win, I'll will try to reign in my wit and sarcasm and stick to the facts, only the facts. It's going to be as hard as eating only one potato chip or not telling a date that you are trying to conquer that you will respect her in the morning.

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Kathy G on 3/02/05 at 16:50 (170319)

Vince,

Now that was funny!:D

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Elyse B on 3/03/05 at 07:22 (170338)

TIRADE NO. 1

Message Number 146252
Re: Heelspurs View Thread
Posted by Dorothy on 3/06/04 at 16:16

Marie ~ No need to wait until Monday to hear from me. The others you challenged can speak for themselves. I think your posts reveal your motives: you are protecting Eddie Davis and your website and are willing to hurt others here to do so. I have directly addressed Eddie myself and the posts of those creeps who have attacked me. What is your reason for now joining the attack against me - while saying 'I love Dorothy' for some odd reason. Please, I ask you: love me a little less and be honest.
Do you really not get this, marie, or are you being facetious or are you being sarcastic or simply disingenuous - since much of what has been happening has some relationship to your website, or at least ostensibly it does. Some of the people you have aligned yourself with on your website bear this website and many of the people who frequent it - with the fascinating exception of you, of course - serious ill will. I wonder why none of the malicious, obscene, disruptive posters and posts do their dirty work on your website? What do you think? Is your website so extraordinary that no foul-minded creep has those impulses there? Do the alleged 'trolls' respect the wonder of your website too much? Or do the foul-minded creeps have some other agenda?
Who do you think is the main culprit here? The webmaster? Dr.Ed or the 'man of 1,000 signatures'? That creepiest of the creeps Peter R. whom you have actually said you 'like'? Interestingly, Dr. Z. said just recently that Peter R. IS here again! Why aren't the deranged over at your place? Or are they? Why are the proud 'owners' and promoters of your website at this website, and not there? I have looked at your site and there is none of the obscenity and moronic junk that gets deposited here. Is that because your site is better than this one? What do you think, marie? Or is it to sully and disrupt this website so that people want to leave it for the 'clean,calm, peaceful, harmonious, lovely – oh, yes, and not to forget: respectful' one that you own? If you really are not aware of what has been happening, that is even more disturbing, since a fair amount of it is done, allegedly, in support and promotion of your website - although it is clear that the real agenda is the disruption or destruction of this one. Why? What difference does it make to the 'members' of your website that this website exists, happy and intact? These people who are doing this clearly have no understanding of why ordinary people use this website. Is the purpose of the websites to display your artwork? To serve as a place for Eddie Davis to dominate in all spheres? You have said it is no contest - but your podiatrist ( and please, can't you keep him at home!) has made it a contest. What if posters here came to your website and tried to destroy it and hurt people? I think the people who want to live at your website should do so and stop coming to heelspurs and throwing rotten eggs. If their neighborhood is so great, why do they keep leaving it? Through all of the, albeit too short, time that Dr. Ed and his followers and minions were at your website and not at this one, peace and calm reigned here. Not related to my 'return' as you so insidiously implied, but to his – which followed shortly after mine and also accompanied his invitations to me to e-mail him and/or to go to your/his website. You say you're a stat person which you also say is unusual for an artist (?), well, do a graph: the more that he increased his posting here, the more that trouble increased. Do the same graph when he was here before. And then even earlier, when I had never heard of this place or of you or of him.
The correlative graph is for the increase in obscene and mean posts, many of them directed at my name, that also accompany the increase in Dr. Ed's postings here. During the first of the troubles last year, when I was a new visitor here and politics were discussed, I didn't think Eddie was as much to blame as others were claiming. Since then, however, I recognize that he is a very disruptive force, for a variety of observable and some speculative reasons. He insinuates himself into everything; he skews things; he manipulates and ever so subtly distorts – and then he pulls the saintly innocence routine.

