Ibuprofen Cream Message Board Discussions
These are all the positive and negative comments that were posted.
Message Number 7385
Re: Ibuprofen Cream
Posted by Mary Ann on 5/31/99
Do you know the concentration of the cream? The tube says 100 grams. Is the reason for the cream for those who's stomach can't take it?
What is the strength of tablets and amount of DMSO? Thanks

Message Number 7391

Re: Ibuprofen Cream
Posted by mohez on 5/31/99
Sorry guys, i am not sure whats going on here. Are you suggesting that
by rubbing this cream on the inside of your heels (thats where my pain
is), it helps keep the inflammation down and thus less soreness. If so
can I buy this cream in Canada ?

Message Number 7413

SCOTT: Re: Ibuprofen Cream
Posted by Molly on 6/01/99
I have ordered the Ibuprofen Cream listed on your website. I should be getting my tube in the next 10 days. I will follow up here with what I think. I already use some sort of drugstore "peppermint" cream on my feet at night when I massage and I thought this cream would be better. I thought it deserved a try. I am almost 75 percent better anyway from my constant icing, vitamins and stretching, but I'm ready to be 100 percent. I'll keep you posted.

Molly

Message Number 7429

Re: Ibuprofen Cream
Posted by Scott on 6/01/99
I'm not sure what the site's policy is regarding sales to Canada. They are more expensive for overseas sales. I'm referring to the Ibuprofen Cream link at the top of the message board, which is a product that comes from Germany, but it's called Dolgit and not Ibuleve.

Message Number 7431

Re: Ibuprofen Cream
Posted by Scott on 6/01/99
Yes, the cream doesn't have to go through the stomach, so it doesn't cause those kind of problems. The only other danger is kidney trouble (over the long term) but since it's being applied directly to the painful area, not as much is needed. Daypro doesn't absorb through the skin when used with DMSO. I can see it on the skin after the DMSO dries and scrap it off with a knife: it's the same amount as I applied. No noticeble benefit. I try Ibuprofen and it work like a charm. The amount of ibuprofen to use is as much of it (after it's been crushed) that will dissolve in an eighth of a teaspoon of DMSO. It turns out to be about one 200 mg pill. That's all I need to do to get the pain to go away. GNC may not have DMSO. I found it in a small local health food store.

Message Number 7548

Ossatron update!!!
Posted by suzi on 6/02/99
It's been several weeks since my second ossatron treatment and my foot continues to improve everyday!! The pain from the ossatron took several weeks to diminish and now I feel much better. I also attribute my feeling better to strengthening exercises that I have done for the VERY FIRST TIME in 6 years since suffering from horrid heel pain. I have started physical therapy and these are the exercises I am doing daily.
1. Picking up marbles with my toes for about 2-3 minutes
2. Using a lightweight pillowcase on a tile or linoleum floor, I do about 10 toe curls on each foot. I use my toes to scrunch up the pillowcase. Using a pillowcase is much easier than a towel and more effective.
3. I use a thera band which is like a big stretchy rubber band and a physical therapist can supply this. I have four separate strengthening exercises that I do which are difficult to explain, but very good for building up ankle stability. Any physical therapist should have diagrams.
4. I balance one foot at a time for 2 minutes on a mini trampoline that I purchased at sears fo $20. My ankles and feet shake like crazy, but they getting stronger.

So overall, I attribute my continued success to the ossatron treatment that broke up scar tissue from my failed surgery, and without strengthening exercises I would still have weak, flat feet!!!! I didn't realize how terribly weak my feet were until I started working to build up strength. I will always have dreaded flat feet, but hopefully stronger flat feet!!!
I hope to continue improving!! Becky and I are in the exact same boat!! Give the ossatron a try when it gets approved!!! I also ordered the Ibuprofen Cream from this web site and think it works well! It's worth a try!
good luck to us all. Feel free to e-mail me anytime
suzi

Message Number 7654

SUCCESS! Two weeks pain free!!!!
Posted by Molly on 6/07/99
Hello all. I think I've done it. I think I may have beaten this monster. I wish I had one cure that I could tell you I did to beat this, but unfortunately, I don't. Since I did so many things I do not know which one actually helped me, but it may have been a combination of all of them. Most importantly, patience. It doesn't go away overnight. I had PF for approximately 8 months. For long-time sufferers, I believe it may take longer for the cure, if ever. Anyway, here was my regimen that I want to share with you. There are no big surprises here, it's everything you've read over and over here on this site and message board:

ICE, ICE and ICE, 6 times a day.

Massage the fascia with a cream especially in the morning. I recently purchased the Ibuprofen Cream mentioned on Scott's site above. I have no idea if this contributed to my success, but it sure didn't hurt.

Glucosamine and Vitamin C 3 times a day with meals.

Stretch, stretch and stretch.

NEVER walk barefoot. I wear Birkenstocks around the house at all times. If I'm not in them, I'm in work shoes with my orthodics.

Elevate whenever possible. Sometimes I would lie on the floor up against a wall with my feet propped up on the wall and my rear end up to the wall so my body was at a 90 degree angle. I would lie like this as long as possible.

I can honestly say that I've returned to my Jazzercise class and I am (so far) pain free. But I still baby my feet and ice after class, take my supplements and massage so this monster doesn't suddenly reappear. In my case I did all of these things EVERY day, no matter how discouraged I got

Good luck to all.

Molly

Message Number 7743

Does Ibuprofen Cream Help?
Posted by scott on 6/12/99
Suzi said it may have helped and Lee said some sort of cream helped. Can anybody else vouch for the Ibuprofen Cream? Is it worth the $28?

Message Number 7744

Re: Does Ibuprofen Cream Help?
Posted by Bea on 6/12/99
It has helped some but my magnets help just as much and the liquid St. Johns wort helped also. It all is very temporary. I would describe it as soothing rather than absense of pain. Good luck, I don't believe it is worth $28.00 but I tend to try everything. I just received my oil of oregano in the mail and will report on that as soon as I try it out. Hope this was helpful.

Message Number 7749

Re: Does Ibuprofen Cream Help?
Posted by Lee on 6/12/99

My cream is 30 GM & Piroxican 2% PLO (compounded)
$42.00
Yes is worth every penny. It's my 5th day using it and its made a huge difference. You a very small amount twice daily so it will last a long time. So the price isn't really that bad. I don't know if my cream is Ibuprofen Cream or not, above is exactly what is written on the jar. You buy it a compounding pharmacy.

Message Number 7771

Re: Does Ibuprofen Cream Help?
Posted by Janet on 6/13/99

Hey Bea,

from whom did you order your oil of oregano?

Thanx,

janet

Message Number 7774

Re: Does Ibuprofen Cream Help?-To Janet
Posted by Bea on 6/13/99
Hi- I got the oil of oregano from the Vitamin Shoppe, 4700 Westside Ave. North Bergen, N.J. 07047 1-800-223-1216 They are on the web but I misplaced their URL, try using a browser. The price with S & H was $27.41. Haven't tried it yet but will tonite & I'll let you know the results.Here's hoping.

Message Number 7781

Re: Does Ibuprofen Cream Help?
Posted by WANDA on 6/13/99
Lee did you just take this info. and go to the pharmastic and ask them to mix this up or did a dr give it to you. Could you tell relief when you frist put it on?

Message Number 7807

Oil of Oregano/Good News
Posted by Bea on 6/14/99
I can't seem to find the previous group of messages about this subject but wanted all to know I tried it last night and it did work quite well. Better than the Ibuprofen Cream. It does have an annoying smell but it took the pain away for many hours. The Other creams, etc that I have tried just seem to soothe but this took the pain away.

Message Number 7825

Re: Oil of Oregano/Good News
Posted by Bea on 6/14/99
I have used the Ibuprofen Cream, Liquid St. Johns Wort, Cortaid & now this oil of oregano. The others would soothe my foot but the pain was still there. I was having a very painful evening last night , it haad been raining for 2 days and that usually adds to my misery. I put the oil of oregano on and the pain went away and hasen't come back yet. This was the first time I used it so I don't know about the long haul, but it is very smelly. I Have also used magnets.(Most of my pain is in the achilles heel)

Message Number 7917

Re: Does Ibuprofen Cream Help?-To Janet
Posted by janet on 6/19/99
Hi Bea,

Thanks.

Message Number 7991

Which is better-Oil of Oregano or the Ibuprofen Cream?
Posted by Sarah on 6/21/99
I have noticed the information about both of these products. I am wondering who is happier- Oil of Oregano users or Ibuprofen Cream users? Anyone out there who has used both? I am fairly pain free, but on those days when I push it I would like to have a soothing cream. I have also remained fairly conservative with my exercise and would like to increase my activity level, but I am paranoid because I don't want anymore shots, nor do I think my dr. would give me anymore. Also, I do not want to EVER have surgery after reading this message board. Thank you in advance for you insights.
Sarah

Message Number 8001

Re: Which is better-Oil of Oregano or the Ibuprofen Cream?
Posted by Bea on 6/21/99
I use both and feel they are about equal but the oil of oregano is very smelly, the Ibuprofen doesn't smell at all

Message Number 8007

One More Thing Re: Which is better-Oil of Oregano or the Ibuprofen Cream?
Posted by Sarah on 6/22/99
This place that sells Ibuprofen Cream that is linked to this sight, do you need a prescription? I read all of you messages and I thought that you had to get a prescription for "piroicama" or "feldene" from your doctor and then go to a compounding pharmacy. I am a little confused. If this cream that is linked to this sight the same or is it milder dose therefore not requiring a prescription. Please clarify someone. Thanks!!!

Message Number 8014

Re: Which is better-Oil of Oregano or the Ibuprofen Cream?
Posted by Molly on 6/22/99
I ordered the Ibuprofen Cream that is linked on this site. No perscription needed. I like it. I rub it on my feet at night after I Jazzercise. I've never tried the Oregano Oil though so I don't know which is better. I'm about 99 percentpain free.

Molly

Message Number 8018

Yes, please tell us, is the Ibuprofen Cream different than the Piroxicam cream? (n/t)
Posted by Carol E. on 6/22/99
n/t

Message Number 8032

Re: Yes, please tell us, is the Ibuprofen Cream different than the Piroxicam cream? (n/t)
Posted by Bea on 6/22/99
Sorry all I know about is the ibprofen cream.

Message Number 8052

Re: Yes, please tell us, is the Ibuprofen Cream different than the Piroxicam cream? (n/t)
Posted by WANDA on 6/23/99
I have not used the Ibuprofen Cream so can''t comment, however I can and will tell you that the PIROXICAN 2% compounded is WONDERFUL it will take the pain away and I can tell when I don''t use it . Yes you do have to have a RX. to get it, and use a tiny bit on the places it hurts on your feet. Also I am taking MSM 4000MG A DAY , its by Bill Rich and its 99.9% pure msm, I am so much better went from a 10 to a 3 pain range pretty quick. I believe Bill Rich Vit. are on AAAMSM.COM

Message Number 8069

Re: Misery Loves Company
Posted by Sarah on 6/23/99
I don't think there is a place in the world that has enough wheel chairs, ice, or ibuprofen. Oh wait- a hospital perhaps!!! Just kidding. All joking aside, welcome. I have found very beneficial information here and I am getting ready to order the Ibuprofen Cream linked to this site.

Message Number 8143

What Orthopedic Surgeon Just Told Me re: PF
Posted by Martha on 6/25/99
I just returned home from my appointment with an orthopedic surgeon at a leading group who work on a lot of professional athletes and other in the Central Florida area. I have suffered for 10 months with PF and been to podiatrist and got custom orthodics, went to acupuncturist(waste of time) and tried Oregeno Oil, Ibuprofen Cream etc. with no success. Glucosamine compound helps some. Mostly I was discouraged and considering surgery. This honest doctor told me that the best treatment is TIME.
Do the stretching, good shoes and shoe inserts, vitamins etc. whatever seems to help. He said most people have it a year or two but THE ONLY PEOPLE HE EVER SAW WHO NEVER GOT WELL WERE THE ONES WHO HAD THE SURGERY! In my case the bone spurs evident on the X-rays are not causing the problem (many people have bone spurs in various parts of their body and they don't necessarily cause pain) and he said cutting the tissue in the foot is not the right thing and only invites more pain from scar tissue etc. As frustrating as it may be that there is no magic bullet, I will opt for TIME, stretching, vitamins and remedies.