You have implied – without naming – that trouble began when those who were away 'returned'. Since, to my knowledge, I am the only one who was away and returned, you must be referring to me, although why you didn't just direct this at 'Dorothy', I don't know. There has been no inhibition of posts directed at that name. Notice to you and to everyone: do a search here under 'Dorothy' and tell me what you see that has provoked the kind of invective against me that has occurred. Notice the kinds of posts that have been directed at me for quite a while. What I did was decline Dr. ed's invitation to e-mail him. What has happened ever since his posts increased here along with his notes directed at me is a concomitant increase in the wicked posts to me – and for what exactly, Marie? To what end? I post pretty banal information about shoes, insoles, where to buy them – whatever I can share that might be useful; if it isn't, they can ignore it. I rarely talk about ME unless something that I have tried with regard to foot or back trouble might possibly be useful to someone else. I have to accept that Eddie Davis is a podiatrist, but I will continue to ask how a podiatrist with patients, a private practice, family and all other activities that he reports he has, has the time to post with the frequency that he does here and at your website? This predated his reported 'new computer' and by the way, the 'troubles' associated with him predated my ever even knowing about the existence of this website.
Eddie Davis, in my opinion, is a very weird duck and the things that happen around him are very weird. When he posts here, these creepy posts increase, even if not under his name. There is something bizarrely coincidental about that. It was true during the 'troubles' before and it is true again in this recent debacle. And now he is implying that some of his PATIENTS are responsible! If my speculations sound bizarre to you, they do to me, as well and they have developed because I – as a human being who has a need to have things make sense – have been unable to explain the really horrid things that have been said to me and about me here – and they always accompany Eddie Davis' presence here.

As to the pornographic x-rays that were posted indirectly to me in the midst of increasing hostility to me, I have also been baffled and have recently wondered: who has access to a series of unrelated x-rays? Medical professionals, that's who. You and Eddie like to characterize this as 'carrying a grudge', but what it is, like much of the other garbage that has accompanied him to my name, is a puzzle to me – something that makes no sane sense. And I like for things to make sense. I speculate that Eddie has thinly disguised resentment for Judy, Pauline, perhaps Julie, and me because we see through him.

As to your posts to Suzanne and Julie about e-mails and all of that – that is pretty low. What in the world are you thinking? I think this does point out the risks that are inherent to these private discussions with you or Eddie Davis, however. I think it also points out that your motives may not be so innocent. The fact that you want to disparage others' who hold opinions of him – and perhaps now of you, – by saying 'can't wait to hear from Pauline, Julie, Dorothy, Judy….' doesn't make your disparagement valid. I no longer understand why you and Eddie Davis post here at all; you have a website. It does not just deal with political issues. It deals with the very same issues as this website. For you to try to distance yourself from the active damage done here – in the name of your website - and not by me! – does not hold water. I congratulated you on your website and told you that I admired your skill at developing a website. That I preferred the format – that's all, just the format – of this website seemed to irritate you, but why my opinion one way or another would make any difference to you is beyond me. I'm just one poster with foot problems and occasionally some back problems. I don't come here just to 'yak' as you put it. I rarely just 'yak'. I don't talk about my dog or cats or house or children or recipes or whatever, with the exception of the occasional conversation with Suzanne about Kentucky. Do not twist my words! – I enjoy reading others' social posts about their interests and doings – but that is not why I visit here. I visit here because it has been a comfort-line for me and a source of useful information and things to try in hope of being a fully moving human being again. I wear Brooks shoes – thank goodness! – because I learned about them here. I do Julie's foot stretches because I learned about them here. I use other products and methods because I learned about them here. I have tried to give people specific, clear information in return about sources for products, studies I have read and so on, where a sale is occurring, etc. so that I am not just a ‘taker' but also a ‘giver', although I have little to give as far as helpful information.