Message Number 8250

Re: about the cream
Posted by Rosalind on 6/27/99
When I asked a pharmacist about the active ingredient in Piroxicam he said it was an anti-inflammatory that is in a different class than ibuprofen. In other words, if one doesn't work, the other may. Most pharmacists will compound or mix up a formula if the doctor tells them what the ingredients are.

I have been using the Ibuprofen Cream for about two weeks now and it has definitely helped (I can do much longer walks with my dog now), but it is not a cure yet (it is sooo easy to get set back). I found that using it 3-4 times a day, rather than twice is better. It feels wonderful if I take the time to really massage it into my foot and sometimes I massage it into tight calf and ankle muscles. I'm going to finish the tube before deciding whether to try the Piroxicam or oil of oregano, which both have helped a lot of folks.

Good luck!

Message Number 8289

Some relief at last
Posted by Yvonne C on 6/28/99
Hi everyone, I think I might have found what works for me. I am a PF sufferer for over 4 years now, like all of you I have tried the icing, shots, orthotics x 2, 4 doctors, stretching, etc etc etc.

I recently bought a pair of Dansko clogs, new balance sneakers and purchased the Ibuprofen Cream and have found that I am finally getting some relief. I am still a little stiff in the mornings but always step into my clogs before heading to the shower and I have to say it's a pleasure being able to walk and not crawl with my first steps.

Also a runner friend of mine gave me some QE Tabs from Youthful Secrets by Seta, she told me they helped her with muscle spasms in her legs, and since I was having really bad shooting pains I tried, now I don't know if they are what has helped or not, I am just really happy that I am getting a few pain free days.

Hopefully some of this info will help.

Message Number 8301

Comments on Ibuprofen Cream
Posted by Scott on 6/28/99
I'm creating a link right next to the Ibuprofen Cream link to help visitors decide if they would like to purchase it. They will get to read your frank comments about it before they purchase. Please provide comments for them in a response to this message. Include the phrase "Ibuprofen Cream" somewhere in the body of your message.

Message Number 8305

Re: Comments on Ibuprofen Cream
Posted by Martha on 6/28/99
I ordered the Ibuprofen Cream and have been using it for 2 weeks. No matter how much I rub in I see no results. I decided to taken 2 ibuprofen tablets and mash them up thoroughly with a mallet and I mixed a few drops of grapefuit juice to melt them, let them sit a minute in that, then mix enough of the cream to use all the mashed tablets and it rub it in good on both heels and surrounding area and over veins. I sometimes put tape over it to be sure it soaks in. Within 20 minutes the pain is gone and I can walk around fine for about 6 hrs. I can't tolerate ibuprofen by mouth or the new Celebrix because of stomach pain it causes but my "invention" works like a charm for me. Needless to say I have tried adding the mashed tablets to most any cream or oil and that works equally well.

Message Number 8313

Re: Comments on Ibuprofen Cream
Posted by Bea on 6/28/99
I have been using the cream about 3 weeks and find it deadens the pain and doesn't smell bad. The relief can last up to 3 hours.

Message Number 8359

Re: Why do you use grapefruit juice with the tablets?
Posted by Sarah on 6/29/99
Martha, I thought to myself "what the heck" and crunched 1 ibuprofen up in about 1 tablespoon of lemon juiice and rubbed it on my heels. I think it helped some. I am going to try it again, but I am going to put it in some aloe vera lotion I have and see that way. Perhaps it is a placebo and is all psycological. Next time I am going to pulverize two tablets. My only concern is that the Ibuprofen Cream is suppose to absorb less into your blood stream and be less detrimental to you liver. I wonder if the same is true of this strange "voodoo" method. Anyway, i will keep you posted. Sarah

Message Number 8526

Oil of Oregano?
Posted by Lorrie on 7/05/99
Hi all. I'm so thankful for this message board! My husband, Mark, is probably going to lose his job due to PF. He has worked for so many places and has finally found a job he likes and that fits his personality and now this. We recently discovered that he and our 8 yr old son are borderline ADHD, so he really needs an active job. He loads semi-trucks for Ameriserve in Hebron, KY and is limping around, in agony all darn day! We are still back in IN, trying to sell our house to move down there to be a family again, but things are not looking good. I wonder about Oil of Oregano - has it proved helpful to many people? Ive seen it on here mentioned a few times. ive already ordered the Ibuprofen Cream and it can't get here fast enough!

Message Number 8545

Re: physical therapy
Posted by Jill on 7/06/99
I just finished three sessions. My feet seemed a little better right after the sessions but they seem worse then they were before later each day. I think the only good was the Ibuprofen Cream they used with the electro therapy.

I called doc today to ask for prescription. His asst. left me message that there was no such thing. I'll be bringing him a print-out tomorrow.

Good Luck

Message Number 8688

Thank heavens I'm not alone...
Posted by JillR on 7/13/99
Hi all,

I just discovered this site and have found all the information to be very interesting. I can't wait to get my hands on some Ibuprofen Cream. I've had PF for about 5 years, ever since trekking through Italy in a pair of adorable, but completely unsupportive, sandals. It's making me crazy. I'm so tired of not dancing, walking, running, wearing regular shoes, etc., because of my sore feet. I've tried orthotics twice, night splints, icing, a lot of Advil, reflexology (heck, a nice footrub whatever else it does) and acupuncture. I'm afraid to go back to my ortho because I don't want cortisone shots. I am a big believer in Birkenstocks and never going barefoot, and ice, ice and more ice.

Has anyone else gained weight because of the inactivity? I've gained way too much and find it difficult to take off because I'm just not as active as I used to be. I ride the stationary bike at the gym 4x/week, but that tain't enough. So my feet hurt even more... Sigh.

Just needed to vent a bit and give thanks that I'm not the only tenderfoot out there.

JillR

Message Number 9007

Ibuprofen Cream or piroxican
Posted by pete on 7/25/99
have any of you tried either of these and do they provide any relief?

Message Number 9017

Re: Ibuprofen Cream or piroxican
Posted by Mary Ann on 7/25/99

I have used the piroxocam cream and have not had much relief with it, but others here have.

Message Number 9021

Re: Ibuprofen Cream or piroxican
Posted by Lee on 7/25/99
I had great results with the piroxicam cream for my heel spur. Most of the pain gone. Never tried the ibprofen cream.

Message Number 9026

Re: Ibuprofen Cream or piroxican and wax
Posted by Bea on 7/25/99
I find the ibprofen cream very soothing and helps a bit with pain but the magnets are better. I have just started dipping my foot in hot wax at the suggestion of my podatrist. No comment yet, will let you know

Message Number 9028

Re: Ibuprofen Cream or piroxican
Posted by Laura on 7/25/99
I asked my doctor to prescribe it and he said no, that he'd read no scientific documentation that it was beneficial. :-(

Message Number 9030

Re: Ibuprofen Cream or piroxican
Posted by Sarah on 7/25/99
I just started using my Ibuprofen Cream several days ago and I felt immediate relief. It is very soothing. I would like to try the piroxicam cream because it seems that many here have been pleased with it.

Message Number 9036

Re: Ibuprofen Cream or piroxican
Posted by WANDA on 7/25/99
I have been using the piroxican cream for a while now and i LOVE IT AND IT DOES WORK it really blows my mind that the drs dont tell people about this wonderful cream. I would put it up againts any thing I have tried and the MSM 4000mg a day . I am seeing some results now have a job on construction and have to do some walking , however I do get to put ice on them at lunch , my dr from the Houghston Clinic in Columbus,Ga gave me mine without any hesitation what so ever , thats because he is a kind and wonderful man and wants me to get well, I have tarsnal tunnel in both feet. Please try another dr and get you some Piroxican

Message Number 9045

Re: Ibuprofen Cream or piroxican
Posted by Lee on 7/26/99
Laura, you don't know what your missing. The piroxicam cream was what really helped the pain in my heel. The pharmacist that filled my RX told me that athletes use it for their sports injuries. I would ask another Dr. about it just to get a second opinion.

Message Number 9067

Good News
Posted by Bobette on 7/26/99
Just wanted to thank those of you who encouraged me to use a wheelchair and go to my sons college orientation. I did feel a bit self concious, however, it was worth it. I don't know if it was because I was in the wheelchair almost exclusively for 2 days or what, but I'm happy to say that my left foot shows some improvement for the first time in months. Since I found this site a few weeks ago, I purchased inserts for my tennis shoes, began wearing Naot clogs, ordered and began using the Ibuprofen Cream, I'm doing strectching exercises, and icing twice daily...also just ordered a pair of birks...so it's really difficult to say exactly what attributed to my pain beginning to subside. I very much appreciate hearing about the tried treatments that have worked for others. Thanks to all.

Message Number 9096

Re: Good News
Posted by Bobette on 7/27/99
Lee, thanks so much! I had read some of the previous posts and was actually planning on trying the piroxicam cream. The fact that it's an RX is even better because insurance should cover at least a portion of it. I can see where over the long haul the Ibuprofen Cream with s/h charges could become very costly. I really appreciate all your suggestions and think it's wonderful how you help others and offer much needed advice. Thanks!

Message Number 9130

Re: Ibuprofen Cream or piroxican
Posted by WANDA on 7/27/99
I love the cream and it does work I dont use it every day to expensive but I do use it when I really hurt and about to cry because this curse (pf) will really try your nerves wont it? I use it very lightly and about 3 minuntes after I put it on it sooths my pain so I can go on , keep on icing , I have a pr. of birks that are so broke in and they love my feet. good luck

Message Number 9159

Book, FootFlex and Peeling back the layers
Posted by Rosalind on 7/28/99
A friend who had pf recommended this book: Sports and Exercise Injuries: Conventional, Homeopathic and Alternative Treatments by S. Subotnick (1991). Some information is outdated, but for some things that doesn't matter (of course it doesn't include all the new things we know about from this message board, like piroxicam, Ibuprofen Cream and oil of oregano). To me, the book overemphasizes homeopathy, but there is also a wide range of information, such as taping, diagnosis based on shoe wear patterns, discussions on different types of injuries.

I think dealing with chronic pf is like a peeling an onion. Something works for a while, it peels back a layer, then it stops working, and you have to try something else (not necessarily something new) to get to the next layer. I was surprised, but homeopathy worked for a while. I couldn't do even basic stretches until recently -- 7 months after diagnosis of pf (the pf had actually been festering for many years before diagnosis). But now I can stretch and do PT exercises in a warm water pool, let the jets of a hot tub massage my foot, achilles and calves (heat used to kill me), and gently use exercise equipment like the cross trainer, leg press and leg curls. It's all low key, but it increases circulation, strength, and flexibility, and that helps with healing pf.

I have been using the FootFlex too and it helps. For me, it is a much more effective stretch to bend the toes up while doing the basic runners stretches. Also, it keeps my knee on the pf foot straight, which it tends to not want to do, while I stretch. The FootFlex is a very simple device; therefore, I think it is overpriced. But if you feel better when you use it, well, that says a lot. Best of luck to all.

Message Number 9360

Re: Ibuprofen: Is it dangerous?
Posted by Sarah on 8/01/99
Connie, welcome to the board. I think you will find so much helpful info here. Yes, ibuprofen is dangerous if taken repeatedly for a long amount of time. My doc gave me prescription ibup. in the beginning to help reduce the inflammation but warned that long term use can cause stomach ulcers and kidney damage. There are two all natural remedies- bromelain and pancreatin enzyme. Read Scott's 25 page document which explains about these further. I have been taking the pancreatin for about 1 1/5 weeks so I feel premature in reporting results, but so far I have felt improvement. I also have been using the Ibuprofen Cream which I ordered off the internet and find it soothing. I went to the bookstore yesterday and scoured the pages of multiple resources about these all natural remedies because the dosage was vague on the back of my bottle and didn't exactly match Scott's suggestion. To help reduce inflammation using pancreatin enzyme one should take it 10-20 mins prior to eating to aid in the proper digestionbreakdown of this supplement. I forget specifics from the resources I read. Also, at no level is it toxic which was another one of the questions I wanted answered. Anyway, scroll back over previous pages and read the info. Good luck. Sarah

Searching file...

Message Number 9530

Re: To: Sarah
Posted by Sarah on 8/07/99
I go to see my doc in two weeks so i haven't seen him to ask for it. When I was there several weeks ago I only worked with the orthodic technician. Amazingly, the adjustment has helped my heels feel better. I get some minor relief from the Ibuprofen Cream. I am hoping that he will be willing to prescribe it because the nurse technician said that she has known of him prescribing the oral form (feldene) for relief. I also am taking the pancreatin supplements which I think are helping as well. Moreover, I found these shoes called Naots which have been extreemely comfortable and I can wear them without orthodics.

All in all, my feet are feeling pretty good. I just want the cream for days when I have over done it like played tennis or gone on a field trip with my students ect...

Thanks for you concern. I hope all is well with you.

Sarah

Message Number 9927

Re: It May Be Something or It May be Nothing
Posted by Bea on 8/19/99
Actually the most relief I've gotten topically is from Ibuprofen Cream as well as oil of oregano, which is very smelly.

Message Number 9985

Ibuprofen Cream
Posted by LINDA on 8/20/99
I TRIED ORDERING Ibuprofen Cream THROUGH THE LINK TO THIS SITE. THEY ACCEPTED THE ORDER THEN EMAILED A FEW DAYS LATER TO SAY IT WAS UNAVAILABLE WITH NO FUTURE DATE OF AVAILABILITY.

Message Number 10082

Re: Ibuprofen Cream
Posted by Bea on 8/22/99
I just reordered with no trouble. It is item # 447 and if you don't want to order online they have a toll free 1-800-841-5433. I find the cream very helpful, hope you have good luck with it.

Message Number 10115

Re: Ibuprofen Cream
Posted by LINDA on 8/23/99
THANKS FOR THE INFO AND THE PHONE NUMBER. I WILL GIVE THEM A CALL TOMORROW.

Message Number 10116

Re: Ibuprofen Cream
Posted by Scott on 8/23/99
This website gets a commission when the link on the homepage is used. The more visitors tell other visitors through this message board how to bypass those links, the more this message board is harmed. There is no difference in the cost to the buyer. I request that you tell others to go to the heelspurs.com homepage for the link so that heelspurs.com can recieve financial support.

Message Number 10118

Re: Ibuprofen Cream-To Scott
Posted by Bea on 8/24/99
Sorry Scott- Linda seemed to be having trouble getting the item. In future I will certainly order from the home page. I just didn't realize.

Message Number 10120

Re: Not all PF sufferers need to loose weight to Wendy
Posted by Sarah on 8/24/99
Wendy, you're not getting what I said. Yes, I need to loose weight, but Gordon is right in that not all pf sufferers need to loose weight. This diet is not a diet in the sense of the 1990's definition of a diet which is one to loose weight. This is a diet in the sense that humans were not born to eat all of this overprocessed, sodium filled, preservative injected food. I never said that I was going to be off of breads and pasta forever. This was the first step my personal trainer gave me in shifting my metabolism and relasing the lactic acid that has been stored in my muscles due to a diet rich in white bread, sugar, and prepackaged food. He DOES NOT want me to reduce my caloric intake or count fat grams. In fact I have been eating carbohydrates: potatoes, peas, sugar, beans, and nuts. He recommended that I eat fish, chicken, veggies, fruits, dairy products, and other fresh foods.

My grandmother was a diebetic and this was not much different than the American Diabetes Assc. diet she was on which significantly limits fruits, juices, and breads. My family physician said the Am. Diab. Assc. diet is one that a family should follow because it is quite healthy. He (personl trainer)said that he will permit me eventually to consume some bread. I meet with him again on Wednesday to begin weight training and I am sure he will look at my food diary and have a coronary and begin shifting my diet in another direction.

I in no way said I was cured. I don't believe I will ever be cured. I will just be able to manage the pain in a tolerable way. My feet are still feeling significant improvement and I have been working on them all day for 8-10 hours setting up my classroom and I played tennis for 45 minutes on Sunday. I am still icing and rubbing Ibuprofen Cream on them in addition to not eating bread and pasta, but I can honestly say that they feel the best they have felt in two years.

There must be something to this. Whether it is the lactic acid belief or the leaky gut philosophy I don't know. I was a skeptic, but now I am a believer from my own personal experience. All I can say is that it won't kill you to give up breads and pasta for a week to see if you feel better. I only did it because I am paying my personal trainer a lot of $ not to follow his advice, not because of anything I read here. Quite frankly, I thought Gordon and the rest were desperate and reaching for things that merely acted as a placebo for them (no offense). So I read there advice and moved on. Anyway, good luck and I will keep you posted if you wish.

Sarah

Message Number 10154

I used Pancreatin Enzyme from Vitamin Shoppe
Posted by Sarah on 8/24/99
I started using it in July an didn't notice much improvement because the imflammation in feet had been somewhat down, but I had been taking it very easy on my feet and started using Ibuprofen Cream at the same time. Pancreatin enzyme, like bromelain, is mentioned in Scott's document as an anti-imflammitory and I went to the bookstore to research it. My findings were that it is nontoxic at any level and that for the anti-imflammitory benefits it must be taken about 10-20 minutes prior to eating. It did decrease my appetite and I noticed my stomach grumbling far less. That side effect never hurt anybody!!!

Message Number 10232

Re: Ibuprofen Cream-To Linda
Posted by Nancy T. on 8/26/99
Hi Linda: I, too, ordered Ibuprofen Cream thru the link on this site and was e-mailed two days later saying it was out of stock and no date for availability. Have you heard anything further?

Message Number 10540

Re: Bromelain, Pancreatin
Posted by Scott on 9/02/99
I have to take one or two pancreatin pills after a meal because they are queasy on the stomach if you take them on an empty stomach. I've read one authoritative place that bromelain is needed on an empty stomach because it's hard to absord. But the bottle says take with meals. The effects of both seem to be immediate (wirthin an hour and lasting half a day), whereas the flax oil is said to take a mointh or two. Follow the links on this site or the ones below to purchase and heelspurs.com gets a commission. I should mention that the good thing about heelspurs.com not selling anything directly is that I get to chose the best products and don't have to recommend crappy stuff. The orthotics, Ibuprofen Cream, pancreatin, and bromelain all work, and I sought them out for that reason, then I was able to get a commission - not the other way around (get a commission first and then say it works).

bromelain (pineapple enzymes) and pancreatic enzymes

Message Number 10763

Re: Request for enhancement to Scott
Posted by Scott on 9/08/99
Thanks for the ideas. I'll be able to easily add a link to the messages from the view messages since last visit.

There were several responses about the new colors. About half were "like" or "love" and the other half were "HATE". I'll change them back when I get back to Montgomery or if I can spend the night at someone's house here in Huntsville who has software on their home computer that this library connection doesn't. [update: I just found a way to do it from this library connection. ]

Speaking of money, I'm making WAY more than enough to cover the $29 a month hosting fee and $35/per year DNS fee. heelspurs.com costs a total of $32 a month, plus my time. (I no longer have to have an extra phone line and I'm not counting my mindspring internet account). olm.net is a great host provider. I don't even know what city the pages are bing stored in. I just upload them from my computer to their computer.

Ibuprofen Cream sales have dropped dramatically. Has anyone had trouble purchasing?

For those curious, I'm an 32 year-old environmental scientist (air pollution) who graudated in electrical engineering from Auburn U. The job is not technical nor challenging, and since my PF I haven't had enough curouge to find an engineering job that may be more competitive, more walking, and less stable. The PF has contributed to me still being single and working at half my expected income (considering the degree, natural abilities, and my friends' salaries - it's been 8 years since college). My feet just survived me moving and if they continue to improve I may find an engineering job. This could mean I no longer work on heelspurs.com. heelspurs.com is probably the most important work I'll ever accomplish, and yet get paid the least. It's very strange how the more you get paid for something, the less it benefits other people. For example, the more profitable I make heelspurs.com, the less valuable it becomes: placing products sales ahead of information and banner ads being annoying.

Message Number 10769

Re: Request for enhancement to ScottRe Ibuprofen Cream
Posted by on 9/08/99
Hi Scott: Just for your info, I tried to order the cream through the link so that this site would get the necessary credit, but they have been out of stock for a few weeks now. I am anxiously awaiting the day that they say it can be shipped, as many on the board have had positive things to say about it. (Probably the reason sales have dropped is that they are just plain out of stock.)
Nancy T.

Message Number 10821

Ibuprofen Cream
Posted by Nancy T. on 9/10/99
Finally received my shipment of Ibuprofen Cream from LifeExtension, which had been on backorder for a few weeks. I know that this question has been answered somewhere before, but since instructions are in German (which I am not), can someone tell me how many times a day this should be applied.

Message Number 10830

Re: Ibuprofen Cream
Posted by Laura G. on 9/10/99
I've asked a German friend of mine to translate the entire thing - that hasn't happened yet, but as soon as it does, I'll post the whole text.

Message Number 10832

Re: Ibuprofen Cream
Posted by Nancy T. on 9/10/99
Thank you, Laura!!!

Message Number 10874

Re: Ibuprofen Cream
Posted by Laura G. on 9/11/99
Well, don't thank me until you see the translation! ;-)

Message Number 10875

Re: Ibuprofen Cream
Posted by Nancy T. on 9/11/99
As long as I don't have to swallow it.

Message Number 10912

Re: Ibuprofen Cream
Posted by Yvonne C on 9/13/99
Nancy, I have been using the cream for a couple of months now. I apply it first thing in the morning and last thing at night. I keep mine in the fridge, as it is very comforting when applied, nice and cool which heels with the burning.

Message Number 10918

Re: Ibuprofen Cream-To Yvonne
Posted by nancy T. on 9/13/99
What a super idea. I just put mine in the refrigerator, and am looking forward to applying it tonite when my feet are burning the most. Will apply twice a day until directions are translated to English. Thanks again!

Message Number 10985

Re: Ibuprofen Cream
Posted by Chuck of Arizona on 9/15/99
You can translate german to english for free at

https://www.altavista.com/

Once there, click on translation, pick german to english, and type in the box the german that you want translated. Although the translations do not make perfect sense (due to differences in the way sentences are constructed in the different languages) you can usually figure out what they are saying.

Message Number 11007

Re: Ibuprofen Cream-to Chuck
Posted by Nancy T. on 9/16/99
Chuck: Thank you. I got it partially translated through this site. Directions are to apply 3-4 times a day or more often if needed.

Message Number 11088

Re: Ibuprofen Cream
Posted by iris on 9/20/99
having read concerns about using the creme without being able to read german, i asked my friend to translate the information for me.
use 3-4 times daily - more often if necessary - use 1 1/2 inches - 4 inches of creme. if rash or itch occurs, stop using. no one under the age of 14. do not use on an open wound. do not use in pregnant or if you have allergies. hope this helps everyone.

Message Number 11106

Ibuprofen Cream Translation!
Posted by Laura G on 9/21/99
Sorry it took so long. Thanks to my good friend, Sabine, for doing this translation for us!

DOLGIT Cr�me

COMPOSITION:

100 grams of DOLGIT contain 5 g Ibuprofen in an oil/water emulsion.
Methyl-4-hydrozybenzoate-sodium, medium-chained/linked (?) triglyceride, Polyethlenglycolglycerol fatty acid etc.

INDICATIONS:

For external and supporting treatment of Muscle rheumatism, degenerative painful diseases of the joints (arthroses), inflammable rheumatic diseases of the joints and the spine, swelling or inflammation of the joint-near soft parts (e.g., mucous ..... (bags), tendons, carpal tunnels, ligaments and glenoid cavity/capsule), stiffness of the shoulder, backache, lumbago, sport and accident traumata such as bruises, sprains, and pulling.

CONTRAINDICATIONS:

DOLGIT should not be taken when patient is hypersensitive with regard to Ibuprofen or other drugs that act in a comparable manner. Patients with hypersensitivity towards Propylenglycol and/or the preservative
Methyl-4-hydroxybenzoate-sodium should not be treated with DOLGIT creme.
Patients that are prone to allergic reaction should not be treated with DOLGIT creme.
Don't apply DOLGIT on open wounds or on mucous membranes.
DOLGIT should not be applied for a prolonged time or to a larger area of the skin during the last third of pregnancy, because systemic reactions cannot be excluded. In this case inhibition of labor and an increased inclination for bleeding are possible. Although there are as of yet no indication for teratogenous reactions (malformations), DOLGIT should not be applied during the first and the second third of pregnancy for a prolonged time to larger areas. DOLGIT should not be used during times of breast feeding.