You say your mother was diagnosed with schizophrenia in 1971 and you say that her illness was very disruptive to your family. I had a long, successful – if such can be used to describe such – career as a clinician. One field I know is mental health. Maybe that training does lead me to look at behavior and motives and issues more than some people, but that does not negate the fact that some personalities ('disordered' or not) cause disruption and havoc, while they then step back and see what they have wrought, while others are cleaning up the mess. I have not only been a clinician. I have also been and done many other things in life so a clinical perspective is not all that colors my view of people and their actions. You keep using the term 'cut and run'; I have not cut and run in the past, nor am I 'cutting and running' now. I am leaving, not 'cutting and running.' I am sick of the filthy words directed at my name – and some of it done in promotion of your website, but I do not think you had nothing to do with that directly – and I don't want to be exposed to it anymore. I am sick of statements being twisted and distorted and skewed. It makes me feel rotten to see that stuff. I want to feel better, not worse. It's pretty simple. That you call leaving 'cut and run' does not make it so. I have posted several more times AFTER saying I was leaving (guess that makes you right, Pauline!) because 1.) I did not want to let some misapprehensions stand that apparently involved my name and 2.) admittedly, it does take me a little time to wean myself away from the habit of visiting here. I am weaning myself away and will wean myself away, but it is a habit and takes time to change it. For you or anyone else to say or imply that I was the source, cause, genesis or in any other way responsible for any of this garbage is false and you know it. You are apparently blaming me, Eddie is trying to blame me and some select other posters and now, add to the list, some of his patients – PULEEEZE!! For you or your associates to try to leech from this website for the benefit of your own is wrong. That is for you and the webmaster here to hash out. I don't care – until it involves my name as it has done. I have said this before but I will say it again, 'Dorothy' is not my real name; I use it as a poster name here and is the name of someone I care about very much and who referred me to this site. I am glad that I have not used my real name, but I have posted consistently under the name of Dorothy and not under any other name ever, not once. Now, I THINK I may be done here. I hope my feet and everybody's feet get well.
Suzanne: bless your heart. Don't let turkeys get you down!

TIRADE NO. 2

GREAT SUCESS WITH WATER PT FOR PF
Posted by JEANNIE B on 9/28/04 at 09:31 View Thread

JUST WANTED TO THROW THIS OUT TO ALL YOU SUFFERING FROM PF. MY DR. SUGGESTED I WEAR OVER THE COUNTER HEEL SUPPORTS, TO CORRECT A PROBLEM FROM A FRACTURE TO MY LEFT FOOT, UNTIL I COULD GET MY ORTHONICS MADE, WITHIN A FEW HOURS I DEVELOPED SUCH SEVERE PAIN IN BOTH ARCHES THAT NEVER WENT AWAY. THAT WAS OVER A YEAR AGO. WENT THE GAMIT. THEY TELL ME THAT THE SUPPORTS CAN'T CAUSE THAT, I SAY 'BULL'. ANYWAY, PT, PAIN MEDS, ICE, STRETCHING, JUST PLAY CRYING, WHINNING, SOME RELIEF FROM ACID BATH, COULD NOT WEAR ANY KIND OF SHOE WITH AN ARCH, FLAT SANDLE OR BARE FOOTED SEEMED THE LEAST PAINFUL. STARTED WATER PT FOR THE FRACTURE AND TORN LIGAMENTS AND LOW AND BEHOLD WHILE IT HAS NOT DONE MUCH FOR THAT PROBLEM, AFTER THE FIRST TREATMENT THE PAIN IN THE ARCH WAS SOOOO MUCH IMPORVED I THOUGH IT WAS A COINCIDENCE BUT IT HAS CONTINUED TO GET BETTER UNTIL I WOULD SAY IT IS 90% GONE AND I NO LONGER WALK LIKE A DUCK. OF COURSE NOW I AM AWARE OF ALL THE OTHER PAIN BUT I HAVE TO TELL YOU I CAN DEAL WITH THAT (I THINK). NOW THE DR. SAY I HAVE ANOTHER CHIPPED BONE AND TT SO NEED 2 SURGERIES AND I'M THINKING 'I THOUGHT ABOUT IT AND I SAY 'NO'!!!! AT LEAST AT THIS POINT NO. HOPE THIS HELPS SOMEONE.
Posted in Category: Social / Support .

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Posted by Dorothy on 9/28/04 at 10:26 View Thread
Please - No 'all-caps'. Please. It is considered to be the electronic form of yelling and is primarily used to indicate anger, a sort of electronic screaming, and it is rude. That doesn't seem to be the message of your post which seemed to be intended to be helpful. In addition, many people find all caps to be just plain difficult to read. For these reasons and more, please - no all-caps. In the past, there have been one or two instances where people wrote in all caps and I commented to them about it and they got angry at me for doing so. I hope that you receive these comments in the spirit in which they are sent: friendly request and, possibly, informative. If my comments make you angry, that is not their intention, but so be it.

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Posted by JEANNIE B on 9/28/04 at 12:01 View Thread
I AM NOT CONCERNED WITH BEING POLITICALY ELECTORNICALY CORRECT. I DO IT BECAUSE I DO NOT SEE WELL AND I CAN READ IT MUCH BETTER AND BELIEVE PEOPLE WITH SITE PROBLEMS CAN ALSO. IT WAS POSTED TO HELP PEOPLE AND I NOTICED YOU DID NOT COMMENT ON THAT PART ONLY ON THE CAPS, SO THE CONTENT WAS OF NO IMPORTANCE TO YOU. NO OFFENCE TAKEN AND I'M SURE NONE WILL BE TAKEN BY YOU EITHER.

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Posted by april l on 9/28/04 at 13:50 View Thread
I think using all caps makes it harder to see. I agree with Dorothy.

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Posted by Pauline on 9/28/04 at 15:51 View Thread
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but no one sees through Jeannie's eyes accept Jeannie. It may be more difficult for some to read all caps, but unless you are experiencing Jeannies eye problem/problems your post sounds a bit insensitive. I don't think her 'view' of things or her special need to use ALL CAPS that provides her with visual comfort should be voted on by the rest of us.

She explained her situation. Is there anyone here not willing to accommodate her?

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Posted by Dorothy on 9/28/04 at 16:24 View Thread
Pauline -

Surely there are some medical studies or doctors that need your attention more than my post to someone else about all-caps, a matter of procedure, practice, and protocol, not of sensitivity. Are you offering lectures on sensitivity? Will your sentiments extend to the Podiatry profession?

If logic were ever to enter in, it would seem illogical that Jeannie B. says it is a vision problem that causes her to prefer all-caps, when all of the posts here that she reads are not in all-caps; it is only the posts that SHE writes for OTHERS to read that are in all-caps. It would seem that HER vision problem and remedy applies to others - whether they need it or not. So, to be fully sensitive: we must all write in all-caps.
Begin NOW.

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Posted by Pauline on 9/28/04 at 16:58 View Thread
Either you can accept her needs or you can't. May you alway be blessed with good 'vision'.

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Posted by april l on 9/28/04 at 20:58 View Thread
My post sounds insensitive? LOL. I have glaucoma and being that Jeannie's reason for posting in all caps is to make it easier to read, I'm simply letting her know that for me it is more difficult to read. No worries though because I'm just one person here and if it really is so helpful to the few who are having trouble reading normal text than I'm happy for them. I personally don't like seeing posts written in all caps. I think it's a complete disregard for the rules of online communication. It is considered yelling and when I read someone yelling I do not hear their message.

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Posted by Dorothy on 9/28/04 at 16:17 View Thread
Jeannie B -

I will not engage in a dispute over this with you, but I will correct two of your erroneous statements, one of which you incorrectly attributed to me and I will refute it.

You wrote: 'IT WAS POSTED TO HELP PEOPLE AND I NOTICED YOU DID NOT COMMENT ON THAT PART ONLY ON THE CAPS, SO THE CONTENT WAS OF NO IMPORTANCE TO YOU.' (your words, your caps)

In fact, what I ACTUALLY wrote to you was:
'That doesn't seem to be the message (referring to anger or yelling) of your post which seemed to be intended to be helpful. In addition, many people find all caps to be just plain difficult to read.' Note: '…your post which seemed to be intended to be helpful.'

I did note that your intention was to help people. Furthermore, the content of your post was of importance to me and probably moreso to others. What I was trying to get you to understand was that all-caps gets in the way of whatever content you want to convey.

Many people (some here; many elsewhere) have written about all-caps in electronic communication. It MEANS something, Jeannie B. Many people, some here, have written about its being difficult to read. One of the respected posters here, Julie, wrote once of its being difficult for her to read. She has said she is in her 70s; she is a published author and she is helping people here on a daily basis. So do not take my word on this. Julie has written the same. Do not take just my or Julie's comments; many other writers, readers, and informed people say the same. It is established good form.