SIDE EFFECTS:

In rare cases, reddening, itching, burning, rashes, also with formation of pustules and hives, appear.
In extremely rare cases, predisposed patients may experience bronchi-spastic reactions.

INTERACTIONS WITH OTHER MEDICATION:

Not known.

DOSAGE:

If not indicated otherwise, apply a 1.5 to 4 inch long strip of cr�me over a large area of the skin, three to four times a day, or more often if necessary. DOLGIT cr�me can be used in conjunction with DOLGIT 400/600/800 as supporting treatment.

ADMINISTRATION:

Apply DOLGIT cr�me to the skin and rub lightly. In the case of large
haematoma and sprains, the application of an airtight bandage might be
useful during the initial treatment. An increased penetration of the active ingredients into the skin can be achieved through application of iontophoresis (a special kind of electrotherapy). In this case DOLGIT cr�me has to be applied below the cathode. The electric current should be 0.1 to 0.5 mA per 2.5-square inch area. Length of application until about 15 minutes.

DURATION OF USE:

Duration of use is determined by the physician. In most cases, a daily application over the period of two to three weeks is sufficient.
One should not use DOLGIT cr�me after shelf life is passed.

PROPERTIES:

DOLGIT cr�me is a highly effective drug for the external treatment of
rheumatic and non-rheumatic pain in the area of the motoric apparatus. For Ibuprofen is dissolved in the base of the cr�me it is easily absorbed by the skin and directly reaches the affected tissue.
DOLGIT cr�me alleviates pain and inhibits inflammation. The mobility
increases perceptively. DOLGIT cr�me is kind to one's skin, easily
applicable and has a pleasant fragrance.

SIZES:

Packages with 40, 50, and 100 grams (and larger ones for hospitals).

Message Number 11109

Re: Ibuprofen Cream Translation!
Posted by Lee H on 9/21/99
Do you know if the Ibuprofen Cream is an over the counter drug or prescription only in the USA?

Message Number 11121

Re: Ibuprofen Cream Translation!
Posted by Nancy T. on 9/21/99
Thank you, Laura!

Message Number 11140

Re: Ibuprofen Cream Translation!
Posted by Laura G. on 9/22/99
As far as I know, it's available in the U.S., but in just a few states. I cannot get it in Texas at all. I tried. However, I know a couple of people in the forum here have had success in obtaining it in the U.S.

I think in my case, it was just easier to get it this way than keep getting turned down by doctors unwilling to write a prescription for it. Also, even if you get a prescription, you have to find a compounding pharmacy to make it up for you.

Message Number 11412

Re: essential oils to treat P.F.
Posted by Bea on 10/01/99
I'll throw this out for what it is worth. I have been reading this board for about 6 months and have tried about 90% of the suggestions, Glucosomine, Ibuprofen Cream, oil of oregano(Really smelly) arthroflex cream, all not cheap and I find that they all help some. I think just massaging with a cream helps and is soothing but nothing applied topically cures. I have spent much money on exxpensive creams and I think that any cream works as well. Just a thought.

Message Number 11425

What has worked for me ( a little long, sorry)
Posted by Sarah on 10/02/99
After working with a personal trainer who holds a college degree in kinesology I have found tremendous improvement in my plantar faciitis/heelspur (I have been diagnosed with both, in both feet) condition. I have experienced pain for over two years and last winter reached my worst (8-9 on pain scale). Here is what has brought me to a pain level of 0-1 on any given day in the last month in a half. Most recently, I have given up my custom orthodics because after three adjustments my left foot is very irritated by it. I have been using Spenco inserts purchased at an athletic store. I also have been going barefoot in the mornings and evenings w/o pain. This was a big no for me just two months ago, but my feet are feeling GREAT!!!:

1. Surgical Podiatrist brought me to a 2-5 pain scale relief w/ traditional methods. Two cortisone shots in one heel, one in the other reduced severe inflammation and did help me. Work w/ a physical therapist on right foot helped too. Custom orthodics worn daily and never going barefoot also helped for a long time. These treatments only brought me so far and doctor told me next step was surgery.

2. Ice. I would ice twice a day and still do after walking any distance, working with trainer, or playing tennis to prevent inflammation.

3. Eliminating breads and pasta. A lower carb diet has allowed my body not to build up excess lactic acid which gets stored in muscles and causes tightening and cramping. I noticed a significant improvement within three days of this shift in my diet.

4. Morning stretches such as a runner's stretch in the shower and toe raises on the edge of a step.

5. Ibuprofen Cream. I apply this in the morning right after my shower, after rigorous exercise, and in the evening right before bed, (always after I have iced).

6. Working with a QUALIFIED personal trainer. I am lucky that financially I could afford this option. My trainer holds a college degree in Kinesology and played football for Michigan and the New England Patriots. He is the most fit person I have ever met and knows a tremendous amount about health, nutrition, and working out. While we are working on all muscle groups, he has customized my workout to help safely stretch the muscles connected the plantar fasciitis. He asks at every meeting how my feet are feeling and if there was anything that could have hurt them. One exercise did and we stopped doing it. I use the stationary bike for 30 minutes a day when I am not seeing him and have recently begun extended walking one day a week and doing a tennis workout another day without problems. I think the work he has done with me has been very helpful. I am already 10 pounds down on the scale.

Currently, I am exploring holistic medicine approach. Western medicine IMHO is only one fraction of the puzzle which did help up to a certain point. The benefits from a simple shift in diet have me considering what other possibilities could account for this foot condition. When my doctor said that he had done all he could do for me I wasn't ready for surgery. I felt compelled to exhaust all available resources in a sensible way which is why many of us have come to this board. Gordon's Leaky Gut Syndrome theory (if you will) bears some points and evidence worth investigating. Ancient Chinese Medicine has been around for centuries for a reason. The idea of my foot pain being a symptom of other issues beyond my tendon/muscle being too short doesn't explain the problem in its entirety for me. Could my foot pain be brought on by digestion related issues? Possibly. Reflexology may support some of my beliefs about this problem's source too. Polarity my help also. I don't know, but I ask you all to open your minds to a wider range of possibilities than Western medicine will allow. Good luck to all!

Sarah

Message Number 12192

10 yr. old w/PF
Posted by Kim V. on 10/31/99
My 10yr.old son is a x-country runner who is currently preparing for the national Jr. Olympics in Dec. He has an excellent coach who is extremely careful to train properly given the chilrens' ages. My son was diagnosed yesterday from a reputable orthopedic doc., with PF(very mild). He is going to proceed with a modified running schedule and physical therapy (3x) of ultrasound and ROM stretching exercises. The doc also recommended ALEVE or ADVIL 2x daily for pain. I saw the mention of Ibuprofen Cream. Any thoughts on that or other suggestions/comments for one so young? He is a very dedicated runner and swears his pain is minimal, only noticing it when he runs up an incline (his pain is located where his big toe joins onto the the lft. foot and he is flat footed). Thanks for any suggestions or help.

Message Number 12533

LEF: Ibuprofen scam???
Posted by melissab on 11/11/99
Anyone else read about Ibuprofen Cream here, order it from LEF, and still be trying to actually *get* the product a month and one-half later? I just got off the phone for a *third* time with LEF, having spoken to numerous folks each time, to be assured a shipping problem/customs problem was corrected and the cream would be shipped on X date, only to have X date come and go...... and no cream. Any suggestions on OTHER places to get this or similar cream??? This is getting ridiculous..... I have better places for my $28.00 if they aren't even going to *send* me the product........ SHEESH!

Message Number 12547

Can You Make Ibuprofen Cream?
Posted by Bobbi J on 11/11/99
This may sound dumb--but is it possible to make your own Ibuprofen Cream? I don't have a degree in Pharmacology--maybe someone here does--but is it possible to just grind/melt down some Ibuprofen and mix it with some foot massage cream? I'm going to give it a try just for the heck of it.

Message Number 12549

Re: Can You Make Ibuprofen Cream?
Posted by Scott R on 11/11/99
I've tried crushing it and putting it in DMSO. DMSO by itself works so well, it's hard to know if it works better with the ibuprofen. There are other carrier compounds, but supposedly they've figured out the ideal compounds and concentrations in the dolgit cream. I've heard other anti-inflammatory creams work. (aspercream?)

Message Number 12576

ketoprofen cream
Posted by johnv on 11/13/99
Several messages have discussed difficulties in obtaining Ibuprofen Cream--a podiatrist prescribed some ketoprofen (10%) cream, which seems to provide some relief. Not all pharmacies carry it--I think they mix it up in a sink in the back room or something.

Message Number 12615

Re: Can You Make Ibuprofen Cream?
Posted by Gary M on 11/13/99
I had my pharmacist mix up some Ibuprofen Cream. He had to order in the Ibuprofen powder (or whatever). He mixed five percent Ibuprofen into 100 grams of Base Glaxal Creme. Cost for the 100g was C$12.98

Unfortunately, the mix had no effect. Yet Ibuprofen tablets give signifiant relief - but my stomach can't handle them.

Any opinions out there on the Ibuprofen concentration of 5%?

Regards, Gary

Message Number 12698

Re: ketoprofen cream
Posted by Scott R on 11/15/99
Did the doctors and pharmacists say why they think it cannot absorb through the skin? In reviewing the messages posted here, the Ibuprofen Cream has a higher success rate than anything else reported anywhere. The only problem is that there aren't enough responses to be sure that it's not a statistical error. If it's not the ibuprofen, then it could be the carrier compound the product is using (like DMSO in veterinary medicine) and the ibuprofen is just a marketing gimmick. Are ketaprofen and ibuprofen so different that one can absorb and one not? When the chemical names end the same way, they are of the same class of compounds, with similar biological properties.

Message Number 12722

Soooo Much Pain...
Posted by Tammy L on 11/15/99
I have suffered from PF for just over a year now. I was born with a list of foot and leg problems. I read on this site all about this Ibuprofen Cream. Is this available in Canada? I have tried everything, you name it. In the morning the pain is so severe that I cannot walk, and been in so much pain I can't get to the bathroom. Right now, I am on anti-inflamatories, to get the swelling down, then its on to cortisone, to control for a few months. The next option and only one at this point is surgery. My supervisor just had it and she said it was the most painful thing she has experienced, but now she is starting to heal and its not so bad. If anyone has suggestions that will help, please forward them on. E-Mail is tammy-stephane.lingen-mainville@sympatico.ca. Please help me. I am so desperate for a cure. I presently have orthotics, do physio, stretching, icing.

Sooo much Pain...

Message Number 13152

Ibuprofen Cream delays
Posted by Scott R on 11/26/99
If you ordered the Ibuprofen Cream more than 3 weeks ago, have you received it? I'm still waiting on mine (nearly 3 months).

Message Number 13165

Re: Ibuprofen Cream delays
Posted by rekha.s on 11/27/99
I ordered mine about a month ago and still havent received it. When I call them they say that it is on backorder.

Message Number 13166

Re: Ibuprofen Cream delays
Posted by DanW on 11/27/99
Scott, have you tried aspercreme? It really has made a difference in my condition. Also has anyone been taking the suplement arginine? This is also been a great help to me.

Message Number 13179

Re: Ibuprofen Cream delays
Posted by Marti C on 11/28/99
Still waiting on mine also, it has been at least a month.

Message Number 13214

Re: Ibuprofen Cream delays
Posted by John B on 11/29/99

I finally got my order. It took about 3 months.

Message Number 13231

Re: Ibuprofen Cream gets an honor
Posted by troy on 11/30/99
i bought some and i was e-mailed and called and told it would be at least a month before i got it??????????we'll see what happens.......