All-caps is MORE difficult to read, not less. It may be easier for YOU to read, but you are POSTING it in public for OTHERS to read. It's not a matter of being 'politically or electronically correct', as you wrote; it is a matter of courtesy and ease of reading. If your intent is to write for yourself in a way that is easy for you to read, and you say all-caps is easier for you to read, then you have chosen the way for you to read your own material. If you want others to be able - and interested - in reading what you post, as you say you do because you are trying to be helpful, then you might consider your style, as opposed to some stubborn clinging to a false belief. All-caps has nothing to do with 'political or electronic correctness', whatever that is, no more than courtesy and other standards of behavior have to do with 'correctness'. You can do whatever you want; it's of no consequence to me, and it goes without saying that you can write in whatever style or language or form you want here or anywhere else. These things are not just a matter of my opinion. They are standards of practice and standards of usage. You can take my suggestions and do whatever you want, but your anger directed at me for giving you information is just as misplaced as it would have been for me to have been angry at you for giving whatever foot information you were giving to people here. In life, there is form and there is substance, and both matter. If you are at all sensitive to your environment, you will notice that other posters here do not use all-caps. It may be because they want to communicate, not 'shout.' If I came here and posted in Sanskrit, someone might rightly post to me: we post in English so we can all read and understand. Should I get mad and say 'well, Sanskrit is MY language and I am writing something that is meant to help others so YOU will just have to adjust to my Sanskrit!'??

Just for the record, you can adjust the size of the print you use – i.e. make it LARGER – without resorting to all-caps which has a very particular use and meaning online.

Now, please - with my blessings - go to your Caps Lock and enjoy yourself. I was trying to help someone who does not want to be helped. It happens and it's your choice. Sorry for thinking I might be helping where it was possible that the poster did not know about generally accepted practice with all-caps. Just kindly, do not yell at me again. I will not be reading your posts of that sort. I don't consider stubborness, unwillingness to learn and grow and change, any virtue. Nor do I consider arguing in defense of the indefensible anything of interest. There are some others here who enjoy arguing and conflict. I like honest and straightforward and intelligent debate, but not arguing over nonsense. All I wanted to do was tell you something that I thought you might possibly not know. You know it. You don't care. That is your privilege. Thank you for your response. You're welcome for my effort. We each know how the other feels on the subject of all-caps and we can, one hopes, leave it.

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Posted by Pauline on 9/28/04 at 10:54 View Thread
Jeannie,
Congratulation on your 'NO' response to another immediate surgery. I think the fact that you are taking the time to think about your current condition, seeking treatment for it and taking your time and not jumping into another surgery right now is taking a positive approach to your problem. I'm not a doctor, however, jumping into snowballing surgeries have cause many posters problems. Taking time to think before you act I think will pay off big time.

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Posted by JEANNIE B on 9/28/04 at 16:14 View Thread
IT IS BECAUSE OF ALL THE INFO THAT I HAVE FOUND ON THIS SITE THAT HAS ALLOWED ME TO MAKE BETTER CHOICES, JUST KNOWING THAT OTHERS ARE HAVING THE SAME PROBLEMS AND THAT SURGERY ISN'T THE CURE ALL FOR EVERYTHING HELPS ALOT. THANKS.

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Posted by Shell D. on 9/28/04 at 15:18 View Thread
Jeannie B.
All caps are fine for me! That's NOT the issue here. The issue is that you've found something that worked for you and I'm very happy for you!
I think if more people had the success you've had, the caps would be the least of their worries too.

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Posted by JEANNIE B on 9/28/04 at 16:08 View Thread
MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY.

Re: A Poll

John H on 3/03/05 at 10:04 (170349)

Dorothy after reviewing all those post I have determined you must be an original 'bad seed'. You sound like Joan Crawford reincarnate. I think you need a dose of Buffy The Vampire Slayer. If I can help you please let me know as I have my ways.

Lex Luther

Re: A Poll

John H on 3/03/05 at 10:21 (170351)

I prefer to vote on 'Should we remove all references to the Ten Commandants' from public places. Ironic that the Supreme Court has Moses and the Ten Commandments hanging on a wall behind them.

They will end up drawing a line in the sand but where we do not know.

I do not follow Vince so I have no input but how does he stack up against the Professor from the U. of Colorado when it comes to free speech?

I am always of the opinion that if someone on the board is writing things that upset you that you should avoid reading what they write. If they are breaking some rules of common decency, are vulgar, or break some of Scotts rules then they are out of here. Scott has one rule which is very open to interpretation and it is the 'Be Nice Rule' so I guess many could be expelled under that rule but Be Nice is in the eyes of the beholder or Scott.

Re: Not possible to "avoid" posts

Julie on 3/03/05 at 11:11 (170360)

Two points, John.

The 'be nice' rule has been spectacularly broken by Vince a number of times - in my opinion. Neither Scott nor the moderator(s) have taken any notice, so it's obviously, as you say, a matter of opinion.

You've always said that we should avoid reading posts that we don't like/agree with/are upset by. But that is not possible. The board is open: if you read all the posts regularly, as I do ('Messages posted since your last visit') you can't help seeing all the posts. And once you've seen a nasty post, it leaves a bad taste which stays with you for awhile. In tne same way, an especially nice post (e.g. one of Suzanne's, or yours, or Carole's - leaves you feeling good. Words are powerful, and they always have an effect.

Of course I would avoid being imposed on by Vince's more vitriolic efforts if I could, but I can't: they're there, I see them, and the vitriol stings, not deeply, because it's so childhish, nasty, and uncalled for, but it stings. He knows that it stings, and takes pleasure in that, and that leaves a bad taste too. Not for long, but the point is: it can't be avoided.
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Re: Not possible to "avoid" posts

Tina H on 3/03/05 at 13:02 (170364)

Ahh you guys/girls are all great except some may have a little too much time on their hands (because of their feet I imagine). Stop fighting now. I think Vince's wife should be the one to vote him off the island for calling her fatty, ouch... xoxox Tina H
PS. Leave poor Martha alone, Vince would not stand a chance if you sent him there!

Re: Not possible to "avoid" posts

Julie on 3/03/05 at 13:09 (170365)

Tina, my feet are fine, thanks: they have been for four years since I got over PF. I don't have 'time on my hands'. I give my time and such knowledge as I have here to help others. I don't like it when people are deliberately, gratuitously unkind, as Vince has often been. And when I feel that something/someone is adversely affecting the healing atmosphere here, I will say so.

I agree with you about the guy's poor wife. He has said far worse things about her than that.
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Re: A Poll

Elyse B on 3/03/05 at 14:10 (170372)

Dorothy could you just be a little nicer to people and let people have their opinions.

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Posted by Dorothy on 7/01/04 at 11:40 View Thread
WHAT???!!!! You are giving away Foot Trainers because someone was skeptical???!!! Someone implied your products were overpriced, not worth it, etc etc etc. I sang the praises of the Foot Trainers and by association of you - and you send the nay-sayer a free set of Foot Trainers???? WHAT???? HUH???? I repeatedly praise the Foot Trainers here and I even bought two sets because I was afraid one would break and you might not be in business and I worried about not having them at some time in the future - and I offer counter-arguments about the product to the person you are now giving a free set of Foot Trainers to??? HUH???!!! WHAT???!!! You should have had me on retainer!!! Instead, you give the negator a free set??!!

Notice to Mark L: THIS is what bitter and unhappy looks like. NOW I AM bitter and unhappy!!

Ok - attention Dansko, New Balance, Brooks, FootSmart, Sierra Trading, etc etc etc etc: I have praised your products/services/businesses -
But now I'm skeptical - I can find shoes/products like yours at WalMart or TJ Maxx or Goodwill for much less. I will henceforth advise people that you are too expensive and your stuff doesn't look like it's worth what you are charging - Oh, never mind.

Posted by Dorothy on 4/21/04 at 12:48 View Thread
Modified by Moderator
Message deleted due to baiting

Posted by Dorothy on 4/22/04 at 02:12 View Thread
Deleted by Moderator
Stay on Subject

Posted by Dorothy on 4/23/04 at 01:29 View Thread
Status quo. Dr. Ed must be a moderator. He or whoever the moderator is deletes my posts which were factual rejoinder to his non-factual statement. My post gets deleted for 'baiting' and for being off the subject - the subject being Mark L and having nothing to do with Dr. Ed - but Dr. Ed's non-factual post stands.

Re: A Poll

Susan on 3/03/05 at 15:37 (170375)

I remember that post and found it disturbing. As I recall, all Janice N. said was the foot trainer cost more than she could afford or something to that effect.

Re: A Poll

Buck T. on 3/03/05 at 17:06 (170379)

Dorothy: You got my vote.

Sincerely, Buck T.