Message Number 13712

Re: my symptoms and questions (long)-- perhaps important for atypical pf'ers
Posted by john h (long) on 12/14/99
a short history of my problem: i had been running for 6-7 years about 25-30 miles a week including local 5k and 10k races. for about 2 years before my pain begin i was running a lot up and down steep hills because that is the terrain around here. one day i developed a slight burning pain in my foot. i ignored it as it went away when i finished running. i then developed achilles tendonitis which after several months was cured. the hot feet problem continued and gradually got worse until about a year later i had what was diagnosed as PF. i was prescribed hard orthotics and anti-inflamatories. got a little better and started running again. shortly after i was in chronic pain in both feet with the pain centered just forward of the heel in the arch area. i never had early morning pain with the first step and could not punch on a spot an recreate pain. i know my gait changed when i pulled my achilles and runing up and down hills probably was the cause of my problems. my instincts tell me that tts was or is not my problem however that is just instinct. a message thearapist was pressing real hard recently and did find a spot which did produce pain (where the band of fascia from the big toe attaches to the heel). this is directly over a nerve called the "baxter nerve" named after a well known surgeon who produced the PF surgery called the "Baxter Procedure" (which is what i had). A small section of fascia directly over the nerve is removed. Carl lewis the world class runner had this procedure perfomed and continued to win races. My doctor said that the science in PF studies indicate this nerve is frequently the cause of PF pain. It is possible that some of us may have nerve damage from overuse or long term chronic conditions. Of course continued microtears in the fascia can produce pain and would require a different approach. I currently take celebrex (i do not think it helps). were birk sandals at home (they help), wear Joseph Seibel shoes to work without orthotics. ice generally each night. wear a night splint (think it helps). do minimal stretching as it seems to make it worse. ride a bike 30-40 minutes a day 3-4 days a week and do stretching and some weights. i am in the midst of accupuncture and have had to treatments. i am prepared to go to 10 treatments. my dr says it will take a year to know the final results of the surgery. i also use the whirlpool at the healthclub and think there is some benefit to massage if not to vigorous. if you have tts you would not want a vigorus massage around your ankle. i use the Ibuprofen Cream but doubt it is helping. i have felt good for a week at a time and then would do something stupid like walk 3 miles and set me right back. i will continue on my bike until i feel zero pain (hopefully).

Message Number 14612

Ibuprofen Cream
Posted by Scott R on 1/11/2000
does the instructions for the Ibuprofen Cream instructions contain an address or telephone number or other company contact info? i need to look into selling it myself.

Message Number 14651

Re: Ibuprofen Cream
Posted by Marti C on 1/12/2000
Scott, mine didnot come with instructions.On the side of the tube I will give you what it reads:DOLORGIET
Arzneimittel 53754 St. Augustin/Bonn
I dont know if that will help, but thats all I could find on the box and the tube itself. Marti

Message Number 14663

Re: Ibuprofen Cream
Posted by Bea K on 1/12/2000
I have the insert and the address Marti C gives is on it and the rest of the text is in German. Since I am rather computer illiterate I would be happy to send it snail mail to you if you would like. Let me know your address by e-mail.

Message Number 14785

Re: Why do people not understand?!?
Posted by Stuart B on 1/15/2000
I tell people it's like having real bad tooth ache in my feet for 3 years! That gets them understanding. It's an odd thing to have though. I have recently found that the Ibuprofen Cream helps, you have to put lots on an rub it well in morning and night.

Message Number 14792

more info-- and call for research
Posted by alan k on 1/15/2000
This is what the parkrx.com website has to say about the compounds they make:

Tansdermal research has given us the ability to compound Percutaneous (Transdermal) Gels which allows medication to be absorbed through the skin for almost immediate results. These gels can be formulated to contain combinations of ingredients that provide quick relief without unwanted side effects such as: sedation, impaired cognitive function, stomach upset and ulceration, etc.

Because pain, no matter what its origin, is multifactiorial, pharmacological interventions must use a multifaceted approach to provide better control.

Our compounding pharmacists, working with your physician, have the ability to identify multiple agents together with different actions to increase pain control and decrease adverse drug effects and intercations.

Let's look at some of the agents we are currently using to compound pain relieving formulations:

Non-steroidal Anti-inflammatory Drugs (NSAID's): such as ketoprofen, diclofenac and piroxicam
Muscle Relaxants: such as cyclobenzaprine
Lidocaine
Ketamine
Gabapentin
Amantadine
Amitriptyline
Clonidine
Oxytocin

***************

I don't know what any of this stuff is, but some of it like the NSAIDs would work like Ibuprofen Cream and might be effective for pf. For nerve problems, some of the other medications might work-- a neurologist, good doctor or good podiatrist (rumored to exist) might know.

I have to get to work-- maybe someone with time on their hands might research the drugs listed here so that we could find out what might help those of us with pf, nerve entrapements, tts and all of the above. That info might be helpful in prodding the script writers for the prescription.

thanks, alan k

Message Number 14905

To Scott, re. Ibuprofen Cream
Posted by Stuart B on 1/19/2000
Hi Scott,
you were looking for a contact for this stuff, so off my English tube of IBULEVE here is the contact info.
Distributed by: DDD Ltd. 94 Rickmansworth Road, Watford, Herts, WD1 7JJ, UK.

Message Number 16729

Ibuprofen Cream
Posted by Mark R on 3/02/2000
I am a PF sufferer since August '99 and I am trying to heal before my Fall flag football season. I have recently bought the Ibuprofen Cream and was wondering if there is a good time to use the cream (morning or night)or does it matter at all? Also, should I be icing every day or only when my heel is bothering me? Thank you!

Message Number 16740

Re: Ibuprofen Cream
Posted by YvonneC on 3/02/2000
Mark, I also purchased the cream. I don't use it anymore, but when I did, I kept it in the fridge as it was nice and refreshing to massage the cool cream into my feet at the end of the day. I used it mornings, evening and just before bed, I must admit I didn't find any real difference. I now Ice every morning and evening and find this to be better, along with massage morning and evening. I hope this helps.

Searching file...

Message Number 17338

Re: A question for my fellow sufferers?
Posted by Scott R on 3/15/2000
Hi Pookie,
I'm glad to see people providing links, but the Ibuprofen Cream provides income for me (your heelspurs.com host) if the links on the home page are used instead of direct links to LEF. I modified your message to give the link that pays.

Message Number 17541

Plantar fasciitis and subsequent tarsal tunnel tennis player
Posted by dfeet A. on 3/19/2000
Hi, i'm new, but a sufferer of what began as plantar fasc. and progressed to tarsal tunnel in both feet. i went from a very active tennis player and athletic person who now can only count the hours until my next physical therapy session! Please, if anyone has any further suggestions about coping with these disorders, or has any adjunctive treatment modalities it would be greatly appreciated. Unfortunately, my job requires that i spend a lot of time on my feet and uses fine motor skills and coordination; therefore, medications that interfere with nerve impulses are out. I've been using the Ibuprofen Cream regularly, icing, oral anti-inflammatories, etc., but to only mild if any relief. Any suggestions? Please help. Thanks.

Message Number 17542

Message Number 17652

Re: Have you tried chiropractic care?
Posted by dfeet on 3/21/2000
No, haven't tried chiro, but my PT has been doing ultrasound(phonophoresis), deep massage, manual manipulation, stretching and traction. I get about a day and a halve of relief, ie., dull pain as opposed to the gnawing , cut your feet off type of pain. I hope we somehow get better. I know that tts is directly related to the inflamation surrounding the posterior tibial nerve, so anything that decreases the inflam. will help. Have you been using the Ibuprofen Cream? I find this to be helpful. Also, taking 800mg ibuprofen by mouth at night affords some relief. Good luck, and thanks for the input!

Message Number 18232

Re: PF-my little program
Posted by ChrisO on 4/03/2000
Don't waste ANOTHER minute with depression! I know I sound glib but I'm serious. I really did get very close to depression and was limping about the house in sweats for too many days. However, I do have a good 'take charge' personality and got sick of getting nowhere - so here's my little program:

1. Stretch calf muscles very slightly before getting up. I do this by holding my feet up at 90 degrees for a count of 10, 5 times. Then I do ten easy ankle rotations one way, then the other. I repeat that routine twice, or as I get stronger, 3 or 4 times. The focus is on warming up not on actually stretching.
2. Step immediately into wedge clogs or shoes when getting up.
3. After the morning hustle/bustle, I sit down and do the following routine: 1. Towel scrunch with toes (described somewhere in this website). I honestly could not do even one scrunch when I started - I was shocked! Now, after a month, I'm doing four sets of 35 scrunches. 2. Pick up marbles with your toes - . I have 50 marbles - 25 per foot- drop them in a bowl. Again, on beginning I couldn't pick up even one marble. I was truly amazed because I thought that, as an athlete, especially a runner, I'd be strong of feet! But my research taught me that my athletic stuff was only abusing my feet and high arches, not strengthening them. 3. Massage in Ibuprofen Cream (ordered by link on this website) with a heavy-duty electric massager that I happen to have, for five minutes each foot. I was and am hesitant to do much more upon reading that massage could irritate too much. 4. Stretch. Non weight-bearing. I devised my own stretch but I'm sure it's not uncommom; to isolate the stretch to the calf, I sit with my feet against a wall at 90 degrees. My back is also at 90 degrees. I bend slightly forward at the hips (no rounding the back) until I feel the stretch in the calf. I hold the stretch for 30 seconds and do it six times. As I've improved, I've put a magazine under my toes to force a very slight increase in the stretch angle. But frankly, I'm trying very hard to not stretch too much or force anything - again per what I've read here.
I do this routine again in the evenings and, if I've been active through the day, I add ten minutes of icing.
Everything I've been doing is as a direct result of all I've read here. Last, I visited my PT today and got a rubberized band with instructions on how to use it to add strengthing exercises. I just cannot believe how weak my lower legs and feet were! And now, I swear I feel reborn. For me, the real key has been to commit to treatment! I kept half-trying before without being really committed to it. Well, I've changed my tune.
As a postscript - I had houseguests last week so went off my 'program' for about ten days - plus did a little too much walking around - that was not good. The PF rears its ugly head in no time so I'm really coming to understand just how long this is going to take!

Message Number 18391

Next Step?
Posted by Hop-a-long on 4/06/2000
I don't know what to do next. Suffering w/ PF for over a year in left foot. I've tried all the conservative treatments as well as a round of shots. Ibuprofen Cream, shoes, inserts,stretching exercises, etc. The more I walk/exercise the worse it gets. Even when I do nothing, heel throbs with pain. Can't take anti-inflammatories, but celebrex provides minimal relief. Podiatrist wants to do partial release endoscopic surgery, but that scares me. Will it do more harm than good? I'm at my wits end with this pain. What's my next step? Appreciate any advice.

Message Number 19651

Re: eswt- high or low View Thread
Posted by Martha B. on 4/30/00 at 13:54
Fortunately,I am one of the good stats on the ossatron! I have continued to report that I have improved dramatically since the Sept. treatment. Jennh is doing fine also and playing rugby again. Mohez has not been as fortunate-you are correct when you said he had all sorts of testing prior to the ossatron.I haven't heard much from him since the 2nd treatment. Previously he had the Dornier done and that didnt help him at all.
My Story
Bi-lateral Pf 18 months prior to ossatron,tried 7 PAINFUL cortisone injections,acupuncture, chiro,orthotics,electrical impulse gadget,massage/reflexology,4 different antiinflams(vioxx helped), Ibuprofen Cream and anything else I heard about. I seemed like many of you who went 1 step forward and 2 steps back. My doctor didn't want surgery and neither did I BUT he didn't have any other suggestions either. Thought I was going to have to quit my job ,which I didn't want to do so when I heard about ossatron we sacrificed the $$$ and time to go. It really did work for me! I only wish that it would for some of the others. Your time is not up yet so DON'T give up!
I may not post much but I truly have not forgotten about you guys!! I still read the posts almost daily. My prayers and thoughts are with you.Take care!
posted to the eswt board . . . keyword:

Message Number 19683

pain moved, is still pf ? View Thread
Posted by Brenda K on 4/30/00 at 21:06
When the acucpuncture Dr. said heel spur, Plantar Fasciitis, my pain was in the classic medial in front of heel location, right foot only. Since two visits to my Chiro, the pain has moved, the medial pain is much better, but pain is now usually a burning pain, and has moved to middle and lateral side of heel. The left heel now has a burning pain also. By the end of the day I am usually limping, especially After my 15 min. break. I usually ice in evening. I'm using the Ibuprofen Cream, morning and night. I also started Bromelein a week ago. I put on my Birk sandals as soon as I get home. Have some Birk shoes on order.

Message Number 19987

Muscle Atrophy due to cortizone View Thread
Posted by Colleen G on 5/07/00 at 20:32
I started physical therapy last week. My therapist noticed signs of atrophy in the muscle and soft tissue. SHe also suspects TTS. SHe told me to see another doctor. Which I already had. Anyway, I had an appointment the day after my PT evaluation and mentioned what the PT said. He had me take off both of my shoes and compared both feet and confirmed what the PT had said. They both feel that it is from too many cortizone injections. NOt sure exactly what this means but I have another appointment with the orthopedic surgeon on May 31.

For now PT is painful. She is doing electric stimualation. Very annoying. Along with ultra sound with Ibuprofen Cream. That felt great. Too bad ultra sound was before the electric stimualation.

Well, I need to write a request from the DPM that performed my open fasciotemy for my records.

Message Number 20153

Ibuprofen dosage View Thread
Posted by Barb T. on 5/10/00 at 13:27
Does anyone know the correct dosage of Ibuprofen when used for inflammation. I am using 1600mg a day...does this seem correct. Also, has anyone had any success with the Ibuprofen Cream...thanks

Message Number 20160

Re: Ibuprofen dosage View Thread
Posted by cindyp on 5/10/00 at 14:37
That is strange. When I was on the ibuprofen route in attempt to cure, I was on 4000mg a day 800mg at a time. I went to look for Ibuprofen Cream to help cut down on the having to take medicine, couldn't find it. Now am taking currently indomethacin 50mg twice a day and elavil 25mg at night. Doesn't work but makes me sleepy.

Message Number 20162

Re: Ibuprofen Cream View Thread
Posted by ChrisO on 5/10/00 at 14:41
You won't be able to find the Ibuprofen Cream at a store - it's not available in the US. It's from Germany. You can order it here, via Scott's site on his 'products' page. I've been using it for a few months - I can't tell for sure if it's helping but it's nice to massage with.

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Message Number 20531

Re: ART - to Patty and Chris - I am feeling little improvement after two ART sessions View Thread
Posted by ChrisO on 5/18/00 at 09:42
Hi Helen - I think it took me 3 or 4 ART's to start feeling some relief. The first three were quite painful but it's lessened progressively since. I've had about 9 now, I think and I've gotten to the point where I practically crave them! I think that the ART has been the single most effective thing I've done to date.
I also ice 2 or 3 times a day, apply Ibuprofen Cream after that and do some gently stretching by simply pushing my big toe back gently, no hold, about 30 to 40 times. I'm one of the 'lucky' ones who doesn't have small children (I sure miss that, though!) but I can completely understand your frustration and not being able to take the little one on a simple walk! Perhaps you could play in the grass with him instead? Best wishes.

Message Number 21085

Ibuprofen Cream View Thread
Posted by Pauline on 5/30/00 at 18:50
I ordered my first tube of the Ibuprofen Cream off the net. I can't
say that I noticed a big difference from using it, but to be on the
safe side I decided to have my husband pick up more on his recent
trip to Germany.

Cost there about $8-10 per big tube. Less than half the cost on the
net. Seems like we should be able to continue to get this for less if we could make contact with someone in Germany. What about those
of you who go for conferences etc. taking orders. Keep it non-profit---an act of random kindness for those in need.

Message Number 21087

Re: Ibuprofen Cream View Thread
Posted by Angie on 5/30/00 at 19:03
Pauline- I have been using the Ibuprofen Cream for 3 months now. I honestly cannot say there has been a noticable difference while using it. Massage has really helped me much more than the cream also icing it. My birk sandals are great and have helped my pain tremendously. I realize some people cannot wear birks but they have helped me. Angie

Message Number 21089

Re: Ibuprofen Cream View Thread
Posted by Scott R on 5/30/00 at 19:15
The Ibuprofen Cream probably isn't going to help if it doesn't work in a couple of hours. It has to be imported which is one reason its expensive. I'm working on getting another supplier. The company doesn't seem very interested in selling to the U.S.

Message Number 21099

Re: Ibuprofen Cream View Thread
Posted by Helene M on 5/31/00 at 07:42
Is there a reason why ibufrofen cream isn't manufactured in the U.S.?

Message Number 21101

Re: Ibuprofen Cream View Thread
Posted by Pauline on 5/31/00 at 09:13
Helen,
Probably like everything else. They are protecting us from something.
You know like eating it, rubbing it in your eye, putting it up your nose and finally because there is more money in perscription pain relievers and anti-inflammatories.

Message Number 21102

Re: Ibuprofen Cream View Thread
Posted by Scott R on 5/31/00 at 09:14
The drug companies haven't spent the money to get it FDA approved for topical use because its patent has expired and there wouldn't be enough profit to justify the expense. Otherwise, it's widely recognized as beneficial and available in other countries.

Message Number 21105

Re: Ibuprofen Cream View Thread
Posted by ChrisO on 5/31/00 at 10:10
Hi Pauline - I just ordered my second supply of Ibuprofen Cream. Like everything else, I can't say that it alone has been effective. But, like everything else, I just keep it as part of my long-term therapy. I've been using BenGay while awaiting the arrival of this second order but I find it too hot on the skin in general.
If I decide to continue with the Ibuprofen Cream after this second round, I SURE hope our Scott can find another supplier! Makes one wish one had relatives in Germany!

Message Number 21119

Re: Ibuprofen Cream View Thread
Posted by SandyS on 5/31/00 at 16:28
I love to see someone else praise their Birks. I just bought my first pair about a month ago and I wear them everyday. I can't even stand to wear my New Balance running shoes anymore all I want to wear is Birks. I just bought my second pair this weekend. I really need to dress nicer for work but I can't stand my other shoes, so it's khakis and birk sandles everyday. Does anyone have any other brands that are dressier yet feel like the birks? Icing also helps, if I'd just stick to it. Stretching helps, if I'd just stick to it. I haven't tried the Ibuprofen Cream or massage....yet.

Message Number 21124

Re: Ibuprofen Cream from the UK View Thread
Posted by Scott R on 5/31/00 at 17:15
One of their web pages says they sell only to the UK. They don't have a state or country blank, but they state shipping charges for north america. I ordered some to see if it would work. These aren't the Dolgit type, but maybe they are as good. As my home page says, I have it on the best authority available that the Dolgit is the best. Maybe there is some place in Mexico (Mike W tells me it's not sold in Canada).

Message Number 21126

tts,emg, hi! busy busy busy(long) View Thread
Posted by dfeet on 5/31/00 at 17:38
Hi, everyone! I've been out of the scene for some time. Since I've been gone, I feel like I've made a little progress, but I've had some set backs-on and off. I saw Angie's post about tts and Cindyp's post about emgs. Tts sucks. So does PF. I have(had) both, and been tested(EMG). I seem to have more TTS now than PF. The TTS is usually confirmed by an EMG test. My test wasn't so bad. Yes, the neurologist used me as a pin cushion, but it really wasn't too bad(He did say ,however, that I had a strong tolerance for pain-that probably is why I'm so pig headed when it comes to rest. Being a type-A doesn't help matters either.)
I've been trying to pay close attention to what works and what doesn't. What seems to work for me :(in no particular order)

1.shoes: Merrel jungle mocs($99.99)-very cushy, good support
2. semi-rigid custom orthotics(leather type $300.00) in my mocs
3. REST-whenever I can(this is probably the most important,but very difficult for me)
4.trying to keep positive(most difficult for me)
5. gentle stretching
6. my PT
7. my orthopedic foot and ankle specialist
8. icing
9.night splints-every night
10.Ibuprofen and Ibuprofen Cream-daily
11. trying to stay active
12.LISTENING to my body(sometimes it's screaming-my type-A interfering)
13. This message board
I'm certain that i've left some stuff out, but this message board has realy helped. I always feel like i'm missing so much when I'm away from it. It is always so informative, and I especially like the varied opinoins. Thanks to everyone who contributes. You are making a difference in people's lives.

Message Number 21441

Re: Ibuprofen Cream View Thread
Posted by Rock Cogar on 6/06/00 at 15:19
I use AsperCreme (cheap, maybe $4 at Wallmart) and it works well in reducing PF inflamation. I do wonder if the massage action used to rub the stuff in is doing a portion of the benifit I get from the AsperCreme.

Message Number 21560

Long suffering BRIT View Thread
Posted by UK Mark on 6/09/00 at 05:43
I have had back pain for about 17 years and foot pain for 7 years. After studying pain management teqniques I just about cope although the chronic pain has given me depression which can somtimes stop me doing anything.

The problem I have is never being given a real diagnosis. To experience this much pain and not know the cause makes it hard to know what the best treatment is.

I have had x-rays on my back and blood tests which are OK.
My doctor says I have PF and suggests injections which I have refused because of their linited effectiveness. I don't feel I have been investigated enough for the foot problem and the doctor won't refer me for any scans.

I have had massage and tried Ibuprofen Cream without much effect. Stretching and swimming help a little to prevent tightning-up, the swimming feels great at the time as the weight is off my feet

I really feel I must do all I can to ease the pain but dont know how to get a proper diagnosis.
Can anyone suggest anything. Also are there any other Brits on the message board or British sites like this one.

Message Number 21743

I'm responsible....... View Thread
Posted by JudyS on 6/13/00 at 01:55
Hi folks - I've been away from my computer for the last three days (birthday bash and all.....)so just caught up with you. Today is my actual BD and I treated myself to a mile-long jog.........it was breathless heaven! I did the ice, massage, etc. and so far have no painful after-effects. I swear that the smartest thing I've done so far for sore arches is stop wearing the orthotics! I did that about ten days ago and it has made a world of difference. They had created/increased arch pain so much it was ridiculous - above and beyond the heel spur thing! Now my arches are about 65% better with some occasional spasms. I've also been faithfully stretching them (non weight-bearing), massaging them and icing them about three times a day. My order of Ibuprofen Cream has not yet arrived so I'm substituting that "IcyHot" gel and I find it quite effective.

Scott, et al, I apologize sincerely because I'm really the party responsible for the message board having been sidetracked with my silly 'name' contest. I will be better and, by the way, thank you all so much for your Birthday greetings ( I got my first emailed exploding birthday cake from Nancy!).
As far as the possibility of alienating new visitors to the board I thought the point was a good one but I also sort of thought that, if I was new to the Board, the first thing I'd think upon seeing the silliness was that it would not just be an information source, but a friendly information source and I'd want to jump right in and be a part of it. Anyway, again, my apologies Scott and thank you so very much for providing something that really does help us not just help our condition, but gives us an emotional uplift as well.

Message Number 21882

Re: I need a distributor for Ibuprofen Cream View Thread
Posted by Stephanie S. on 6/15/00 at 18:04
Scott...I have a few pharmacist friends...I'll ask
them about it.

Do you remember Suburban Pharmacy...it reminds me of
a place where they would "make" it for you. I know they
"made" the best diaper rash creme known to man...haha

I'll let you know if I find out anything worthwhile...
Stephanie S.

Message Number 21891

Re: Attn: Scott I need a distributor for Ibuprofen Cream View Thread
Posted by Pauline on 6/15/00 at 21:06
Scott,
I have several boxes now since my family vacationed in Germany. I'll
try to have my neighbor read the box for ingretients. In the mean
time there is a small lab in Grand Rapids Mi called Jamark Laboratories 4345 Scwkaw Dr. N.E. They manufacture and distribute a cream for one of my Drs. Maybe they will take this one on? Their phone number is 616 447-0448 P.S. There is no insert in the box.

Message Number 24390

Re: Ibuprofen creme View Thread
Posted by Sharie on 8/01/00 at 19:57
John H, this isn't about Ibuprofen Cream, but I just wanted to say you seem like such a nice and caring person... thanks for being here on the board.