Re: Not possible to "avoid" posts

John H on 3/04/05 at 11:30 (170428)

Agree Julie if you read them they will hurt. Some people who consistently make post which can upset me I simply do not read them. If I see their name my eyes just automatically pass on by. Scott can do what ever he likes with Vince and it want effect me because I chose not to let him or others have that much control over my feelings. As I type I have no idea what Vince has been posting all I really know is it really has upset you as I always read your post. It is really difficult in this life of the internet,TV,Blogs,chat rooms,newspapers,etc to blot out all the things that disturb us as individual so we must develop mechanisms to deal with what disturbs us as we clearly cannot blot all these people out. The more you respond to Vince the more he will respond to you. Our board is relatively mild compared to some of the sports chat boards I am on. They get down and dirty and personal. I have learned to just ignore those post as many are there just to jerk my chain. I am not saying I can completely ignore some people. That idiot Professor from the U. Colorado who stated all the people in the World Trade Center got what they deserved and were little Hitlers still gets my adrenlin pumping but even he is being protected by freedom of speech. We all have people we would like to have shut up but until they change the Constitution we are stuck with a lot of really really bad talk. Forget Vince if you can and enjoy all the other people you have always enjoyed on the board and who also enjoy you.

Re: Not possible to "avoid" posts

Julie on 3/04/05 at 12:04 (170436)

Thanks for this, John. I appreciate it. The trouble is, I can't help reading everything there is to read, and I take it in so so quickly that nothing passes me by. But you're right. I should try to ignore bitter and twisted posters who are deliberately and spitefully hurtful to others.

I think there are huge misunderstandings about freedom of speech, but - I will try. And you are certainly right that the more you take the bait, the more they respond.

Thanks for the good advice. I enjoy you too.
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Re: Explanation

Susan on 3/04/05 at 13:26 (170439)

To anyone questioning what Elyse means by Dorothy hijacking the board, I think I can explain because I have had the same impression myself.

To start with, Dorothy demeans people who disagree with her by calling them a variety of ugly names. She has used words like anti-intellectual and anti-intelligent in some of her insults. She has called me anti-intellectual I believe. Now the two things I have been called more than anything else in my life are intellectual and intelligent. So I know that this is mere name-calling on her part and as such, inappropriate. She also demeans people who disagree with her by calling them creeps, weird, stubborn, unwilling to learn and grow and change (because they are not interested in her advice), and this is an incomplete list. Many of her ugliest posts have been deleted.

She mocks people for misspelled words while misspelling plenty of words herself. I recall she mocked Elyse for misusing a word, while misusing them herself. (For example using 'affect' where 'effect' would have been correct.) She writes on and on and on ad nauseum against writing in all-caps, calling it shouting, while repeatedly typing words in all-caps herself - and not just as an example in her all-caps tirade. She has even mocked someone for using quotes where they would not normally be used, conveniently ignoring that they are being used as a substitute for bolding or italics. The things she doesn't do correctly don't bother me, but her demands that others do those things her way and they way in which she posts these demands seem like bullying to me.

She posted a false statement about something Janice said, then proceeded to attack Janice for it (the foot-trainers post). To me this was probably the most offensive and inappropriate thing of all from her. I definitely considered this to be bullying.

She demands in a haughty tone that people prove any of their assertions, while claiming to be a published author, but showing no evidence of it. Why is that?

Dorothy chooses to behave nicely to people who never contradict her, who are willing thank her profusely, who post that they like her, who post that they want her to stay and also to people who present themselves as strong, such as you and John H.

No bully behaves in a bullying manner at all times, but that doesn't mean the person is not a bully, at least not in my book.

In short, her bullying derisiveness and hostility toward people who display opinions of their own that may not be hers, and who may seem weak to her or without alliances on the board is what drives people off, which I think is what Elyse meant when she said Dorothy has hi-jacked the board.

Re: Explanation

Elyse B on 3/04/05 at 13:32 (170441)

thank you. You put it perfectly.

Re: Explanation

blt on 3/06/05 at 22:06 (170592)

I just found this thread. I think that Dorthy lady should relax and stop trying to be the boss of the board. People, if you dont like a post or a persons beliefs SKIP OVER THE DAMN THING!!!!!! stop all the thought police crap. And for Dot, I read some of your old posts and you can get nasty and in the dirt like anyone so dont act all holier than thou and try to kick people off. I dont like all of what I read from Vince but I do like some of it.

Maybe you should start your own site and you can dictate all that goes on