Sharie

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Message Number 25943

MIA- Healing(long) View Thread
Posted by dfeet on 8/21/00 at 16:42
Hi, all. I know it's been a while, but I thought I'd share an update on my "progress". I must say I'm better than when the onset of the PF and TTS initially ocurred. Not 100%, but managing to regain some "normalcy". Excuse my get to the point take on the whole affair, but as some of my previous posts(long ago) stated-most everyone I kow is sick of asking and hearing about my feet, that I've acquired a no-nonsense response. Here are some of the things that have helped me along the way to healing:
Attitude(healing is a progression,a slow methodical climb)-positive and surround yourself with positive people
Do what you can, not necessarily what you want(I want to play 3 hours of tennis today. I can play a half hour.)
Listen to your body and that little voice that says"Stop, I've had enough"
GET GOOD PEOPLE WORKING TO HELP YOU HEAL-seek out good professionals, and change if your little voice tells you to
More specifically......
Socks- I find Thorlo has great cushioning
Shoes- My husband is almost embarassed at how long I take to buy a pair of shoes. When I find a good Pair, I buy as many as I can-currently, Merrel Jungle Mocs-lots of cushioning, good stability and
Scarpa Delta Hikers- a bit expensive, but I don't have to wear orthotics
NightSplints-every night
Ibuprofen and Ibuprofen Cream
Ice
Physical Therapy and a great PT!
This message board
These are the biggies, and I know I left some things out. But let me say this about REST. I did not include it on my healing list because I really didn't, couldn't incorporate it into my lifestyle at this time. But I'm certain that if given the opportunity and luxury of resting, that My healing would have progressed more rapidly. One's body is communicating when an injury occurs to Slow Down or else. Well, I guess I fall into the "or else". REST is under utilized as a powerful healing tool. Ok, off my soapbox. See Ya-dfeet

Message Number 26172

to salina-sorry about the delay in response! View Thread
Posted by dfeet on 8/24/00 at 22:23
Hi, salina.
Sorry to hear about your cramping. It's the pits! I had it for about three months straight--I did not have one full night's sleep, and I was pretty miserable. Even while wearing night splints, my feet would go into spasm,esp. my right foot, and I would literally scream out loud. As far as rating my pain from one to ten, at the onset of my affliction, I would have to rate it a ten. I must admit, and I'm not boasting in any way, but I've been told by various docs that I have a very high threshold for pain. I've had multiple corticosteroid injections in various locations, and local surgeries without any difficulty(my doc was funny as he tried to conceal the injections, but commented that I was so "stoic and did not flinch"). No, I am not a masochist. It's just that the injections were "cake" compared to the pain I had been suffering.
I am now oscillating on the pain rating of a range of 5-8. This is not so bad, because about 8mos. ago when I'd get home from work all I could do was pack my feet in ice bags, keep my pain to myself(my husband was and is so sick of my situation),cry to myself, take 1200mg of Ibuprofen, rub Ibuprofen Cream on my feet, strap my night splints on , and go to bed.
Now, my routine is a bit different. Ive weaned myself off the night splints(sometimes I put them on if i'm having a really bad day), take 600-800mg IB and rub IB cream before I go to bed. I still use ice, again, if I have a really bad day. I'm trying to become more active as I used to be, although there are definite limitaitions.
One must listen to his/her body. I didn't and I paid a terrible price,and am still paying. I've come to terms with the idea that my condition seems to have taken the chronic road. "Chronic" meaning there really isn't a cure. Coping is the key. I'm better. And I hope that yourself and others will be,too. -dfeet

Message Number 32574

Intra-Sonic/footloose in Berlin View Thread
Posted by Julie F on 11/12/00 at 07:27

Message Number 32575
Re: Does Ibuprofen Cream help? View Thread
Posted by Julie F on 11/12/00 at 07:30

Scott, I've occasionally used Ibuprofen gel, which is available OTC here in England, and which I assume is the same as the cream. It has had no noticeable effect for me, whereas I find Ibuprofen tablets, which I use very occasionally, effective.

Message Number 32622

Re: Does Ibuprofen Cream help? View Thread
Posted by Anna J on 11/12/00 at 17:35

Scott - Ibuprofen gel is one of the various things I have tried to combat the foot pain. However, all it did for me was make my foot itch! The tablets are better, if a little on the expensive side (GP forgot to mention they were cheaper OTC!). One of the things that has brought me (momentary) relief is alternating a bag of frozen peas and a hot water bottle on the foot.
Any advice on whether I should rest the foot or try to keep walking on it. When I rest it, the pain on standing up again tends to be worse than before I sat down!
Anna

Message Number 32699

Re: Does Ibuprofen Cream help? View Thread
Posted by Julie F on 11/14/00 at 01:29

Anna, please don't walk through the pain. Walk when you absolutely need to, and rest when you don't. Again, read the PF book. My very good luck was to discover this site early on in my PF 'career', and to learn from it that walking or running through the pain has caused many cases to become longterm and chronic. Do be careful: PF is an injury and like any injury needs rest and time in order to heal. During the resting/healing period non weight-bearing strengthening exercises are needed so that the muscles don't weaken through lack of activity.

Pain that is worse after sitting is, like first-thing-in-the-morning pain, one of the classic signs of PF. Spend a few moments stretching before you stand up. Gentle dorsiflexion/plantar flexion (bending the foot backwards and forwards), curling and spreading the toes, gently circling the foot at the ankle, as long as they don't hurt, will help you avoid that intense pain on standing. Once you get up, just stand still for a bit before walking off. I and others have found that this helps.

Message Number 32857

PF - Accupuncture or accupresure Treatment View Thread
Posted by James W on 11/16/00 at 13:53
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Dear Sir, I've just visited your web site for the first time and found it very helpful. I've had a heel spur (confirmed by X-Ray) on my left foot for about 7 months now and although it's not worse it's not any better either. I've been using a heel cushion with hole for about a week and am still waiting to see any improvement. Prior to that I was using Spenco Insoles (both feet) but no hole in the left one. I've also been doing stretching and initially I tried physiotherapy: ultrasound, magnetic resonance and hot and cold baths with little or no improvement and even that was very temporary, from a few hours to a day. My question is whether or not accupuncture or accupressure has been found to give any long-lasting relief from pain as mine is almost continual although mine is low level pain. I'm unable to use ant-inflammatory pills as I have twice had ulcerative colitis. I also note from your web site that the German Ibuprofen Cream Dolgel gel seems to be effective and would like to have your comments on that.
Many thanks, James

Message Number 35523

Re: 4 Months Post-Surgery, Just Hurts After Walking Over 20 Minutes View Thread
Posted by Darrel H on 12/28/00 at 18:26
Eve, I had the same surgery 5 weeks ago and I only have discomfort for the first few steps in the mornings. I did purchase the german Ibuprofen Cream that is offered over this site. I've used it just a few times but I think that so far is seems to be helping. If it does not I'll let yall know.

Message Number 35527

Re: 2 surgeries and still hurting View Thread
Posted by Darrel H on 12/28/00 at 18:56
Suzy, sounds like some nerves were disturbed. My doctor did a partial release on my left using the orthoscopic technique. I have NO scars. He also did something to the tops of my middle three toes to prevent them from rideing or sticking up too far as a result of the plantar facaciitttsss being cut. I'm sorry I have forgotten the exact name to this procedure but it seems he made a single incision about a millimeter on the top of the foot just behind the toes and released some of the ligiment or whatever, anyway, my toes don't hurt or appear abnormal. Its been 5 weeks now and my foot is virtually out of pain. I did buy the german Ibuprofen Cream on this site and so far so gooooooood. Hope this helps. Is it too late to have your procedure over using this orthoscopic method?

Message Number 35755

6wks post EPF & Ibuprofen Cream View Thread
Posted by Darrel H on 1/01/01 at 09:42
Happy New Yew to all, My partial PF release has been a great success. I reported a few days ago that I had recently received the German Ibuprofen Cream. I have been using it for 2 wks now and I would recommend it. The swelled knot like mass under my heel is now gone. I really believe the cream has helped. Right now I am in no pain and am able to work, walk, stand. The Reebock brand walking shoe with the "DMX" sole has also been a great relief. Rockport makes a nice dress shoe with the DMX walking system in it also. I'll not make further entries to this site unless I have a very remarkable event to report. Thanks heelspurs.com, this site was a great help to me and my rcovery process. All are welcome to e-mail me. Thanks bye!!!!

Message Number 35851

Re: Very bad heel spurs View Thread
Posted by Dr. Zuckerman on 1/03/01 at 11:53
Hi,

Some pf suffers state that Ibuprofen Cream has given them relief. I believe it is under the products section on the home page. If not go to the search engine and look up this topic . Alot of information contained on this web site related to this topic and this topical medication

Message Number 35920

Re: 6wks post EPF & Ibuprofen Cream View Thread
Posted by David on 1/04/01 at 16:09
I've had 2 EPF's on my right foot and one on my left with no relief. I too have tried the Ibuprofen Cream, again, no luck. I'm happy for you!

Message Number 36103

Should I consider surgery? View Thread
Posted by Lori B on 1/07/01 at 19:48
I have suffered with PF for seven years. I didn't know what my heel pain was until 4 years ago. I have been diagnosed with heel spurs and PF and have tried Ibuprofen 800 3x/day for inflammation, having my feet taped, custom orthotics, Birkenstock shoes, stretching, icing the heel and rest. I have not done the cortisone shots because I hear they hurt horribly and they don't seem to help for long periods. They certainly are not a cure. My pain is constant, but the severity varies depending on how much I am on my feet. I am not opposed to surgery, but after reading some of the messages on this board, I wonder if that would help or not, or might it make the problem worse? My question is, have I tried all avenues open to me, or should I seek further remedies short of surgery to alleviate the problem? And if so, what would be the next remedy I should try? Night splints, Ibuprofen Cream, a different orthotic? Please advise.

Message Number 36592

Re: heel pain View Thread
Posted by Nancy N on 1/14/01 at 08:32
Betty--

If you go to https://heelspurs.com/cream.html you should see people's comments about the Ibuprofen Cream. There's a link to ordering information at the bottom of that page. You could also try searching on "Ibuprofen Cream" on the main message board page. If you try it, let us know how it works for you.

Message Number 36630

Re: heel pain View Thread
Posted by Kate on 1/15/01 at 08:44
Betty,
Several of our patients have tried the Ibuprofen Cream, however, I have not heard anyone staking any great claims about effect.
You can get more information about this cream on the heelspurs.com homepage by clicking on the item icon.
Although the product is sold without a prescription, please be sure to check with your physician before using this or any other topical products.

Kate Jurman]
ESWT Coordinator

Message Number 36921

Re: heel pain View Thread
Posted by Julie on 1/20/01 at 06:30
Betty, I tried the Ibuprofen Cream (actually, it comes as a gel in Europe) and found it of no help.

Julie

Message Number 36998

Ibuprofen Cream for plantar faschitis View Thread
Posted by Sue,RN,BSN on 1/21/01 at 09:56
I just got some Ibuprofen Cream for my long-standing plantar fascitis. I
am also going to physical therapy and doing stretching, etc. I am not
sure how to use the cream because it is all written in German!!! I was
thinking that twice a day would be okay. Does that sound good to you?

Message Number 37002

Re: Ibuprofen Cream for plantar faschitis View Thread
Posted by scott r on 1/21/01 at 14:02
I would think as often as you want would be safe. here are some instructions:

https://plus37.safe-order.net/heelspurs/a/ibu/directions.html

Message Number 37003

Re: Ibuprofen Cream for plantar faschitis View Thread
Posted by Julie on 1/21/01 at 14:12
Sue, the instructions on my packet of Ibuleve (Ibuprofen gel as supplied in the UK) say 'Lightly apply a thin layer over the affected area. Massage gently untilm absorbed. Wash hands after use...re-apply as required, up to twice more dails or as instructed by your doctor.'

Message Number 37160

Re: Ibuprofen Cream for plantar faschitis View Thread
Posted by KenC on 1/23/01 at 18:01
Sue. As a sufferer of PF for over 3 years now I would be interested in learning where and how you got this Ibuprofen Cream and if it works. Please let me know. Thank you, KenC.

Message Number 38713

Severe pain since surgery View Thread
Posted by Lana R on 2/11/01 at 21:03
I had EPF surgery on 10-31-2000 and my pain has been alot worse than before the surgery. My pod has tried taping for 3 weeks, iontophoresis 5 times, ultrasound 8 times, physical therapy stretching and whirlpool, Ibuprofen Cream, and I'm back to wearing a boot during the day and a night splint at night. My HMO refuses to pay for ESWT because I just had the surgery. I'm getting really depressed about the whole situation. Does anyone have any suggestions? Doctors? Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Message Number 44732

HALLUX LIMITUS AND PF View Thread
Posted by NIELS L on 4/16/01 at hrmin
DEAR DOCTOR Z - AND ANYONE ELSE WHO MIGHT HELP ME.....

1. ABOUT MYSELF:

I AM A 34 YEAR OLD MALE WHO HAS SUFFERED FROM PF SINCE JAN 2000.PREVIOUSLY I HAD PF FROM APR TO JULY 1999, WHERE IT SUDDENLY DISAPPEARED BY "ITSELF", BUT THIS TIME I CANT GET RID OF IT.

I AM NOT OVERWEIGHT AND I HAVE A DESK JOB (LAWYER). I HAVE TAKEN AMITRIPTYLIN FROM 1996 TO MARCH 2000 DUE TO ARTHRISIS I MY UPPER BACK(ANY CONNECTION TO AMITRIPTYLIN ?)

MY HEEL PAIN BEGAN AFTER A 6 MONTHS PERIOD OF WEEKLY HARD HOUSE AND GARDEN WORK (BECAUSE I BOUGHT AN OLD HOUSE THAT NEEDED A LOT OF FIXING, PAINT, GARDEN WORK ETC.)

I HAVE BEEN EXAMINED BY MANY DOCTORS, MOST OF THEM TERRIBLY IGNORANT, AND ARROGANT AS WELL. X-RAYS OF MY HEELS WERE TAKEN IN JULY 1999 AND IN JULY 2000. A VERY LITTLY SPUR WAS DETECTED ON THE RIGHT HEEL.

I HAVE BEEN TOLD I HAVE A HIGH ARCH.

2. MY SYMPTHOMS:

IT IS OFTEN DIFFICULT TO POINT OUT EXACTELY WHERE THE PAIN IS. OFTEN I CAN
NOT FIND ANY PARTICULARLY SORE SPOTS WHEN PRESSING WITH MY FINGERS.

THE PAIN IS MOSTLY AT AND NEAR BY THE "HEEL SPUR PLACE", BUT IT ALSO MOVES AROUND, ESPECIALLY TO THE PLANTAR AND PLACES BEHIND MY TOES.

NORMALLY MY HEELPAIN IS NOT WORST IN THE MORNING.

I HAVE PF IN BOTH FEET, BUT IT IS MUCH WORSE IN MY RIGHT FOOT.

I AM UNABLE TO STAND OR WALK WITHOUT PAIN. OFTEN THERE IS ALSO PAIN WHEN SITTING OR LYING IN BED, ARISING FROM THE PART OF MY FOOT THAT TOUCHES THE SURFACE.

3. HALLUX LIMITUS:

I ALSO HAVE HALLUX LIMITUS. ONE DOCTOR (OF THE MANY I HAVE BEEN EXAMINED BY) TOLD ME IN AUGUST 2000 THAT I HAVE HALLUX LIMITUS IN MY BOTH BIG TOES. HE SAID THAT THE TOES COULD ONLY BENT UPWARDS APP 25-30 DEGREES. NO X-RAY WAS TAKEN.

FURTHER THE DOCTOR TOLD ME THAT MY HALLUX LIMITUS PROBABLY IS BOTH THE CAUSE MY PF AND FURTHER MAKES IT EVEN MORE DIFFICULT TO GET RID OF MY PF.

THE HALLUX LIMITUS HAS STARTED TO GIVE ME PAIN IN THE BIG TOE JOINTS, BUT THIS IS -AT THE MOMENT (?)- NOT AS HURTING AS MY PF.

4. PREVIOUS ACTIONS:

A.ACCUPUNCTURE.HELPED MAYBE.CONSIDERING TO REASSUME.

B.MASSAGE OF THE CALF MUSCLES.HELPS -BUT NOT AT ALL CURES-TEMPORARILY (1 OR 2 DAYS)

C.STRECHING BY STANDING ON STAIRCASES OR BOOKS.MADE IT WORSE, I BELIEVE.

D.CURLING A TOWEL WITH MY TOES.ONLY A FEW TIMES, AS I FELT PAIN GOT WORSE

E.VIOXX.MAYBE HELPED FOR 1-2 WEEKS, THEN APPERENTLY NO EFFECT

F.Ibuprofen Cream. ?

G.TAPENING.NO EFFECT OR VERY LITTLE.DONT LIKE IT

H.HEEL LIFTS. NO EFFECT, I THINK

I.CUSTOM ORTHOTICS. FULL LENGTH AND HARD WITH SOFT PAD IN HEEL.FELT GOOD AT FIRST, BUT AFTER 1 MONTH MY CONDITION GOT AS BAD AS EVER AND THE PAIN MOVED TO MY PLANTARS. WHEN I STOPPED USING THEM, THE PIAN WAS REDUCED AND THE PAIN MOVED BACK TO THE HEEL (PRIMARILY)

J.ICE. NO EFFECT

K.SOFT, FLAT FULL LENGHT SOLES IN MY SHOES.MAY BE BETTER THAN NOTHING

L.SWIMMING. GIVES GOOD RELIEF

M:REST. I FEEL THAT REST HAS DONE ME NO GOOD AT ALL. I BELIEVE I HAVE RESTED VERY MUCH: FOR MORE THAN 9 MONTHS WITHOUT IMPROVEMENT. I HAVE EVEN RECENTLY BEEN IN BED FOR 10 DAYS (DUE TO SURGERY IN EAR FOR OTOSCLEROSIS), ALSO WITHOUT ANY IMPROVEMENT.

N.SHOTS. A SERIES OF 3 SHOTS.ONLY LITTLE IMPROVEMENT AND ONLY FOR A FEW WEEKS.

SUMMING UP: MASSAGE AND SVIMMING IS OK, BUT FAR FROM ANY CURE. I HAVE ORDERED -BUT NOT YET RECEIVED- THE FOOT TRAINER.

5. MY NEXT ACTION:

THE STRAW I AM CLUTCHING AT RIGHT NOW -APART FROM YOUR REPLY TO THIS MAIL- IS THE FOOT TRAINER, MAYBE COMBINED WITH GENTLE STRECHING OF THE CALF MUSCLES AND GENTLE MASSAGE OF MY PLANTARS.

6. QUESTIONS:

A.IN MY SITUATION, WHAT SHOULD I DO TO GET CURED FROM MY PF ? ANY SPECIAL ADVISE DUE TO MY HALLUX LIMITUS ? WHAT IS YOUR COMMENT TO "MY NEXT ACTION" ?

B.I HAVE THIS THESIS: MY HALLUX LIMITUS HAS NOT ONLY TRIGGERED MY PF. IT ALSO CONTINUES (FOR EVEREY STEP I TAKE) TO CAUSE EXTRA STRESS AND INFLAMATION ON MY PLANTARS. THEREFORE CURE OF MY PF IS ONLY POSSIBLE (OR LIKELY) IF MY HALLUX RIGIDUS IS "ELIMINATED" (BY WAY OF CORRECTLY PERFORMED SURGERY I SUPPOSE).

IS MY THESIS CORRECT ? DO YOU KNOW OF ANY CASES WHERE SURGERY OF HALLUX LIMITUS HAS HAD POSITIVE EFFECT ON PF ? NEGATIVE EFFECT ?

C.I AM SERIOUSLS CONSIDERING ESWT. HOWEVER, THAT PROVIDES I CAN FIND ANY PLACE I DENMARK (A COUNTRY NORTH OF GERMANY WHERE I LIVE) WHERE ESWT IS PERFORMED. IS ESWT LIKELY TO HELP IN MY SITUATION ?

''''''''''''''''

THANK YOU FOR HELPING SO MANY PF SUFFERES.

NIELS L

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Message Number 55128

DMSO etc View Thread
Posted by Kelly C on 8/01/01 at hrmin
Hello, all,

1st post to this message board...thanks, Scott for putting up such an incredible wealth of information about pf on the web!

I'm on my 4th case of pf in about 16 years. I like to run, and that has led to getting pf every few years. I thought I knew how to keep running and avoid re-injury, but I waited too long to get new shoes. BAM, re-injured. Left foot this time.

Last time I had pf, about 5 years ago, stretching and icing my foot took care of the problem after a few weeks. Same with the previous occurrence.

This time, the ice and stretching don't seem to help nearly as much. I got impatient today and went to the local pet and tack supply store, bought a pint of 99% DMSO. Took it home, diluted it down to roughly 70% using distilled water. The online dmso reference I read indicated that 70% was a good concentration. Cleaned my hand and foot well, then rubbed some DMSO solution on with a gauze pad.

Nothing. I expected to have garlic breath immediately, but didn't. I also expected to notice some change in my foot pain, but didn't. That was about an hour ago, and I still haven't noticed any effect.

Maybe I have really small pores! Hehe...I have two tubes of the Dolgit Ibuprofen Cream, and that has been somewhat effective, but I'm not really sure.

Years ago, I tried some topical NSAID creme that used diclofenac (a friend bought it in Switzerland) and that seemed to be quite a bit more effective than the Dolgit creme. Not sure why that would be!

I'm going to try the technique of crushing some ibuprofen or aspirin and dissolving it in the DMSO, but I don't have high hopes. If the DMSO were crossing my skin, then I would notice the garlic breath, right?

Looking forward to discussions with other pf sufferers. I do know that it can be cured, I've been there before!

-Kelly in Madison WI

Message Number 55205

Re:I am not sure View Thread
Posted by Andrea R. on 8/02/01 at 10:51
Tammie,

I saw my doc today because I've been having pain on the side of my foot too. I'm 10 weeks post-op. He feels it is the foot adjusting to supporting the arch without the entire PF. He told me to take naproxin and continue icing the area (which definitely does help).

I find it gets worse over the course of the day. I also find alternating between my New Balance walkers with orthotics, to my Birks helps too. I also ice the side of my foot and use Ibuprofen Cream.

If it gets worse we will discuss going to PT for iontophoresis or putting on a cast for a while.

All the best.

Andrea

Message Number 55974

Re: Going to the Podiatrist View Thread
Posted by Ed Davis, DPM on 8/08/01 at hrmin
night splints may help if your plantar fascia and achilles is tight--discuss that with your podiatrist. Possibly an adjustment or upgrade to your orthotics. Dolgit cream which is the Ibuprofen Cream mentioned on this site works better than aspercream. The shoes you wear can influence the effect of your orthotics by about 25% up or down. If you can wear running shoes most of the time consider the Brooks Beast (for men), Brooks Ariel (for women), New Balance 1121 or ASICS Gel MC+ V
Ed

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Message Number 58818

Re: jade 168 balm View Thread
Posted by Ed Davis, DPM on 9/02/01 at 14:50
Chris:
I have read your page. Congratulations on twins. When were they born? I had twin girls born Jan. 4, 1999.

I still have to disagree about the pathogenesis of plantar fasciitis/ heel spur syndrome. Despite differences of opinion on the pathogenesis we both see plantar fasciitis as an inflammatory condition. I am less than enthusiastic about oral anti-inflammatories (NSAIDs) and prefer local anti-inflammatories such as Dolgit (Ibuprofen Cream). I realize that a number of natural substances have anti-inflammatroy action and am curious if you have any specific info. on Jade 138 as a topical anti-inflammatory agent or if it has an effect on collagen deposition/remodeling. If so, are you using it on other parts of the body with success?
Ed

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Message Number 42878

Re: Newbie With Same Problem! / Hi and Thanks everybody!! View Thread
Posted by Donna M. on 3/28/01 at 22:52
Thanks so much for all the advice!! I found the PF Book and I have printed it. Looks like from what I've gotten to read it has some really good advice and information in it.
To answer some of the questions: I have had PF for about 9 months. I have gotten 2 injections which have seemed to make it worse, rather than better! I just completed a 4 week therapy program and I am the same as I was before I started therapy. I still do the exercises everyday and stretches religiously!! I have learned about 3 different ways to wrap my foot. Of course the most complicated, that takes the most tape, feels the best. But I have to use 1 inch tape, which is next to impossible to find, and I can't buy it from the therapy center I go to.
I don't work outside the home, but am (WAS) a very active grandmother of one 2-1/2 year old grandson, a 2 year old granddaughter, with another granddaughter due July 2! This PF mess sure does create lifestyle changes,and not for the better!!
I also have several different types of arch supports, heel lifts, etc. I even ordered the Ibuprofen Cream. It doesn't seem to help my foot, but it does help sore muscles(from having to walk weird!!)and arthritis. So the money was well spent!
I'll just keep reading, iceing, massaging, stretching and go start buying different shoes to see if they help!
Again thanks for all the info and concern and I'll keep watching and reading!! Donna

Message Number 52544

Re: Nancy - an open MRI? View Thread
Posted by Andrea R. on 7/09/01 at 12:12
Nancy,

We're practically neighbors. I live just outside Portsmouth, NH. When you need advanced medical care around here they either send you to Maine Medical or somewhere in Boston. It has a great reputation.

The biggest thing I was told about my shoulder was when the doctor recommends exercises do them. I know your not at this point but hopefully will be soon. I think they know more about shoulders than they do feet. If you happen to have Ibuprofen Cream, rub it into your shoulder.

Andrea

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